771CSI IRONS
Thin Face, High COR, Variable Thickness Face in a Carbon Steel Body to Offer a Wide Range in Lie and Loft Bending for Custom Fitting
Features:
- High 0.830 COR face design offers the most distance for all golfers
- CNC Machined Variable Thickness Face delivers superb off-center hit forgiveness
- Head body material is 1020C carbon steel to allow clubmakers to perform a wide range in loft and lie bending – previously all high COR thin face designs had to be mounted in a 17-4 stainless body, which limited loft and lie fitting options
- Conventional Head Size and Shape means a wider range of golfers will like the 771CSI design
- Fully Radiused Sole Design with Rounded Leading Edge offers golfers the best playability from all types of grass as well as from the rough
- Available in RH & LH in #4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, PW, (AW RH only) in bright satin NiCr electroplated finish
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Hi Tom,
I tend to “tinker” with everything I have. Having both a set of 771csi’s and 870ti’s I go back and forth. In additon I picked up a set of Tour Edge iron woods. I play casually lately, but still keep coming back to the feel of the 771csi, and your older 870ti. Can you explain the difference between these two models and what are the advantages/disadvantages of each. Thanks again.
DOUG I can definitely tell you that with the 870 and 771 you own the two very best super game improvement iron designs that I think I have ever created in my 37 yrs of designing clubheads! And I am serious about that. They are really quite similar in performance because both are high COR, variable thickness face designs. So they both have a very high on center COR, and the variable thickness face allows the off center hits to perform better in terms of ball speed and distance and feel, than any other super game improvement iron ever made… Read more »
Thanks for the encouragement and knowledgeTom. Now, if only my swing keeps improving. I know it’s ‘‘this Indian, not these great arrows”.
Hi Tom, Over the course of using the 771s for several years, my handicap has dropped slowly from 12 to 6. Should I stay with the 771’s or consider your new forged irons?
Also, while the 771’s are still highly competitive with new offerings from the big box stores. I wonder if a replacement in the works?
Thank you for your thoughtful approaches to everything you do.
Respectfully, Paul
Paul First of all, CONGRATULATIONS on moving from a 12 to a 6. That is a huge change in the game for a player to achieve and you should be extremely proud to have done that. May the improvement continue and with it, may your desire to play this great game keep increasing!!! OK to the question you asked. On one hand I can use the old adage, “if it ain’t broke, don’t go out and try to fix it”. If you move out of the 771s into any of the forged iron models, whether from us or whoever, you… Read more »
Tom, I got fitted for the 770 CFE back in 2008. I hit them well how do they stack up to the current lineup. They feel a little heavy now that I am 70 yrs old. I am looking up update my set.
ED
I still feel that the 770s can stack up against any game improvement iron that is out there on the market today, no matter whose name is on the irons. They are as high of a COR as is possible to make in an iron, and the off center hit performance is still unsurpassed, in my opinion. They can be re fitted with lighter weight shafts and with the swingweight made lighter so they do not feel as heavy as they did 15 yrs ago.
TOM
Tom, I have the 765WS and want to upgrade. I am a mid-hi handicap , like a higher ball flight and want to improve distance. What would be a good selection of the current models?
