MICRO-GROOVE
HM WEDGES
Classic Tear-drop Profile Shape with the most versatile sole design in the game…
Features:
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The popular HM Series wedges feature a unique custom sole grind to increase playability for more types of wedge shots
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Zero Bounce heel grind removes the bounce from the heel end of the sole for more consistency when the face is opened to hit finesse and cut shots
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Front sole Knock Down grind allows golfers to more easily play low, driving, hands forward shots without digging the leading edge into the ground
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Center to rear sole grind offers conventional bounce for normal shots from all lie conditions
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Beautiful pearl NiCr plated finish over the 8620 carbon steel body offers a soft feel with a long lasting appearance. Available in RH in 52* AW, 56* SW and 60* LW
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Tom – can you tell me about this 58 degree Micro Groove HM on ebay?
Wishon Micro-Groove HM 58 Wedge Head | eBay
I don’t see any 58 degree specs on the Wishon site
Thanks!
JON
2014 was the last year that we had the 58* model in the HM Series wedges. Not enough demand for it so it went by the wayside to leave the HM Series with the usual makeup of 52, 56 and 60. The 58 was 296g headweight, 12* bounce, 2mm low offset (same as the others), same toe height/heel height/blade length as the 56. So it was just the 56 sand wedge but with 2* more loft.
TOM
Tom,
Thanks for all the info and help you provide here on the site.
Was looking at that random 58* with crazy notion of then also getting the 52* and maybe bending to 54* to fit in with the 50* 771CSI AW – vs. 309hcg 55* and 60*
Thinking the knock down grind on the HM might let me get a lot more use from 30-70 yd high hcp amateur no man’s land.
The moment I clicked send I knew I should have scrolled below and reviewed previous answers – I see you addressed this before and recommended: “it probably would be better for you to turn the 56 into the 54″ – tons of info on here and thanks again for your time in addressed all these questions and providing the best product info in the industry.
Tom,
Did the 58 degree HM wedge have the zero bounce heel and front sole knockdown grind?
I made this club for my brother in 2014 which he still uses but an upgrade could be in order.
DAVE
The HM Series wedges were always designed with the zro-bounce heel as part of the overall sole design.
TOM
I was wondering if the leading edge grind on he HM wedges would make it more difficult to hit open faced shots than with a wedge without the leading soul grind. It seems to me that the increased leading edge bounce would raise the leading edge off the ground more making it harder to slide the club under the ball. I do like the HM for hitting low driving shots but have been struggling more with open faced shots than I used to. (Is it the tool or the craftsman? 🙂
ED No, not really. Think about it. When you open the face of a wedge, the REAR of the sole is now what touches the ground far more than the middle or front. This naturally happens because of the PRIMARY bounce sole angle on the head – meaning the bounce from middle to back on the sole. So when you roll the face open, the leading edge ALWAYS is elevated off the ground. Hence any different type of grind on the front of the sole has no effect on the shot. The purpose of the increased leading edge bounce is… Read more »
Thanks. Great explanation!
Tom,
I just received my new 585 irons. Since there is no 3 iron in the set I’m adding another wedge
I currently have a 52 and 56 vokey. I have the 585 A wedge so wanted to add 54 and 58. Since you have 52, 56 and 60 what do you advise.
‘Also, how important is it to have the same shafts on my wedges as I have on my irons?
Hello Tom
I have come to love the HM wedges.
I live the leading edge and the zero heel grinds in them
Was the leading edge grind always a feature of the HM wedges?
I seem to recall that the leading edge grind was incorporated only recently, not from the inception of HM model.
George
The HM Series wedges owe their sole grind to a special limited edition presentation of wedges that we did several years ago. After I did the Ltd Edition design, I decided to incorporate that same sole grind into a new wedge family that became the HM Series.
