PRESENTING THE MOST VERSATILE ADJUSTABLE DRIVER EVER DESIGNED…
Four years in the making, the 719MW is the most advanced moveable weight driver designed by Wishon Golf. The basis for the 719MW can be traced back to an early design in the mid-80s by Tom Wishon and Elmore Just – the founder of Louisville Golf Company: the Cure driver was the first original heel-weighted draw-bias driver ever made in the golf industry. Made from laminated maple, it effectively proved that the centre of gravity on a clubhead can be shifted with the heel weight. And when a golfer contacts the ball in an on-centre shot, this causes a slight rotation on the vertical axis, creating in essence, a tilt on the spin axis of the ball: reducing the amount of fade on a shot.
A later woodhead design in the mid-1990s by Tom Wishon, the AccuCore 50 Driver, would further demonstrate the benefits of heel-weighted drivers, but also most importantly that at least 25-30g was needed in the heel-side to move the COG enough to the point where a centre shot off the face would create a visible draw bias effect on the shot.
Many modern adjustable weight drivers have a maximum of 20g of moveable weight – this is not enough to move the centre of gravity and create a marked difference for the vast majority of golfers with average clubhead speed.
So when Wishon began the design process for the 719 moveable weight driver, it was obvious that it would need to have the ability to move at least 30g of additional weight around the head to be able to offer regular golfers a chance to be able to see a change in the shape of their shots.
And that’s not an easy task (to say the least).
For a 450cc driver, total weight shouldn’t exceed 202-205g in order to be built to a normal range of swingweights, so to take the additional moveable weights, the body of the head had to be in the realm of 172g – an extremely difficult object to achieve.
Wishon was able to engineer the 719MW with the help of one of the very best investment cast titanium foundries in the world, and by varying the wall thickness and removing the entire titanium crown, replacing with lightweight carbon composite, we were able to create the objective design for the 719MW.
The 719MW is the ultimate in advanced adjustable driver technology – offering more versatility and multiple fitting options to clubmakers than any other adjustable driver.
The 719MW features an ultralight carbon composite crown to lighten the head structure and lower CG.
Additionally, the 719MW includes a Custom Hosel Sleeve which enables a wide range in custom lie and face angle specifications and can also be used to offer diffferent lofts when the golfer does not need a custom lie or face angle – only when the driver is held in the square face position at address.
Designed with four separate weight cavity positions, the 719MW has the ability to accept seven different weights – 2g, 4g, 6g, 8g, 10g, 20g, 30g.
+ Place 20g or 30g to either heel or toe position for draw or fade bias OR
+ Place 20g or 30g to either forward or rear position for higher or lower ball flight OR
+ Split 10g or 20g weights in the toe and heel positions to increase head MOI
+ Place other weights in remaining sole cavities to adjust finished weight for fine tuning swingweight/club MOI on a very wide range of finished club length options
CUSTOM HOSEL SLEEVE
The 719MW’s Custom Hosel Sleeve offers a wide range in custom lie and face angle specifications. The Custom Hosel Sleeve can also be used to offer different lofts when the golfer does not need a custom lie or face angle, but only when the driver is held in the square face position at address.
• With the driver SOLED in the address position, the custom hosel sleeve will allow a change in face angle from 2° closed to 2° open or lie position from 58° to 60.5°.
• By holding the club with the face square to the target in the address position, the hosel sleeve will allow a change in loft of the 9° model from 7.5° to 11°. For the 11° model, by holding the club with the face square to the target in the address position, the hosel sleeve will allow a change in loft from 9.5° to 13°. Full instructions can be found at the link on the right and will also be included with each 719MW driver when purchased.
The following charts reveal the change in the lie, face angle and loft specs for each of the 8 sleeve positions for the 9° and 11° models. The change in lie and face angle is in relation to the measured lie and face angle of each 719MW head, when it is measured traditionally with the hosel sleeve in the N position.
(Hosel sleeve designations: N= Neutral; C=Closed; U=Upright; O=Open)
- All 719MW Drivers are supplied with a wrench, custom hosel adaptor and ferrule included. All components are also available to purchase individually.
- All weight pieces available and sold separately in: 2g, 4g, 6g, 8g, 10g, 20g, 30g.
- Also available is the Wishon 360 Grip, made for matching with the 719MW.
© COPYRIGHT 2024 WISHON GOLF
Hi Tom,
Is the 719MW conforming for competition if one chooses to use no weights and any of the weight cavities?
