771CSI IRONS
Thin Face, High COR, Variable Thickness Face in a Carbon Steel Body to Offer a Wide Range in Lie and Loft Bending for Custom Fitting
Features:
- High 0.830 COR face design offers the most distance for all golfers
- CNC Machined Variable Thickness Face delivers superb off-center hit forgiveness
- Head body material is 1020C carbon steel to allow clubmakers to perform a wide range in loft and lie bending – previously all high COR thin face designs had to be mounted in a 17-4 stainless body, which limited loft and lie fitting options
- Conventional Head Size and Shape means a wider range of golfers will like the 771CSI design
- Fully Radiused Sole Design with Rounded Leading Edge offers golfers the best playability from all types of grass as well as from the rough
- Available in RH & LH in #4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, PW, (AW RH only) in bright satin NiCr electroplated finish
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Tom
I have a full set of Wishon custom fitted golf clubs, putter to driver. However, what advice would you give me to match my clubs to the correct ball? What characterics should I be interested in? For example what number of pieces should I go for, the material of the outer layer and what compression rating?
GAVIN You’ll find me from all of my R&D work in club testing to be very critical of ball design and performance based on my findings. I have found that a ball can only affect actual shot performance when the golfer has a driver clubhead speed higher than 90mph, and typically though more like over 100mph from a totally practical standpoint. A golf ball requires a launch speed of over 125mph before any design elements of the ball can begin to influence aerodynamic flight. With a driver it takes a minimum clubhead speed of 85mph to achieve a ball speed… Read more »
Hi Tom
I have a set of your 771s and really enjoy playing them. I’m wondering if you have any thoughts on club grip selection? I have oversized grips on them now because I liked the “feel” when I first was fitted with the clubs. However, I’m considering going to “medium-sized” grips because frankly I have a better understanding of what I am doing with clubs in my hands now. Is it truly a matter of personal preference or is there something more to understand about how grips translate to performance? Thanks in advance.
GREG Grip size shall always be a personal preference of the individual golfer based strictly on what size feels the most comfortable to the player. While clubmakers can certainly do hand and finger measurements to offer a recommendation for a grip size, in no way is any measurement able to factor in what a grip FEELS like to the user. There are people who measure for a larger size grip who prefer one that is smaller just as there are people who measure for a smaller size grip and love the feel of one that is larger. The only best… Read more »
Tom, My questions are more specific to clubfitting as opposed to product or clubmaking. In researching custom fitting and clubmaking, it appears that there are two predominant groups, and a much more select third group. The first group performs detailed comprehensive fittings that utilize technology, actual hitting balls with various combinations of heads & shafts, as well as body measurements, but then builds or orders clubs principally from brand-name OEM components. The second group builds high quality custom clubs to exact specifications (true artisans), but their fitting process is limited to body measurements, questions about how the player perceives his… Read more »
Phil I complement you on your astute observations of the clubfitting industry these days. That’s pretty well thought out and on target. You only need a handful of insights that only someone who has lived through the growth of the custom fitting side of the golf equipment industry to offer to put it all together to be more clear. And since I started in this side of the industry in the late 70s and am still kicking I can pretty well provide that insight. A big reason for what let’s call the inconsistency in clubfitting is because no one person… Read more »
Tom,
Thank you so much for you in-depth and insightful reply. I sincerely appreciate you sharing your expertise and perspectives. Would you be willing to contact me via the email address that I provided in order to post? I wanted to ask a couple of specific questions about your recommendations for next steps.
Thanks,
Phil
Sure thing, happy to do so. Email from me coming to your Toro address soon.