TOM
Hi Tom, I have a friend who’s interested in a 52 and 56 deg wedges to fill gap between his current 48AW and 60 degree. I’ve played the HM wedges for several years, love the club and recommend them. He wants lower bounce in the 56 degree wedge. He uses his 60 degree for all sand shots. The 56 would be a fairway club. What are your thoughts on having Diamond bend a 60 deg HM wedge 4 degrees stronger ? The bounce would then be 6 degrees. I’m questioning how the club would look related to the offset after… Read more »
DAVE I have never been a fan of bending the loft of any iron or wedge by as much as 4*. That much of a bend causes a marked, visible change in the offset and the base of the hosel that to me, makes the wedge look odd in the address position. When you bend stronger, you increase offset and a 4* stronger bend would increase the offset by around 2.5mm – which would be a lot to the look of the head in the playing position. Bends for loft should IMO be kept to not more than 2*. At… Read more »
Hi Tom, Recently purchased 3 of these wedges from Kevin in Galway, IRL and can easily say they are the best wedges I’ve ever played! For my full swing, I find that I have lost approx. 6-7 yards when compared to previous wedges (Vokey SM7). My 55 degree SM7 would fly 98-100 yards but I struggle to break 93-95 yards with the HMs. I feel like I am swinging at an almost identical speed and tempo but the ball seems to “jump” up off the face a touch more with the HMs. I have also switched wedge shafts. I used… Read more »
Jeremiah Your analysis of the situation with the HM wedges sounds logical and right. The HM could be generating more spin which is creating a little higher flight with a little more “drag” in the air as the shot flies (more spin always = more friction with the air; more height can reduce carry distance) – that could be the distance difference. But to know 100% for sure would require you hitting the old and HM wedges on an accurate launch monitor so you could have accurate data to compare for clubhead speed, launch angle, spin and shot height. As… Read more »
Tom,
Thank you for the suggestion of bending up one degree at a time, I didn’t think that one degree in one wedge might be different to another. I will take the time to test this thoroughly. All the best!
Jeremiah
Tom,
I bought the HM Wedges this year and I love them! Great feel and spin control. But I was also lucky enough to find myself a used set of your black limited wedges, which I will have Hans Agardh fit me for. My question is what the difference is between the two wedge sets, besides the obvious color. I do prefer the black color but it seems like the shape are a bit different, but ever so little.
Would appreciate your feed back.
Best,
Johan
Johan I am really pleased to hear that you are working with Hans! I have had the chance to know him over the past several years when he was working with Peter Qvarfordt to distribute Wishon Golf products to custom clubmakers in Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries. Now that Hans is working more in the area of directly fitting golfers, I am pleased because this means more players will have the chance to experience what a proper fitting is like and how it can help them enjoy the game more. I think the biggest difference between the HM Series… Read more »
Thanks for your reply but I might have been a bit unclear in my question. I didn’t mean the PCF wedges but your Black limited wedges which was made in only 250 pieces. They look a lot like the HM series but if I’m not wrong they seem to have a little less Bounce and visually less round profile. I’m just curious what differences there is between HM series and your limited black wedges. I’ll say hello to Hans from you. He is a great guy and very knowledgeable when it comes to fitting. I recommend him to everyone asking… Read more »
JOHAN
My fault, I am sorry I misunderstood your request. The limited edition wedges are virtually the same as the HM Series. Actually I did the limited edition wedges first and then I liked them so much I did the design in a normal finish for a regular catalog model. So in reality the two are very much the same design with the special dark finish and face scorelines being different is all. Thanks so much for your interest and your support, I appreciate that very much!!
TOM
Tom, I have been playing with Sterling for 3 years. Love them. As compared to day CBX2 wedged. I want to stay with you. I currently have your 3 year old wedges. Made by Stan in Marin. What would you recommend. I currently have a 60, 56, 50 and 45. What should I do. Thank you, Marty
MARTY I would make a lousy sales and marketing guy because I have always felt “if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it”!!! so in short, if the wedges and irons are performing well and you’re not experiencing any problems in recent play, I can’t see making a change just to make a change. But then that’s me. Since starting my company 18 yrs ago I think I personally have changed something in my bag three times in total. Best advice I can offer is to go out to McInnis and talk to Stan and ask him to evaluate… Read more »
Tom, it’s kind of hard to see from the pictures, but does this wedge have a “V” sole design? Like the srixon irons, the edel driver grind wedges, or vokey V grind? It looks like it is v shaped, but I wanted to be sure.
Justin The very front center of the sole is ground to have more bounce than the back part of the sole, so this makes the sole have a bit of a peak so to speak, in the center of the sole in a direction from toe to heel. Then on the heel side of the sole the bounce is removed in what we have called a zero bounce heel grind. I do that so when players roll the face open to hit a cut/finesse shot from short mown grass, the leading edge does not rise up as far off the… Read more »
I have played the v grind vokey and sold them because the
wishons are so much better through the turf and out of the sand and especially off of hard pan. even better than ping glide. i play to a +1 hdcp if that mean anything. you won’t be disappointed. one caviate. the microgrove wishons are a bit light. check specs. but still the best wedge i have had in my 45 years of golfing
P 771CSI bitte um Loftangabe (45 ?? )
Russ
Der Loftwinkel des Modells 771 PW beträgt 46 Grad. Wir hoffen, dass dies hilfreich ist. Wenn Sie weitere Fragen zu unseren Designs oder zu technischen Fragen im Zusammenhang mit Golfschlägern haben, wenden Sie sich bitte an uns,
TOM
Do these have the same circular milling on the face as the PCF tour wedges? Or do the have the same milling on the face as the PCF micro tour wedges?