NATHAN Yes for sure, there are no restrictions in the rules for using weight cavities on the 719MW driver. At its lightest weight with no weights, the head weighs 169-170. So at the much lighter range of weight up to say, 185-190g it could be a good head for juniors or for people who know they play better with a much lighter driver head weight than what is normal in the industry. But it also can be weighted so that a player that wants/needs a very short driver such as 41-42″ for ultimate control and accuracy, it can be built… Read more »
Tom, I thought there were legal restrictions on faces COR? What’s with the 10,000g faces? What have they done or is it a new marketing tool? The way they advertise them the whole driver face is a sweet spot! I thought you can have a minimum thinnest?
GARY You’ve got a little misinformation going that I need to clear up first before going into an explanation to help you. The 10,000 number you have heard bandied about in claims for performance of drivers is the combination of TWO Moments of Inertia (MOI) in the head added together. The MOIs have nothing to do with the COR. COR is the Coefficient of Restitution and is a measurement of the “springiness” of the face. The higher the COR of the face, the more the face flexes inward when the head hits the ball, so the more energy is transferred… Read more »
Tom,
All things being equal, how much higher would this driver launch the ball (with a 30-gram weight in the rear position) vs. an identical loft 919THI driver.
Thanks!
RAY All things being equal, and for sure there would be a LOT of variables involved to equalize (!!) the 719 with a 30g weight in the center rear cavity would launch the ball about 1.5* higher than a similar impact from a similar loft 919. Biggest variable is the point of release of the golfer. Rear or forward weighting can only act to influence launch angle for players with a later to very late unhinging of the wrist cock angle. All other golfers with early to midway releases won’t see any change in launch angle from forward or rear… Read more »
Hello Tom
I usually FLO every shaft in the position six o’clock. That means the flo is pointed down according to the center of gravity of the head. The idea is that the shaft will allways bending down and foreward according to the center of gravity of the head, not the face of the clubhead. I understand that this is a subject of discussion and I am not shure. Can you help me understanding which way to assembley the clubhead according to FLO of the shaft?
LASSE Almost all of the clubmakers I know who FLO the shafts they work with will install the shaft so the FLO plane is aimed in the direction of the target. This is so when the shaft begins its forward bending after the unhinging of the wrist cock angle, the forward bending is straight and cannot cause the head to move up or down to create more of a chance of an off center toe or heel side hit. Some of the clubmakers take this a step farther – they note the golfer’ swing path and they orient the FLO… Read more »
Tom, question about adding weights to the head of the 719. Is their a limit as to the weights you can add to the head. e.g. a 30gm in the rear and a 20 in the heel and 5gm in the front and toe ports.
GEOFF The 719 head with no weights has a spec weight of 170g. If you added 55g to that, the head at 225g would likely be too head heavy to be functional as a golf club. The swingweight would be too high. How much head weight to use is first and foremost dictated by what swing weight feels best to you, not too head heavy and not too head light, based on the length, the shaft weight, the grip weight and what YOU as a player perceive to be too head heavy or too head light. For example, if you… Read more »
Hello Tom
Just saw your video on the new driver 719MV.
A question, when you put 30 gram to either toe or heel and then place a 2 gram opposite, i agree the will change the center of gravity, but how about smashfactor, will smashfactor be 1,50 at the center of gravity or the center of the face?
Lasse The smash factor would be at its highest for impacts in the center of the face. This is because the center of the face is where the highest amount of face flexing can happen. With EVERY driver that is fully hollow with no support behind the face, any time you hit the ball off center the face is not able to flex as much as the impact on center. Now with a good variable thickness face, which the 719 does have, impacts that are as much as 1/2″ to 3/4″ off center still can have a 1.50 smash factor… Read more »
Message to Paul : interesting you should bring up shafts and the 719. I’m in the process of working with my fitter in n j ( Tim mossel ) the first one I tried was the Wishon white wood 60 gram . I hit the ball well ( as I said in my remarked below) But I felt some stiffness at times on impact. My 919 driver has a 45 gram shaft .no stiffness but not as long or high as 719. So Tim mossel is going to try to put a lighter shaft in the 719 . I’m head… Read more »
i have measured torgue on shafts today and I measure ironshafts one inch from the butt end and at the tip of the uncut length of the shaft. One pund and one foot. My measured values are much higher then your values of the same iron svhaft. Howe to you measure your shaft?
I would like to reply to newest letter from Paul. Paul I’m 70 years old and my swing speed is not what it once was. Yet, I’m hitting the 719 further and higher than my 919. Now I will say the face is set “ neutral” ( which allows me to concentrate on the height of my ball) I have 30 grams of weight in the rear of the club. If you can set at neutral ( no draw or fade bias) it’s a longer driver then 919. By the way my 919 driver is 13.5 loft.