TOM
i have a set of 771csi irons 5i thru aw, reg. steel fiber shafts. i have had these for six years and plan to update shafts, grips and would like a measurement chart. Also is there any advantage increasing the lofts 2 degrees? Thankyou
RON If you just go to this link – https://wishongolf.com/designs/iron-sets/new-771csi/ – you will be able to scroll down a small distance to see the specs chart that has all the specs for loft, lie and everything. If you increase the loft, you obviously would hit each iron higher and a little shorter so the only advantage to doing that would be, 1) if you have a very high clubhead speed to begin with but you have a very downward angle of attack that causes too low of a flight you would hit the ball a more normal height and not… Read more »
How to I order shafts and heads
Keith
If you are a custom clubmaker you are welcome to order through Diamond Golf International who are the owners now of my brand and the sole distributors of all of my product and technical designs. You can contact them through sales@wishongolf.com to set up an account. Thanks very much for your interest,
TOM
Hi Tom, I’ve seriously been considering getting a set of Wishon 771CSI irons custom fit by Paul Larson at High Plains Golf in Pincher Creek, Alberta Canada. I’ve never really calculated my exact handicap but I typically shoot anywhere from a 45 to 55 (depending on the day) on our local 9-hole, Par 37 course. So like a 90 to 110 on 18 holes roughly. I currently play PING G5 17-4 cast irons, 4-PW, steel, stiff flex with a blue dot (which I arrived at via their web fitting color code process about 10 years ago). They had standard grips… Read more »
Claire Absolutely the 771CSi irons are intended to be a game improvement iron that would be suitable for any player in search of a more forgiving iron that has a higher COR for more ball speed. I would say only players who are very good, lower handicap players with higher than average clubhead speed might want to look to a different iron model than the 771. All other golfers would be just fine when properly fit into this design. 2nd point of advise is to place your trust in Paul for your fitting needs because he does have the experience… Read more »
Hi Tom, considering purchasing a set of these fine irons or perhaps another similar set. I know personally Kevin Redfern from Pinner GC who is a renowned golf club fitter and is only a mile or so from my home. I currently play with Ping G’s. My question is, being a small guy playing off 6 handicap I don’t like heavy headed irons. What are the lightest irons in the Wishon range?
Many thanks in advance.
Raymond Thank you very much for your interest and for taking the time to stop by to ask about the irons. Always happy to help with any information. What you refer to as “heavy headness” has to do with how the clubmaker builds the iron heads into the finished set. It is not a condition built into the heads themselves on their own. Any set that is heavy headed is a condition of FEEL that happens either, 1) because the golfer has always been used to playing low swingweight clubs and just happens to trip across a set made with… Read more »
Hi Tom, I was fitted for 771CSI irons and 775HS hybrids 6 years ago and I’ve been extremely happy with them. After lots of use, they’re starting to show lots of wear and tear. I want to renew and get fit again either this season or the next. I’ve lost a bit of speed and consistency with age. I’m fine with getting 771CSI/775HS again but I’m curious if there are any successors planned? The hollow design of the EQ-1 irons sounds good but the single length setup doesn’t suit me. A few of the big brands have titanium alloy irons/taylormade,… Read more »
Frank I have had some talk with Diamond Golf who handle my product line about if there might be a time in the future when they wish me to design a follow up to the 771CSI irons. At this point no decision has been made mainly because the 771’s continue to be one of the very most popular models in my product line. Product line management sort of operates on the basis of “if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it” and a lot of the decision about whether an iron is ready to be replaced quite honestly has… Read more »
Hello Tom, 3 years ago I was fitted for a set 771 CSI irons and have enjoyed them very much. Recently, I got the impulse to buy another set of irons because they were “the best” according to all the reviews and hype. They were “fitted” to me online and I got a great price on them. When they arrived I was stoked to get to the range and do some comparisons against the 771’s. I fully expected to be blown away by the incredible distance and soft feel. Well, in total honesty and without a doubt, the fit, the… Read more »
Hello Tom,
I plan to work with Arnaud Maurin (Bordeaux – France) today I have Ping Anser 2011 with PX5.0 and I want to find more powerful and tolerant irons … I am 1.90 cm (sorry for my English I am French) and am left-handed.
What do you think of Mr Maurin?
and do the 771 csi match my needs with carbon shafts? (my speed is 86).