GREG For mid to high handical players, I have always been partial to the 771CSI irons. While I designed these years ago, I strongly believe there are no other irons even introduced this year or in the past few years that can offer as high of a level of off center hit forgiveness as the 771. Distance wise they do have an outstanding high COR face design, but since I designed and introduced these several years ago, they are designed with what had been more conventional lofts (based on a 26* loft #5 iron) while many of today’s modern game… Read more »
Tom, thank you for all you do for us. I recently got refitted for driver and 3 wood by the one and only Frank Strannick. To say Frank is awesome would be an understatement, and having worked with him and he understanding my swing has been amazing. Frank will be fitting me for these 771s to replace my 560s, and my question is this: with the posted lofts of the clubs on your site, is it feasible that with a 7i as an example, that distance increased from 175 with 560s to roughly 188 with the demo 771 that Frank… Read more »
JIM Thank you very much for your kind words of appreciation. It’s really nice to know that I matter a little bit! No question that the COR of the 771’s is much higher, iron speaking, than that of the 560s. When we were doing the testing on the 771s many years ago during their development, most everyone felt that the 771s were a full club longer than the low/normal COR irons they had been playing, with loft = loft on both models. 175 to 188 seems on the very edge of being a little larger difference than what we saw,… Read more »
Tom, you are very gracious to answer my question, thank you. I believe the loft of the 771 was 2 degrees stronger than my 560 7i, but I hadn’t really pressed Frank much as he was headed to FL when I returned the demo and got my new sticks. I have now seen the 309 and find them very pleasing to the eye and with my fitting happening late March early April,look forward to the 310 and see what Frank has to say. Just an FYI, will probly show Frank the praise you have shown for him as when I… Read more »
Hi Tom After all the amazing comments and feedback, I am looking to buy a set of 771csi. However, I am fairly new to golf and have only played with the modern day low lofted GI irons, so I am thinking of lowering the lofts of the 771 when I get them. So I have 2 questions: if I say lower the loft of the 7i by 3 degrees, which I guess will reduce bounce by 3 degrees do I still have sufficient bounce? Also, for a swing speed around 80mph, what would be the carry distance gain by lowering… Read more »
Denis My simple starting recommendation in my own personal opinion is, DO NOT EVER REDUCE THE LOFT OF ANY IRON BY AS MUCH AS 3*. If you bend any iron that much, you increase the offset visibly, you make the lower part of the hosel curved which looks odd to many players, and worse, you reduce the bounce sole angle by 3*. Most lower number irons do not have more than a few degrees of bounce, so if you reduce that by as much as 3*, you can promote hitting shots where the sole digs into the ground too much.… Read more »
Thank you so much Tom for your great advice! My initial thought of bending the irons stronger was to gain a bit more distance. Do you think it would make much of a difference at 80mph 7 iron swing speed?
Denis Without question, lowering the loft of the irons would allow you to hit each iron farther. As I am sure you know, clubhead speed is the reason why each person has the ability to hit the ball long, short or in between, but loft is the most important contributor to distance from the standpoint of the clubs. So if your current irons are 3* lower in loft per each iron number, there is no way you could hit any set of irons as long as your current set unless the lofts were the same or within a degree for… Read more »
Hi Tom
Thank you so much for your thoughtful advice, as always.
Best wishes
Denis
Denis,
Great discussion. I have had a set of 771’s that I have played for awhile. Most of the crew I play with are older and have clubs that are newer, with stronger lofts. When a partner is playing his 7 iron with 28-30 loft, I simply use my 6 iron, that is 30 degrees. I have had my clubs adjusted for +1 degree lie, never the original loft. Adapt to that, and you will love the clubs. Remember, Tom is always correct. Good luck.
DOUG I need to frame your last statement and put it up in our house so Mary Ellen can see it !!! HA! But hey, kudos to you for not being sucked into the ego game of iron number vs iron number for distance and that you are well aware of your lofts. Though I admit that urge is strong among golfers to always want to hit the higher number for a specific distance, enough that one of these years I will have to retire the 771s simply to bring out a successor with stronger lofts. Makes me wish the… Read more »
Tom, I couldn’t agree with you more- for the average golfer even if this advancement in technology was real having 7 iron at 28 degrees of loft cannot possibily be of any benefit. A USGA mandated minimum loft for each iron with a variance of minus 1 degree would be of great sense, but, I don’t know if that was/is within their mandate. If this strengthing in lofts has been halted at somewhere around 32 or 33 degrees for the 7 iron companies would have to separate themselves through true advancements where/when found. It is people such as yourself and… Read more »
BILL A new version of the 771 may just happen within your desired time frame but for now I have to say SHHHH on anything like that!! And in any of my thinking about what a new 771 model would be like, you hit the nail on the head with your suggestion of it being a hollow body iron. Jeez, with the versatility of a hollow iron, there may come a day when every iron, even forged carbon steel muscleback looking irons are made in a hollow construction. The only draw back to hollow irons is it costs a good… Read more »
Tom, I have purchased a set of 771csi irons. I am confused about the bottom of bore to ground showing 1.5″. The hosel length is is 60mm and bore is 30mm. I appears that the bottom of bore to ground would be 30mm or 1.18″. What am I missing? Is the hosel length Measured not from the ground?