Tom and Ken, I now own both a 719MW and a 919THI driver. My search now shifts to the best shaft for a target length of 44″. My question is: what are the rules for tip trimming when extra mass is added to a driver head? I have read in another post about the “1:2 ratio rule” when a club is not built to standard length. I need guidelines to adjust tip trimming when mass is added to a clubhead. Thanks to Ken for the additional input. Very surprising your 919 is 13.5 degrees in loft given the higher launch… Read more »
PAUL There are no “rules” per se when you add mass to the 719 head for the tip trimming of the shaft. The clubmaker has to use his best judgment for whether to increase the tip trim when increasing the swingweight (or MOI) of the driver based on what will perform the best and FEEL THE BEST to the golfer in the finished club. These things can be two separate elements in a fitting to assess whether a normal tip trim of a shaft would end up too soft or too stiff or just right for the golfer, AND THEN,… Read more »
Tom, Would you please discuss the skill/handicap range for the 719 MW driver compared to that of the 919 Thi. I am 65 with a driver swing speed in the low 80s and do not make consistent solid contact. Given the 13 and 15 degree options, clearly the 919 Thi is intended to be suitable for me. The 11 degree 719 MW can be extended to over 13 degrees of loft, so maybe it too is intended for someone like me. About the sleeve adjustment with the 719 MW, my understanding is that if a loft column were added to… Read more »
PAUL Thanks very much for taking the time to stop by with your interest about the 719MW driver. Always happy to help with any information. First of all, driver head designs are not really designed for specific player ability types. Irons most certainly are in that you have the muscleback blades for the very good players, shallow cavity backs for reasonably decent players, and graduated forms of deep cavity back going all the way up to super game improvement high COR face irons for those who need every bit of help from their equipment possible. Almost every driver head on… Read more »
Tom, What a reply! Your combination of expertise, patience and generosity is off the charts. Thanks so much. After not playing golf from about 2007 to this past summer, I restarted when my son expressed interest. He now has my old set of 560 MC irons and I replaced these with the more appropriate 771 CSI in PW – 6. Not only are they long and easy to play, they are not harsh at impact on off center hits. I must protect my elbows from reinjury. My old driver (Golfsmith Jeff Sheets design from 2005) is 43.5 inches long with… Read more »
Tom the 719 driver is one of your greatest achievements! I took it to floridia over past weeks. And it’s incredible. Tim mossel ( from mossel golf in n j ) put together a gem. We have it at neutral ( no draw or fade ) with 30 grams of weight in the rest of club-head. Here is what I find: first I’m averaging about 15 or more yards then my 919 . I’m hitting the ball higher ( much higher with a nice draw) vs my 919. ( something I wanted). Most of all I can’t believe the control… Read more »
KEN Thanks so much for taking the time to stop by and share your experience with the new 719 driver you got from Tim Mosel. I’m so pleased you are close enough to work with Tim because he just does not get enough credit for being such a good clubmaker/clubfitter. ANyone who is in that part of New Jersey would do themselves a ton of good in the game if they took the time to contact and work with Tim for their equipment needs. Keep having fun and I hope the 719 spurs you on to play better than you… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Is there an engineering/performance design for the scoring lines on the 719MW face or is it simply for cosmetic purposes?
Thank you, Ben
BEN Regardless if we are talking about scorelines on wedges, irons, hybrids, woods or drivers, the only function of scorelines is to channel moisture away from the surface impact between the surface of the ball and the clubface. Spin is generated by the friction of the non lined surfaces of the face that come in contact with the surface of the ball at impact. This is precisely why milled face wedges spin the ball more than non milled face wedges. The milling creates a higher coefficient of friction that can “grab” the surface of the ball more aggressively. Most drivers… Read more »
Hello Tom
I have been thinking about smash factor and swing speed. As I understand the max sf can be 1,50. But does it go for any club head speed, I mean if your club head speed is 80 m/h will the smash factor be 1,50 if you hit it in the CG as it goes for a swing speed of 110m/h ??
Lasse
Yes, as long as the driver head has a COR of 0.830 and the shot is hit in the center of the face, and the impact is recorded by a very accurate launch monitor, the smash factor will be 1.50 regardless of the clubhead speed.
TOM
When do you expect 15g and 25g weights being available? Thanks.
Bill Sorry for the delay in responding but being over here in the US and Diamond over there with the inventory, I had to find out what was what with the other weights. Diamond does have the 15g in stock. That’s the good news. The bad news is that while I thought I had asked the factory to make the 15 and 25, the factory has no knowledge of being asked to make the 25g weight. But really, when you think about it, there really is not a good reason to have a 25g weight. The 15g for sure is… Read more »
Tom, thanks. I was looking at playing this driver (11 degrees) at 45″ with a 57 gram shaft and 53 gram grip and using a 25g weight in the heel and 2 grams each in the other cavities and felt this would give sufficent fade reduction but if necessary I could adjust face angle as needed. The swing weight at 45″ would be very close to my current driver.
