919THI DRIVERS
Wishon Golf’s Most Popular Driver Design in a Wide Variety of Custom Fitting Options
Features:
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919THI Drivers available in both conventional finish and a Black Oxide finish – all designed with Wishon’s unique bendable hosel
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Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off center hit performance in the game
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All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor
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The 919THI is also available in a beautiful black oxide satin finish with a striking but subtle red top crown highlights for the most modern cosmetic appearance
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Available in conventional finish version in RH 9°, 11°, 13° and 15.5°. LH in 11°. Black Oxide version in RH in 9°, 11° and 13°
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Tom, I was also wondering how cold temperatures affect the durability of golf clubs. Living in Colorado Springs I play a lot of golf in the winter, temps in the 30s on the low side but many days in the 40s-50s even up to the low 60s for short stretches possible. As long as the course is playable snow wise and it’s not too windy I usually don’t slow down my normal routine of playing at least 3 times a week. The discussion below on durability has me wondering if I’m significantly lowering the life expectancy of my 919 THI… Read more »
Dave Cold won’t adversely affect anything on the golf clubs themselves. You won’t do any damage to the clubs by playing when it is cold. Depending on the type of grip you have on the clubs, very cold weather will make the grips feel firmer/harder but it won’t cause any damage to them. I would recommend that you never store your golf balls where it is cold because they will be affected and you would notice a difference in performance and mainly in the impact feel of the ball. Keep the balls warm and when you play, try to keep… Read more »
Hi Tom, I have a 919THI I’ve had for 3 years now and a 519 SHPR I got last year. I have the S-Flex Red shaft in both and I absolutely LOVE the different characteristics of each. I was curious your thoughts on other material components for driver heads. Taylor Made just came out with the “Stealth” carbon faced driver with the “twist-face” design. I know this concept has been tried before in the past and I understand it is a complete marketing gimmick as the testing seems to indicate it doesn’t improve on last year’s model. I’ve seen you’ve… Read more »
DAVE Very pleased to hear that you like both the 919 and 519 and that you do notice differences in the two. That’s precisely what we had in mind when I did the 519 to follow on the 919. Now we hope down the road when it comes out, the number in between those two will get positive reviews as well!! Shhhhh. HA! Not enough is known by people outside of Taylor Made about this new Stealth driver. There are foundry people who insist there is a thin titanium face behind the composite material, such that it may not be… Read more »
Awesome! Love your clubs! Currently hitting the Sterling and I have an EQ1-NX 5i – LW set with Red S-Flex shafts on order with my friend and club fitter/maker Bill Nottingham so very much looking forward to that. Can’t wait to see what comes out next!
Dave
Tom
Been using a 919THI that I was fit to a couple of years ago. During the fitting I was getting higher smash factor and more ball speed with the 919 compared to my gamer. Recently I converted my garage to a simulator room with a TrackMan 4 unit and land angle and spin with the 919THI is less consistent vs other drivers but smash is on avg higher. Spin is higher when I hit it low on the face.
Could it be the GRT roll doesn’t suit my 120mph swing?
David The GRT reduced vertical roll is fine for speeds up to 120-125, or at least in the >10 yrs that we have been making the 919, we’ve never once heard of or seen any situation in which a player of your velocity had any issues with it. What you may want to check since you have had this for a few years is whether you may have started to cave in the face a little bit. Titanium driver faces do have a life expectancy and especially if you with your 120mph speed have been playing with this for 2+… Read more »
Tom, Your comment about life expectancy has me thinking. I had a 919THI 11 degree for almost 10 years but a few weeks ago while playing, I noticed a 2 inch crack on the sole up by the face. I’m sure it had just happened. Is 10 years about typical for life expectancy for drivers?
Steve No, 2-3 years is much more typical for life expectancy of a Ti driver, for a player who plays and hits balls a fair bit. Most Ti driver manufacturing factories will run a typical air cannon hit durability test to check how many hits at a specific higher clubhead speed it takes to begin to fatigue the face. Typical for that test is 5,000 hits. If a driver goes through 5,000 hits at 120mph and the face radii of roll and bulge only change/flatten by 1″ of radius measurement, the head is considered to be plenty durable enough. Now… Read more »
Hi Tom,
I’m a huge fan and devotee of your club designs including irons (Sterling & 752TC), hybrids (785HF) and woods (929HS). I have a 919THI (16.5*) that doesn’t seem to look like your current design. Were the “old” 919THI’s made with a volume less than 460CC? Thanks!