BOB
The dimension is bottom of bore to GROUND. Not, bottom of bore to heel. Hosel length is measured from the base of the heel to the top of the hosel. That’s why you are getting confused when thinking of a 60mm hosel length minus a 30mm bore depth and coming up with a number less than the bottom of bore to ground. The ground is another 0.32″ or so below the bottom of the heel of the head. Hope this helps,
TOM
Thanks Tom
Tom, I recently started using the Auditor speed match machine and they use HTS (hosel to sole) measurement, HSD (hosel shaft depth) measurement and am wondering how to use the 771csi specs with this. From my crude attempts at measurement the HTS is 63mm, the HSD is 27 mm. Is HSD the bore depth in the specs listed at 30mm. The weight bore is another 19mm deep from my measurement, so from top of hosel to bottom of weight bore is 46mm. From what you said the HTS would be 60mm +0.32″ (8mm) or 68mm. So BBGM is 68-27 or 41mm=1.6″,… Read more »
JIM Ever since Mondher invented this upgraded MOI measurement machine so it can output direct MOI measurements for assembled clubs, I can tell you that absolutely none of the clubmakers who offer MOI matching of sets ever use or ever even look at the software that goes with the machine. Never. The old original first generation MOI matching equipment we intro’d in 2003 did require use of the accompanying software because the original unit was only a period counter so you have to have the software to calculate the MOI from the period measurement + length + total weight +… Read more »
Tom,
Thanks. That helps greatly. I was getting lost in the weeds on the accompanying documentation with the unit. When I got it I was planning on doing just what you said, but then read the manual recommending this other way. Thanks again.
Jim Hoover
JIM
I’m not even sure why Mondher even developed that software. I have questioned him on it. Anyway, glad to hear you are OK with it and are on track for the future with the unit and with your work!
TOM
Tom, I want to preface by saying thank you… thank you for the clubs and thank you for the time. I’m curious on what irons are targeted at what players. If you were to rank the iron sets from game improvement to players what would that look like?
Trent
for all our iron models, ranked in order from most game improvement to most players type, it would go like this – 1) 771CSI; 2) EQ1-NX; 3) 989CLA; 4) 979SS; 5) 565MC; 6) 585PC; 7) 575MC.
TOM
I have a set of 771 csi irons (4-PW) that I originally purchased with steel shafts, now as I am getting older I am thinking of changing to graphite shafts in order to extend the life of the set. Are there any problems that would make this a bad idea??
Donald No problems whatsoever with swapping shafts on your 771 irons. A competent clubmaker would have no issues with removing the steel shafts and cleaning out the hosels to prepare for new graphite shafts. If the clubmaker has worked with our heads before, he should know to check if there are any weights down in the hosel weight bore that he would remove before putting in the new shafts to be able to use to weight the heads properly for the lighter graphite shafts. If a clubmaker is doing this who is not familiar with our heads, be sure to… Read more »
Thanks so much for the prompt response. The fitter where I originally got the clubs has closed so I can’t go back to him for advice or the change. Other club repair people that I contacted were telling me that club heads for steel shafts were lighter than those for graphite and that a switch would make them too light to perform. Do you have a general idea about how much more weight would be needed? I have found some Aldila shafts that have a very similar profile to the S2S green R shafts and are 65 g. That also… Read more »
Donald Who is going to do the reshaft work on the irons, you or someone else? It’s impossible to tell you exactly how much weight to add to each head because I have no idea of the LENGTH, the SHAFT WEIGHT, the GRIP WEIGHT, The WEIGHT OF ANY TAPE USED WITH THE GRIP INSTALLATION, or what final swingweight you wish to have. Even then, there are variables involved that make it so I cannot be absolutely precise. This is why this is a job for a normally skilled clubmaker who has the equipment to build golf clubs, most notably a… Read more »
Tom, I just wanted to report to you that I decided to drop the Ping’s and go with the 771 csi as my next set. They’ll have Steelfiber i95 shafts and I will go from 6-PW. For the wedges I decided to go Edison forged (51 & 57deg). A big part what lead to this decision was your detailed input and insight on the 771’s and their benefits. Maybe I’ll ad a 771 GW to vary if conditions over here in Germany get rainy/wet. Thanks for your help & Cheers, Frank
Tom, what do you recommend using to clean these irons? I have a small amount of rust in the cavities on a few heads. Thank you!