Thank you in advance for your return.
Cordially.
Christophe
Christophe Yes, I know Arnaud personally from the many correspondences that he and I have had in which he asks me questions about club design and clubfitting to advance his knowledge. I can tell you that very, very few clubmakers can match Arnaud’s interest and passion to know as much as he possibly can about clubfitting technology. I can verify that he is an excellent clubmaker and clubfitter and that he is one of the best in all of Europe. He will do a very good job of analyzing your swing and providing you with a high quality fitting experience.… Read more »
Hi Tom. I was fitted by Tim Mosel about two years ago for a full set but did not get new irons as Tim said my current ones were ok. I did get new woods and hybrids and one 771CSI 8 iron to replace my broken 8 iron. My irons are now 10 years old and want to replace them. Do you think I need to get refitted after two years or just have Tim make them based upon my fitting two years ago?
Thanks for the input.
ERIC Since I can rely on Tim Mosel’s fitting recommendations and fitting analysis being top notch, the way you know if you need to possibly have new fitting specs in a new set of irons is if any of these things have changed for you in the past ten years since the original fitting: a) if your clubhead speed is +5mph higher or -5mph lower than it was at the time of the previous fitting, you need to be re fit; b) if your swing path has changed from out/in to in/out or vice versa, a re fit is in… Read more »
Hi Tom, I just wanted you leave a comment concerning my recent fitting and purchase of the 771 CSI irons from Jeff Hatton in Marlow, England I made an appointment with Jeff following recommendation from two friends who had already experienced his quality service. I had previously bought a set of ‘fitted’ OEM irons from PGA Pro working in a retail outlet. After a few months playing with them my game and confidence were rock bottom. They just didn’t feel right. I never felt like a Jeff was ‘pushing’ me towards buying a new set. We merely discussed all options.… Read more »
Uk Wishon club fitters?
PAUL:
If you go to the home page of wishongolf.com, at the top of the page you will find a link for FIND A CLUBFITTER. click on it and you will be taken to a search tool that will allow you to input your address by country and town/city and the clubmakers that are closest to that location will be displayed. The search tool is international but do not put your postal code in, only your town/city and country and you’ll see the clubmakers nearest to you.
Thanks so much for your interest,
TOM
Hi Tom, What is the most forgiving irons you make with the least amount of offset.
JOE
That would be the 565MC irons. They are a slightly larger size forged carbon steel design with the deep back cavity made by CNC machining a raw blank back forging to create the deep cavity back. And the offset is a constant 2mm only through the set.
TOM
Hi Tom, I just had a fitting with Tim Mosel, who was terrific. I’m a 10.0 handicap with a 99mph driver club head speed, and 86 mph 5 iron club head speed. I’m usually straight with most low iron shots, playing McGregor Tourney’s, I believe they are cavity backs. My goal is to consistently break 80. Tim recommended either the 771CSI’s, or the 979SS’s. I gather both are game improvement irons, but would one be better for me over the other? Thanks very much in advance!