Hi Tom,
Are there any fitting specs that can help a golfer to reduce his tendency to swing over-the-top?
Speaking of golf swing faults, do you have any book recommendations about golf swing theory, something that is data/physics-based?
Thank you for your time.
MARC There are no fitting specs that on their own can make you reduce the tendency to swing over the top. However, there are fitting specs that make it much harder to re train your swing to swing less over the top. The biggest one is driver and fwy wood length. If the driver and the woods are too long for the golfer’s ability to control the club, that longer length will accentuate an over the top swing and make it worse. Now at the same time, playing with a shorter length driver and woods is not going to automatically… Read more »
Hi Tom,
I have a constant M.O.I on my iron set , is it advisable to match the MOI of my driver with that of my irons ?
JIM No, the driver and fwy woods in a totally MOI matched bag will typically be around 75 g-cm2 higher in MOI than the irons. The reason for this is because the woods and driver as a group are a big jump longer in length than your longest iron. In a std set of 1, 3, 5 woods and 3-PW irons, the length of the 5w is typically 2 to 3″ longer than the 3 iron. In MOI the length is a squared property which means that the length is much more important for determining MOI than the weight. So… Read more »
Hey Tom,
With the variable weights, could this driver be 40-41″ long and be the same swing weight as the one length fairway woods? – basically trying to make a one length woods set
If that is possible, would the gapping be enough to justify the idea?
As always, appreciate your time
Trent Yes, with all the different weight options, you can build the 719 driver to 40-41″ length and reach a normal swingweight. That is definitely possible. The question though is why you would want to do that, because at that short of a length, without question you will be dropping your clubhead speed a significant amount and from that, losing distance. The only reason I can see to do a driver that short is if the player has severe problems with either accuracy or on center hit consistency. Even then, having the driver at say, 42 or 43″ should help… Read more »
Looking at your Lie, Loft and face angle chart and taking the C/U Hosel Sleeve Position as an example the reason for the closed face angle being offset by holding the face square in the address position is simply logic, however, is there a simple explanation as to why the lie wouldn’t remain at 2.0 upright. Thanks.
Ray
RAY I can tell this is a question that would be FAR EASIER to answer in person, me standing by you with a 719 driver and wrench in hand, than it will be with a keyboard! Keep in mind that EVERY SINGLE ADJUSTABLE HOSEL SLEEVE is made to allow the shaft to tilt at a different angle into the hosel bore. So as you rotate the sleeve to change that angle, the lie AND the face angle both change a little bit with every sleeve position. It is impossible to change the angle of the shaft into the bore so… Read more »
Tom, thanks. I understand that to achieve the lie and face angle for each hosel setting that the head needs to be soled on the ground and if one does this and then decides they wanted to have the loft change for their chosen hosel setting they would actually rotate the club until the face is square in order to achieve the loft change. Rotating the club to square negates the face angle, however, my confusion is why when rotaing the club to square does the lie angle also change? I would think that the lie angle change dictated by… Read more »
RAY
Keep in mind that the shaft is always at some angle in the sleeve, in the hosel bore. Even at the N position there is some angle of the shaft into the sleeve and bore. So no matter if you rotate the head with your hands or with an adjustment of the hosel sleeve, the angle of the shaft is going to change so the lie will have to change too,a little bit.
TOM
Hi Tom,
You mentioned that the production of the 719 has resulted in very tight tolerances which is a great thing. I was wondering if this could be hand selected for a lie angle of 57 degrees in the neutral position? I am aware that lie angle is less important for a driver however some clients truly require a flatter lie angle in the driver.
Thank you!
BEN I am at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of being able to answer your question because all the inventory is over at Diamond Golf and my workshop is here in the States. The only way to know would be for you to contact Diamond Golf and ask to speak with Doug Holmes and ask him what he is seeing on his spec checks of the 719 heads. But for much flatter lie needs, this is where the 919 can out do the 719 because of the bendable hosel on the 919. It can be bent to a… Read more »
Tom,
I just switched from your 519 with a 10.5 degree loft to your new 719 with a 9 degree loft. I found myself struggling at 9 degrees so I adjusted to the “C” position to get to 11.25 degrees. This puts the club in a closed position, which actually increased my misses (I don’t ever slice my drive, I’m the complete opposite). I have a 30g weight in the front, an 8g in the back and 2g on each side. Should I be using different size weights or have them in different positions. Thanks
Dennis I realize this matter of using the hosel sleeve for face angle and lie vs using it for a loft change can be confusing. This is why I wrote the instruction sheet with the two charts with the statement above the loft chart saying “The 719MW hosel sleeve will only change loft as long as the golfer knows to always hold the club with the face square after each sleeve adjustment. WHen used to change loft, the sleeve cannot also offer a lie or face angle change.” WHen you put the sleeve on ‘ C ‘ and then you… Read more »
I am sure that this design will become popular enough to have his LH version. I hope so!