JOHN First off, a little bit of surface rust over time is not unusual over time with the HS300 high strength steel used to make the faces of the 771 irons, as well as the faces of the 929 woods and 775 woods. All high strength steels are susceptible to some rust over time because their chemical makeup that brings about the much higher strength does bring with it this possibility. But the chemical makeup of the HS300 is particularly susceptible. This is why all heads I design with the HS300 steel are chrome plated, even the 929 woods and… Read more »
Thanks, Tom! I can confirm this is entirely cosmetic and has had no impact on the performance of the clubs. It is only inside the cavities on a few of the clubs. I will try using WD40.
Hi Tom, I’m a 51yr old average Golfer (HCP 16,8) from Hamburg/Germany. I would consider myself as an equipment junkie, bought 6 irons sets, 4 Drivers etc. the last 10 years but completely sold the whole bunch. I currently use Miura PP-9003 -from 2015- irons which I love but I do not hit them consistent by all means. Now I’m on the edge of buying a new set of PING G425 or other GI-irons OR Wishon 771 csi irons – been to a TCF-Clubfitter and tested the 771’s with a steelfiber i95 shaft and hit the center of the face… Read more »
Frank 6 sets and 4 drivers over the past ten years would qualify you as an equipment junkie! But then too, I think of myself as the consummate equipment junkie because for 36 yrs I have been able to design over 400 different models of golf clubs and I can’t make myself stop now!! HA! Happy to offer you some help so you can perhaps settle on a set for a while. Shot consistency, or rather the ability to hit the ball more often on center, has nothing to do with the head design itself. Consistency is in the fit,… Read more »
Tom, I’m really blown away by 1) the short reply-time 2) the length of your answer, simply great! Thank you so much for the detailed input on all sets of irons there. When I got you right then my fitter should be able to also match my Miuras to the specs of the tested 771s to make me hit their center more often, right The reason for asking this is that I am deeply in love with the feeling the Miuras give me on a centered strike;-) btw that is why i always sold the other sets I bought cause… Read more »
Hi, in the next few years I will be looking to replace my current irons with a more forgiving model. I am thinking that when your 771 CSI replacement is available it would be a good time to make that change. However, I am not a huge fan of the undercut cavity design and was wondering if a hollow body design (431 stainless?) might be under consideration for the 771 CSI replacement.
Bill
BILL Thanks very much for your interest. Yes, for sure, I am considering doing the next generation version of the 771CSI irons in a hollow construction because of a couple of reasons. One, it does allow you to further increase the MOI of the head over what is possible with a one piece body design. And two, it makes the impact sound more “normal”, more like a solid body one piece head. It was never, ever a problem, but over the years we would hear from a clubmaker occasionally who told us that a golfer here or there thought the… Read more »
Tom, thanks for your thoughts on a future 771 replacement. In regard to lofts and being “old school” (age 76) I would like to see a loft reduction maximum of 2 degrees from current lofts. Looking forward to all your future models.
Bill
Bill
My pleasure. Yes, I was thinking more like basing the new lofts around a 24* #5 iron with 4* gaps to the 8 and then doing 5* gaps between the 9, P, G, S. What would be in the air yet is whether they could or should be a 4 iron. Probably will since a 771 replacement might have pretty wide use so there could be some with enough clubhead speed to be able to hit a 20 or 21* iron.
TOM
Tom, any further thought on a redesign with a hollow body?
BILL IT’s there, occupying its proper place in my brain, to go hollow when the time comes to design a replacement for the 771CSI irons. Thing is that the 771’s continue to be in demand with the clubmakers and their golfers when they put it up against any of the modern hollow game improvement irons. If it didn’t perform as well or better than what’s out there today, they wouldn’t order it and the fact is, the 771 is still in demand enough that we haven’t felt compelled to jump fast on a new design. But I’ve thought it out… Read more »
I’d really like to see a hollow body design similar in appearance to the NX1-EQ with similar lofts, ie 7 iron at 32 degrees.
Thanks, Tom. Great start to 2023- I have a 585PC built and will soon be testing along side my SL Sterlings. I have seen your new wedges and hope to see your new fairway and hybrids soon.