BEN I really pleased you worked with Tim because hands down he really is one of the best on the whole planet in clubfitting and I am not making that up in anyway. The iron you play, regardless of whose model it is, has to look good to YOU sitting down there behind the ball in the playing position. If there is ANYTHING about the look of an iron model behind the ball that you . If you are are not 100% OK with then you should keep looking until you see the look you want. That’s more important than… Read more »
Hi Tom, So, for probably the first time in my life, I’m doing some serious research before purchasing a set of golf clubs. Background I’m turning 40, and I have a 20 year old set of taylormades that I have been pretty happy with to be honest, but it’s time for an upgrade. I would be about a bogey golfer (playing 10-15 rounds per year the last 10 years since the kids came along and the short Canadian golf season. My kids are now getting into it more – hence the reason to finally upgrade. I have devoured your online… Read more »
SHAUN Good to hear that you’re on the verge of being able to get into the game more. Here’s hoping that your kids get hooked and like the game a lot so you have them to grow back into the game with! Now the tough part. Your observation about the statistics of clubhead demand and development are unfortunately spot on. Never in all my decades of designing clubheads has any one of my left hand models ever seen more than 8% of the demand the same model has in RH. And that’s even with us having sold to a good… Read more »
Hello Tom. I was recently fitted for irons, having tested Ping G400, I200, Taylormade M3, and Mizuno JPX900. My best LM results were with the G400’s with the Project X 5.5 shaft. My handicap is 14 and have been playing my PE2’s since 1988. One key thing determined by this fitter is that the +1/2 inch shaft length on my current irons is not needed. He said it’s borderline based on my physical measurements, but that the LM data shows better club head speed with regular length. I’m now looking at other options in irons and several folks on my… Read more »
BILL My apology for the delay in responding. The day your post came in I took off for a week and a half and just got back to it today. Sorry for any inconvenience. It appears the G400s are a higher COR iron design so yes, you could say that at least from this standpoint the two models would have some similarity. Do take a look at the lofts on the two models. I designed the 771’s some years back and like most of my models they tend to stick around for a lot more years than do the big… Read more »
Tom,
Do the 771CSI irons stack up to the new current lot coming from the OEM’s. Allowing for the jacked Lofts (which basically seem to shift an iron set 1 club) how’s the offset and forgiveness performance on mishits for a high handicapper like myself?
Also I’m thinking of working with Bill Wietzl from Conquest Golf in OH do you know Bill?
Than You
MN
MARK Yes for sure I have known Bill W personally for a very long time in this side of the golf equipment industry. No BS, he is without a doubt one of the ten best clubfitters in the world and I am not embellishing that one bit. You’ll come away with the very best fit possible, bar none. And yes, the 771’s as well as most of my game improvement iron designs are now higher in loft per head number than the recent models from the major golf equipment companies. I can gripe and bitch all I want about how… Read more »
Tom
I want to gain one club length with the 771s vs my current non COR irons of the same loft. My driver swing speed is 93 MPH. Would the 771 and two degrees stronger loft accomplish this?
Bruce That is impossible to predict unless you know for sure what the loft of both the current irons and 771 irons happens to be. ALL clubheads are subject in their production to a normal error tolerance of +/-1* and unless you have someone proficient in the use of a proper specs measurement gauge to check the heads of both sets, you can’t know what the loft starting points are for each head for both sets. Second, how much distance any golfer gets with a high COR face depends on their clubhead speed. Slower swinging golfers get less actual yards… Read more »
Hello,
Have a question/request for your opinion: I’m a 7, 60 YO, been playing CB 57s and like them. Been looking, however, at hotter faced clubs and discovered yours… I like the look of the 771s, but was wondering if there’s a way to get them less offset?
TOM: Thanks very much for your interest, for sure. Once a clubhead is designed, its offset is set forever and cannot be altered. To change offset in the 771CSI or in any existing clubhead would require new tooling dies to be made from scratch with the offset change in the dies. You can change offset by bending the loft angles, but you cannot change offset while keeping the lofts as they are. Theoretically it is possible with a completely new type of bending fixture and machine, but as of now such a unit does not commercially exist in the golf… Read more »
Hello Tom, Some questions about Lie Angle I got a full set (5-PW) of 771CSI Irons last June. I decided to have them bend 2° up to have the same 4° gap between my wedges. So the PW is 48° instead of 46° the 9 iron 44° etc. My swing at that time was very much over the top – outside in. So we bend the Irons to a Lie angle of 68° only the 5 Iron to 64° 1. The lower the loft the less the lie angle impacts the ball flight? Correct? So if my 5 Iron would… Read more »
Michael Yes, the lower the loft, the less there is a misdirection angle off the face when the lie angle is not fit correctly to the golfer. But because you hit the low loft irons farther, it is true that the smaller misdirection angle can be multiplied into an off line shot simply because the ball is flying farther on the smaller misdirection angle. This is why we always want to dynamically fit the lie for each iron and not ignore any of them in the fitting process. The only way to know for sure that the lie angle is… Read more »
Tom would you ever consider/ would it be practical/ to make a sw-lw with a high COR variable thickness face? I know a lot of shorter wedge shots and shots from the rough tend to be missed high on the face with a wedge. Would it be beneficial to have that extra off center hit performance with wedges? I know the Ben hogan company came out with wedges that had more weight up higher on the back of the club head claiming it helped offer better distance on those higher face strikes. I always thought less weight or a thinner… Read more »
KOURT It would basically be a waste of time and a waste of money to make a high COR SW and LW. One could argue that if all of the other irons through the PW and GW were a high COR design, then the SW and LW should be as well to keep the distance gaps consistent. But really, help for off center hit performance gets less necessary as loft increases. This is because as loft increases the ball does not compress into the face as much. And the penalty for loss of distance from an off center hit is… Read more »
Tom,
Are there any fitters that you recommend in the Mobile, AL area?