CAL
The HM series wedges have horizontal lazer milling lines that are parallel to and in between the CNC machined scorelines. This is not a circular milling pattern such as on the other PCF wedges. In honesty, the circular milling is more rough and aggressive than the lazer milling so if increasing spin is the #1 reason for looking at a new wedge model, the circular milling will spin the ball a little more.
TOM
Yes I would like to know if these wedge heads come in lefthanded and what degrees thank you
MIKW
The PCF Nicro Pro wedges are available in LH in all three lofts of 52, 56 and 60. The HM Series and the PCF Platinum and PCF wide sole are not available in left hand in any of the lofts.
TOM
Can I still buy the HM wedges? I love my 54 & 58 but don’t see new ones anywhere…
RICK
The HM Series wedges are still in the product line with no changes to any of the models. Ordering is through Diamond Golf International since I went into semi retirement in 2016 so they can take care of your clubmaking needs. Toll free 844-552-3437 or online.
TOM
Hi Tom, it looks like the hosel of the HM wedge (and perhaps PCF) is “coned” or has had a countersink applied. I’d like to install a graphite shaft in this wedge and want to make sure the graphite shaft has some protection from breakage.
Thanks in advance
GARTH
Every one of my clubhead models, regardless if you are talking driver to wedge head is coned by the production factory to provide a cushion of epoxy to help add to protecting graphite shafts from stress with the top of the hosel. It does not eliminate all possibility of that because there are several other factors involved, but it certainly is done professionally to offer what the industry considers to be the proper cushion of epoxy during installation of the shaft. With this standard coning, you do not need to do any additional work for proper shaft protection.
TOM
Hi Tom,
I will be buying 771 irons and HM wedges in the next few months. I have decided to have the 50* AW from the 771 irons. I would like to have a 54* SW and a 58* LW. I really like the concept of the front sole grind as I do hit a lot of chips/knockdown shots with my wedges. Knowing that, would it be better to decrease loft on the HM sand and lob wedges or increase loft on the HM gap and sand wedges?
Thanks much.
BILL: Thanks much for your interest and for your wanting more info on your upcoming iron and wedge selections. We’re always happy to help. I would say that even based on the fact that you do hit a lot of chips and knock downs now, which means you are more used to having much more of a hands ahead, deloft presentation of the clubhead to the ball, it probably would be better for you to turn the 56 into the 54 and the 60 into the 58. The sole angle change would only be 2* so you will still have… Read more »
Thanks Tom. So there isn’t much difference between the 8620 carbon steel and the 304 stainless steel then? It is the forged type feel I am after. I suspect the 8620 carbon steel is slightly softer. If the HMs are the more classic design I will probably go for those. I am normally Mizuno customer but they have moved their wedge designs away from the clean classic look I prefer.
Thanks for your help.
JOHN Actually in terms of the actual hardness measurement, the 304 is slightly softer than any of the carbon steels used in making clubheads. But the difference is so small that no one could actually detect that if the 304 and the 8620 are both cast. If you compare cast 304 to forged 10-series carbon steel alloys, there you would get a little difference that perhaps a few VERY experienced ball strikers could detect. But that difference would be because forging always leaves the grain structure in a more consistent isotropic condition while casting always leaves the grain structure with… Read more »
Tom.
I am looking to buy a set of 3 wedges to compliment my set of forged cavity backed irons. I also use forged 2 and 3 driving irons and looking for as much commonality across the clubs that I use. Shaft, offset, head material, grips etc. Which of your two wedge designs best compliments a forged set of irons? The Micro Groove HM or the PCF Micro Tour? It seems not many manufacturers make forged wedges for some reason and there isn’t that much choice in the market place in that regard.
JOHN: Either one of the two wedge families can match well with any of the low offset player’s types of forged carbon steel irons on the market today, or in the past. BOth the PCF and HM Series wedges are designed with the same low 2mm offset that so many of the forged iron sets possess. So that part of the look in the address position will be the same. The two models just are a tiny bit difference in their face profile shape/look, which is just going to be a personal preference decision for you. The PCF are a… Read more »
Tom,
I’m planning to purchase new irons and wedges next year. I’m looking at the 771s and the HM wedges. The A wedge is my dilemma. What factors are most important in deciding if the A wedge should match my irons or my wedges? Thanks.