Tom, I just wanted to say that a lot of the added appeal to me of Wishon golf equipment is that it still looks more traditional and elegant in design and not overdone just for the sake of “looking cooler”. The big OEM’s graphic designers probably do more work every year than the engineers do, because with the limits set in terms of distance and technology, really what else can they do other than change the looks to convince people to want to upgrade clubs every year or two? To me I’d put the 771CSI’s up against ANY cavity-backed iron… Read more »
Claire Thanks so very much for taking the time to stop by to share your very nice and very much appreciated thoughts on my head design work. I did get a good laugh out of your comment about other modern irons looking like a Transformer on a stick! That’s a fun step up from when years ago a golfer told me that he liked the look of my designs “because it wasn’t like other models that made it seem like you were reading a newspaper when you looked at them”! In particular I do think that after hundreds of iron… Read more »
Tom, Thanks again for taking the time to personally reply back to me. I really appreciate all you have done for the Golf industry as well as just how genuine and honest you are with your customers. I just got your Cap’n Clubmaker book from Paul Larson the other day and can’t wait to start reading it. What’s hilarious is that while I was sitting with my club builder (Paul Larson – High Plains Golf) as I’m his “computer guy” and we were browsing Ping, Taylormade and Callaway’s Canadian websites looking at the new head designs and discussing them, and… Read more »
Boy did I have a ROFLOL with that website lead in!!! And be sure to say hi to PAUL !!
TOM
Tom,
I’m a 18 handicap and in need of a new iron set that is a game improvement or super game improvement type. Which, if any, sets do you recommend.
Dennis If you are definitely not thinking about a single length iron set, I would recommend the 771CSI irons. THey are one of the very best high COR face irons ever made so you would get a club more from that. ON top of that they are variable thickness and this will definitely help with off center hits. Off center hits with the 771 are very good, you almost do not lose any distance when you hit the ball 1/2″ off center and very little loss when you hit it even as much as 1″ off center. They are also… Read more »
Tom Any news on any new designs in the pipeline?
Gavin I am at liberty now to talk about this a little since Diamond Golf has sent a newsletter to all their clubmaker accounts mentioning what’s up for 2022, and bringing everyone up to speed on the effects of the pandemic on supply chains as it relates to the business and inventory management. One more tough year we think in terms of supply and then things will loosen back up to get back to where it was, inventory wise. In terms of new, there will be a brand new 719MW driver with estimates for release sometime in the summer to… Read more »
Tom
Very exciting.
Looking forward to especially the 791MW. Feel it’s time for a “big stick” upgrade.
Thanks
Gavin
I’m a lady left handed golfer. Playing my third year and I’m 72. I have a 7 wood Wishon club that I love. Bought it off eBay. Very hard to find left handed clubs. I would like to have a Wishon driver and a 5 wood with senior shaft. I would like to have a set of irons also when ever I can find where to purchase them Where can I get them. I live in central Florida
Thank you
GINGER Thanks very much for finding us and taking the time to stop by. Wishon Golf golf clubs are only available through independent certified custom clubmaker/clubfitters that are located around the country and the world. Because all the clubmakers are independent business people and are not as many in number as there are usual golf retail stores, there are areas where there may not be any such custom clubmakers to work with golfers to build clubs for them. MAny years ago when I became a club designer and got into the business I realize the benefit of custom fitting for… Read more »
Is the 771CSI a forged iron. It says it on all other clubs but not on the 771 info?
DORMAN Thanks very much for your interest. The body and hosel of the 771CSI irons are investment cast from 8620 carbon steel. The face is a separate piece made from a custom high strength steel alloy HS300 we formulated with the help of the production foundry several years ago and we use that material for the face of the majority of our high COR face steel woods, hybrids and irons. The 8620 is a carbon steel alloy similar to the C series carbon steels used in forging. But 8620 is castable so we can get the softness of the carbon… Read more »
Hi Tom, Wondering what your thoughts are on the difference, and advantage/disadvantage with the development of hybrid-iron sets that have been manufactured by Cleveland, TourEdge, and Wilson. I have a set of 771CSI (7-LW) irons that were put together for me by CJ Ebel in Ocean Isle, NC, I also have a set of Touredge “iron wood” model HL4 that I have been trying out for fun. The new, all hybrid, larger, hollow body is easy to hit and good distance. I still lean toward the weight and feel of my 771″s. However, the new hybrid-iron clubs do seem to… Read more »
Doug Going with hybrids deeper into the iron set is usually better for golfers with the following characteristics: 1) 7 iron clubhead speed not any higher than 70mph; 2) tendency to hit a little more downward on the ball in more of a downward angle of attack; 3) positive mental impression of hybrids vs irons when it comes to lower to middle lofts; 4) tendency to hit the ball a little more on the low side for whatever swing reasons. Hybrids usually hit the ball higher than any iron of the same loft because the hybrid typically has a lower… Read more »
Tom,
Thanks for the detailed, timely answer. My experience, and your expertise seem to validate my experience. My current set of Wishon clubs is #2-6 775HS hybrids and #7-9 771CSI irons, w/wedges. I tend to to go with the hybrids instinctively whenever I can.