Marc
We’re watching the numbers carefully so we can hopefully make this decision before too much longer!
TOM
A vote for the lefties, Canadians’, and Scandinavians!
Tom first of all enjoy the discussion on the new driver head. Your expertise and explanation of moving the cg of the head with the weighting system especially using the 30 gram weight will be a benefit to all the golfers. My question in using your adjustable sleeve along with the weighting system is it possible to influence more of a fade or draw bias by setting the head up in more of a flat lie or an upright lie?
ROGER Thanks so much for your interest! IMO you never try to use the lie angle to elicit either a draw or fade from a clubhead. You use the FACE ANGLE. On the 719 sleeve there are positions C for closed face angle and O for open face angle. These make the head sit either closed or open when you sole the head in the address position. They are a better way to reduce a slice/fade or reduce a hook/draw because they are a degree for degree change in the orientation of the face at impact when the golfer either… Read more »
Hi Tom, Congrats on the new design. Reading your Q & A you go to some length to talk about the casting process for this head but in the description on this page it says the body material is plate forged and the face material is 2 piece investment cast. Could you elaborate on this for us? From the illustration it looks like this is not a cup face design (why?), and would be interested to know what the 2 face pieces are. If the body is forged not sure why you would cast the face, and forging the body… Read more »
JOHN Sorry for the confusion, but it is the other way around from what you wrote in your comment post. If this is how it actually is stated on the material, I thank you for the question so I could tell Diamond to make the proper corrections. The body of the 719 is one piece vacuum investment cast from 6/4 titanium with an open face area, while the face piece that is plasma welded into the open face of the body is plate forged from the same titanium alloy in a variable thickness construction. In the production industry, investment casting… Read more »
Tom, Thanks for the clarification. I was under the impression that most of the big name drivers were 4 piece forged with a cup face, at least that’s what their “forged titanium head” marketing implies (with the exception of the Taylormade Stealth of course). I’m surprised to hear that the 719 would be producing more distance than the 919 with the cup face and would be interested to hear your ideas as to why. If the cup face doesn’t produce better “spring like effect” across a larger area of the face it would seem to eliminate the case for a… Read more »
JOHN Virtually none of the big companies have ever used 4 piece construction on their heads. They’ve been too scared to trust 25″ of welding, fearing that a higher than desired percentage of heads would crack on some part of one of the welding seams. And the other reason is that virtually all of the biggest foundries that the big companies deal with do not work in 4 piece construction. These bigger foundries all jumped as early as possible into titanium driver production (1993-4) and back then, investment casting was the only way a titanium driver head could be made.… Read more »
Tom, congrats on a masterpiece. I purchased one of the drivers and compared it head to head with my Titleist TSR3 and the 719 won. Great feel, great look at address and more customizable than anything on the market. Headed down next weekend to see Keith Chatham to see if we can squeeze a few more yards out of it!
Jonathan
Wow, may I say that you MADE MY DAY with your comment that the new 719 outperformed the TSR3 !!! How nice is that for you (and me!!) to have the chance to realize the 719 turned out to be something pretty special! Thanks very much for your interest and especially for your support of what we try to do in our work! DO be sure to say HI to Keith when you get to Kerrville to see him!
TOM
Hi Tom, really excited to see this new Driver model! It’s great having a club which is that adjustable for us “normal” mortal golfers. Really wondering whether the majority of golfers believe they play the same models as the tour players just because both have just apparently same brand. I even don’t think that buyable clubs come from the same foundries as the ones for the pros… Anyway I was not going to start a discussion about this (although I’d be very curious about your opinion on this topic). Much simpler I just wanted to ask whether there are also… Read more »
Michael Thank you so much for your enthusiasm about the 719! Makes us all feel very good to hear that! I am sorry that most times we cannot start out with a LH version of a new clubhead model. We’re small enough that we need to see that the model has a good chance of being successful in the RH version before we can think about it in LH. That is thanks to the fact that while in Canada LH players are 15% of the market and in Sweden they are 10%, but here they are 6% so the worldwide… Read more »