BILL That is a good question you ask. It is all up to the individual taste and preference of the golfer as there is no right or wrong about whether you go with an A wedge that has the same shape and face profile as the 9 and PW in the iron set or to go with an A wedge that is part of a standalone wedge family design. If you like the look of the 9 and Pw in the set, then most would go with the A that is part of the set of irons so the look… Read more »
I love the sand and lob wedges. My only complaint is that I didn’t also buy the A wedge too before you sold to Diamond Golf and the shipping went up! Oh well, I have the 560 and 565 gap wedges, but just can’t help but wanting the HM gap wedge sitting next to his brothers in the bag.
the best LW I had ver own ! GREAT CLUB
the sole design is so clever
Hi Tom,
Thanks for your contributions to the equipment industry and, most importantly, to all the regular, passionate golfers out there (including myself) that gain a lot from the honest and knowledgable advice you happily give. I haven’t yet played any of your clubs, although… I’m about to have a set of 565 irons built up and would like wedges to match. I’m thinking the HM’s are a good bet for the mid-handicapper striving to get toward single figures? i.e., forgiveness and slightly bigger head when compared with the Micro Tour?
Thanks,
Ben.
BEN Thank you very much for your kind words. I appreciate that very much. I hate it when companies or people put the quest for money ahead of the commitment to help people first. That is nothing more than greed. And I mean, I cannot tell you how much I hate greed. So when I began to learn enough about the facts of golf club design and performance and could see how much the big companies spun tales to market their clubs to attract more sales, I had to speak up and do what I could to educate golfers about… Read more »
Hi Tom, was browsing your wedges looking for something to fit my 771 CSI’s. My Approach wedge is I believe 50 degrees and was interested in a 54 degree to match. Do you make a PCF Micro in a 54 degree?
Thanks
LEE:
The PCF Micro 52 can be easily bent to 54 and the +2* increase in bounce that comes from that is not going to ever hurt the performance or playability of the club as a gap wedge. But if you want the 54 to be a sand wedge, you can take the 56 and bend it down and the sole angle will still be 10*, which should be sufficient for use from sand.
Thanks very much for your interest !!
TOM
Is it possible to have this knockdown sole grinded onto a sterling gw/sw or even the pcf tour wedges? And what would something like that cost
KOURT
I am sorry but that is not possible because we do not have the proper electroplating facility that can fully restore the finish on the heads after grinding. Also, the heads are all finished at the production foundry and shipped to us in fully finished form, at the final head weights. To grind the soles would reduce the weight as well from what it is supposed to be in its finished spec.
The PCF wedges do have the zero bounce heel grind as a normal standard feature on all the wedge models in that line.
TOM
Does the hm wedge have the milled face like the wide sole wedges do?
KOURT The milling on the face of the HM Series wedges is a laser etch milling, done horizontally to be parallel with the actual scorelines. It is more faint than the actual CNC machined milling on the face of the PCF wedges so in all honesty you would spin the ball more with the PCF’s because that type of milling leaves the face with a higher friction coefficient to create more spin. The key feature of the HM series wedges is the sole grind which is very unusual compared to other wedges – a knock down grind on the front… Read more »
Tom, Did the original HM Series wedges have the CNC machined milling on the face? Did you change to the laser etch milling done horizontally in latter versions of the HM series wedge?
CAL The origin of the HM Series wedge design came from a special limited edition wedge design I created in winter 2015. Every 5 years I had done a limited edition special design and the first two were cavity back forged iron sets. The wedge family I did for the Ltd Edition offering in winter 2015 was the precursor to what became a full line wedge model called the HM Series. The original Ltd Edition wedges had the same HM Series sole and back design but they were made with no laser etched milling and finished in a black DBM… Read more »
Did the original HM wedges have the CNC machined milling?
CAL
The Limited Edition black finish wedges that became the genesis of the named HM Series wedges were not CNC milled. The HM series wedges in satin chrome did have CNC machining but it was the laser milling for the tiny milling in between the scorelines that was done by the CNC laser milling. There were no HM series wedges made with conventional circular shaped ridge milling as you see on a lot of other milled face wedges.
TOM
Is it possible to bend the 56 to 60 degrees? I want a 60 degree with a bigger sole angle and there aren’t really any lob wedges with that high of sole angle.
Yes for sure, any of our wedges can be bent for as much to more than a 4* change. Our PCF wedges are made from 304 stainless steel which is VERY easy to bend a lot. The HM Series wedges are cast from 8620 carbon steel which is as easy to bend as a forged carbon steel head.
TOM