Please consider reinstating the #6 775HS. I’m wearing mine out. Thanks again.
DOUG Yeah, I hear you on the higher loft hybrids. That’s tough for us these days because so very few clubmakers push hybrids above a #5. And they should. I wish we could offer hybrids up to a #7 because with the trend of the industry to go with lower and lower iron lofts, you now have iron sets with 22-23* #5 irons, 25-27* #6 irons and there are a lot of avg to slower speed players that struggle getting lofts that low well up to fly these days. Problem is, with the foundries all having bumped up their minimum… Read more »
Hi,
According to the specs these heads max out face “hottness” at a .83 COR.
How much more ball speed would these produce compared to the 565? Say you had a golfer that swings their 6i at 80 mph, with a slight downward AoA, how many extra yards of distance are we looking at here?
Just for reference, what would the COR be of the 565 heads?
Thanks in advance.
Nathan Most conventional thicker face irons like the 565, 575 and other forged irons in the industry will have a COR in the area of 0.77-0.78. The actual ball speed difference between an iron of 0.77 and one at 0.83 will vary per each iron because of 1) differences in golfer clubhead speed, and 2) the change of loft through a set of irons. On avg you could count on about 4-5mph more ball speed from the high COR for the same iron/same loft. But in general we find that for most players, FOR THE SAME LOFT ON EACH IRON,… Read more »
Mr. Wishon,
I’ve been thinking of your answer for the last little while.
So, what is the point of even putting the iron number on the bottom of the sole? At this point perhaps just putting the loft in degrees on the bottom of the head makes more sense.
What do you think?
Nathan Except for the fact that the vast majority of golfers are not knowledgeable enough about equipment to have an idea what loft number = what iron head number. Golfers from day one are taught to equate shot distance with an iron number, not a loft number. There was an example of exactly what you suggest that showed what I just mentioned – 4-5 years ago the Ben Hogan company brought out a set of irons with only the loft number engraved on each head. It failed miserably in the market place for the reason I mentioned – far too… Read more »
Hi Tom,
I’m currently playing 30 year old hogan forged edge irons. I really like their feel and can work the ball well with them. I’m 60 now and still getting good distance and gapping with them. Would I be able to fade or draw the 771’s or would the 565’s be a better option?
Thank you for the comment.
The 565’s would be a great choice, at the address position they look similar to tradition forged clubs, but they also offer great off centre performance, still giving you the ability to work the ball.
The 771 is a more game improvement design that also helps with distance, as it has a High Cor face.
Out of the two models the 565 would be the easier for you to transition from the Hogan’s, great feel and workability.
Thanks,
Doug
Tom,
I love my set of 870s but have to confess after 10+ years that they are wearing out and probably need to be replaced. I understand that the 771s are the replacement but they look smaller and I am concerned that the MOI might be less than that of the 870s? I have really come to appreciate how stable the 870s are after hitting other OEM demos.
It’s great to hear that you have been playing 870’s for 10 years and still love them.
You are correct the 771 is the replacement head for the 870. Head measurements are fairly similar, the 771 has got a very slightly larger face area and a little more offset. Taking into account the slightly larger 771 head size, Moi stability will be high.
Thanks,
Doug
I was recently fitted for 771 CS1 irons. The improvement was instant, I was shooting low to mid 90s and went out about the third time and shot 81. Obviously I am very pleased with the setup. I was playing Ping G410 irons with SR flex shafts. The 771 CS1 irons are Nippon R flex with Pure grips. They feel wonderful. I have but one complaint, my clubmaker didn’t have a 5 iron head so I am minus the 5 iron until he can get the head. Best hitting set of clubs I have ever owned.