JOSH
Absolutely. Ronnie Barnett at RJ the Clubmaker right in Mobile is very good. I’ve known him for a very long time in this side of the golf equipment industty, have corresponded with him regularly on technical topics, so I can tell you he knows what he is doing in the field.
RJ the CLubmaker
1216 Edinburgh court
Mobile, AL 36609
251-343-7023
rj@rjgolfclubs.com
http://www.rjgolfclubs.com/
Hope this helps and thanks very much for your interest,
TOM
If you had a 7 iron from the 771 csi set and a 7 iron from the sterling Single Length set built to identical length and loft. Would there be any performance difference? I’m considering building a hybrid set with the 4-7 irons at 7 iron length from the sterling single length set. Then 8-aw in the 771 csi irons at progressively shorter lengths. I realize this negates one of the benefit of having all clubs the same length but to me the main benefit of the single length set is the shorter and easier to hit long irons. But… Read more »
KOURT While both the 771-7 and Sterling-7 are the same type of high COR face design in the same type of carbon steel body, the 771-7 has a loft of 34* and the Sterling 7 is 31*. That right there makes a big difference that can’t be equalized unless you do some serious bending. There are a gazillion different set options one could pursue for length relationships between irons. It is possible they can all work fine for a golfer as long as the shaft, total weight, swingweight, lie and grips are correct for the golfer at the same time.… Read more »
Tom I read somewhere that you said any club above 40 degrees in loft imparts such a glancing blow that the forgiveness factors from perimeter weighting don’t have much of an effect.
I was wondering why you would design the 8-gw in this set with a variable thickness face if that technology doesn’t affect the shot as much in those higher lofted clubs. Maybe I mis interpreted what you were saying but if you could explain the benefits of the variable thickness face in the higher lofted clubs that would be great.
KOURT
At higher lofts such as over 40*, it is not a case of the perimeter weighting or the thin face not working at all. It is a progressive drop in the amount of off center hit forgiveness or in the ball speed increase as the loft increases. So you would not do away with these things totally just because of the higher loft reducing the impact force into the face and head because it is just reduced, not eliminated.
TOM
Mr. Wishon, After reading a couple of your books, and learning all I could about club custom fitting, I decided to visit Mr. Rick Grinstead, in Saddelbrook, Arizona. I was fortunate to meet him and have a very professional session at his place. I have to add that I live in Mexico City and making this trip was one thing that I really wanted to do, because unfortunatelly, currently there is nobody who can provide this service in my country. I have to say that there is a person in San Luis Potosi, Mexico, who used to provide professional club… Read more »
Thank you very much Sr Chavez for sharing your fitting experience with Rick. I am very pleased to hear that you found Rick and were able to work with him for your fitting needs. Rick is a long time friend of mine in this business so I know how good he is, and I know what a good job he does for the golfers who find him and choose to work with him. That’s really great to hear and I thank you so much for your interest and your support !!
Best wishes to you in this great game,
TOM