Hi Tom,
I’ve been playing the 771’s since 2017 with good results. However, I have experienced many golf balls being beat up by the clubface (pieces of the ball in the grooves), particularly on the 9i, 8i & wedges. Have you received similar feedback on the 771?
Thanks for your support,
Mike
Mike Every once in a blue moon, we’ll hear of a player seeing little pieces of the cover of a ball shaved by a groove. But this has always been only when the clubs are new. CNC machining of the grooves in production requires occasional changing of the tiny milling cutter that cuts the grooves – they dull out after thousands of cuts and have to be replaced. A brand new milling cutter will cut the grooves a little sharper and even with the usual post CNC sandblasting, there can be a head here or there when NEW that shaves… Read more »
Hi Tom: I am seeking your professional advice as I being to work with Bill Weitzel on getting fit for a new set of irons. Currently I play Taylormade 2.0 Burner irons that I was fitted for about 10 years ago. The fitting consisted of using Trackman and I know the fitting I will be receiving from Bill will be more extensive and thorough. Side note, Bill and I worked together last year on a driver fitting and I have a Wishon 919 in my bag and I absolutely love it. A little about me, I am 61 and my… Read more »
PHIL Many thanks for taking the time to stop by with your observations, comments and questions. I’m always happy to help because I can tell from your comments that you have figured out that club development in the industry is so driven by the desire to give people more distance, even if it means lying about the reasons loft has continually been decreased on irons over the past 40 yrs. Interesting 40 yrs it has been when you think the 5 iron has “evolved” from a loft of 32* to some today that are 21-22*. At any rate, as a… Read more »
Tom:
Thank you for your quick, thoughtful and detailed reply. I appreciate your guidance and you validated some of my thoughts as I weigh which direction I will go with my iron selection.
I am excited to work with Bill because I know he is thorough and which ever selection I make the clubs will be fitted properly. I will check back once I have made the selection.
Phil
As someone that worked with Bill just this year, I can definitely tell you you’re in good hands. I went with the 771’s and they’re fantastic.
Chris:
Thank you for your feedback and I am looking forward to hitting the 771s and working with Bill
Phil
Tom: I completed my fitting with Bill Weitzel and I chose the 771s. The feel of the 565s were awesome and I enjoyed hitting a cavity back forged blade but the off center hit performance of the 771s closed the deal for me. Seeing is believing when you see the FlightScope data. The 771s center hit feel was excellent IMO and this club fit my eye. Bill dialed in my shaft selection, shaft length, club weight with the KBS C Taper 120 S and my shot dispersion when compared to my current clubs became tighter. As you know a properly… Read more »
PHIL It’s really nice for me to be able to hear that your work with Bill was successful and you ended up with models you not just liked the look of, but which performed to your expectations. I still remember the very first time I hit the first 771 prototypes with that variable thickness face and even me with all the years and models under my belt had to stop and give it a “wow, that works really well!” The off center hit performance of that HS300 variable thickness face really is as good as I have ever been able… Read more »
Tom:
Thank you again for the guidance and feedback you provided as I went through the process of selecting new irons.
I did select the 771CSI irons and Bill Weitzel truly is an excellent club fitter. I have played the new irons several times and have hit countless practice balls. I am happy to report these irons along with Bill’s fitting expertise are the best irons I have owned in 45 plus years of playing golf.
All the best to you,
Phil Allard
PHIL Wow! That’s pretty strong for me to hear you say that the 771s as fit by Bill are the best you have played in 45 yrs!! Though really, the lion’s share of the credit goes to Bill. It’s like this if I can slide in a corny metaphor. . . I am the farmer and Bill is the chef. I may grow some pretty good crops if I do say so myself, but they end up as just a little above usual fare unless there is a really good chef putting his touch on the “meal”. Bill most certainly… Read more »
Phil,
As a clubmaker since the 1970s (now mostly retired), I think you landed on the best option out there with the 771s. Tom has always been at the forefront of iron technology for all golfers, not catering to what touring pros use which drives the big companies’ marketing. The 771s have helped golfers of all abilities enjoy the game more in my experience. Enjoy the new clubs.
Dan:
Thank you for feedback on the 771s. I am a big believer in the “Arrow and Indian” when it comes to golf equipment. I know the clubs have been properly fit based on working with Bill Weitzel, so now it is up to me.
Thank you
Phil