Thank you for the email.
Its great to hear you are a fan of Tom’s designs, so thank you for that.
The 919 has always been 460cc to the best of my knowledge, the earlier model did have a slightly shorter hosel, so less of the chrome section.
Thanks,
Doug
Tom
I know your a strong proponent of playing the correct length driver. In my case shorter is better. 100 mph with driver. Cut a 45 inch at butt down to 42 and added 24 g to head weight. In theory will this work ? Also cut another to 43 and added 12g to head. Appreciate your thoughts. Pat
Pat The absolute most rediculous thing that all of the other golf equipment companies do is to continue to sell their drivers with a standard off the rack length between 45 and 46 inches. I’ve worked on fitting research aimed at this for over 20 yrs now and fortunately the majority of clubmakers that work with my designs do understand this and rarely to never fit anyone with a 45″ length. Most never go over 44″ and end up around 43-43.5″ for most of the custom fit drivers they fit and make for golfers. The results are obvious – way… Read more »
Amen. Makes me want to start a company just selling 42-44 inch 460cc drivers. F-Squared or FairwayFinder. Any concerns about shaft stiffness, flex, kick point, etc. I started with 45 inches in Stiff and cut to 42. Would you recommend starting with Regular flex and then cutting ? Alternatively would you use 3 wood shaft ? If you built one from scratch how would you go about it ?
Will play with head weights. Initial range results encouraging. Will test on course tomorrow
PAT: The vast majority of the time the shaft never changes from the club being shortened because there are offsetting actions happening. When you cut from the butt end, it being the larger end is more stiff than the tip half of the shaft which is much smaller in diameter. A principle of shaft stiffness design and performance is that the two primary things that control stiffness are diameter and wall thickness, with diameter being three times more influential on stiffness than wall thickness. So to start with, when you cut say, 3″ from the butt, you are getting rid… Read more »
Hi Tom
Just purchased the 919 driver 9 degree.
I was going to ask, can one open up the face angle. The clubhead sits a little closed for me.
Points a little left.
With the bendable hosel…?
Thanks Tom
Regards
David
David Yes, absolutely, that is one of the primary functions of the bendable hosel. You will need a way to clamp/secure the head to enable bending. Few of the usual loft and lie bending machines have this capability since most are developed to bend irons only. But a few out there can accommodate drivers/woods/hybrids for bending. Once clamped, for a more open FA, you bend the hosel in the direction away from the face, as if you are bending the hosel backward, away from the target. The CP4 hosel is soft, it bends with about the same effort as any… Read more »
Tom,
Interested to hear your take on Bryson Dechambeau’s driver issues highlighted at the Open this week. Noting his club company’s response, from a a clubhead designer’s perspective, is it even possible to build a driver for a golfer who swings like Bryson?
DAVE I think Bryson is finding out that his 190-200+mph ball speeds is pushing the threshold of performance and known face performance dynamics for drivers that are made the way they are. I believe this could have been seen with the long drive guys except for the fact no one thinks anything odd when they see a long drive guy hit one that just goes off the planet. Everyone thinks that it is a really bad swing brought about by trying to swing that hard. And most of those off the planet long drive shots probably are. But with a… Read more »
Dear Tom. I’ve been using the EQ1-NX irons for a while and just can’t get consistency with the 9 iron or below. How “out” will the clubs be if these were made to regular shaft lengths for the 9, PW, GW and SW please. Could they still be usable. Thank you. Tom
TOM You can if desired, shorten the 9 and wedges by removing the grip and trimming off however much you wish to shorten these clubs. I would recommend doing that gradually, starting with taking off 1/2″ and seeing how that goes. If you still feel there is a lack of consistency because they are still a little too long, then take another half inch. Do keep in mind that for each half inch you shorten the clubs, they will lose 3 swingweight points and from that, can definitely swing with too little head feel for your swing timing and rhythm.… Read more »
Many thanks indeed for your clear reply
Should i be getting a ping sound on striking a ball with a new 365 f way 3 I’ve just bought,
I have C.F. 555m irons and love them .
Tom 2.7
Tom As one with severe hearing loss who has spent a LOT of time investigating sound (and the lack of it!!) I can definitely tell you that one man’s “ping” sound can easily be another man’s “click” or “thud” sound, because of the big differences in how human ears along with the brain works to process sound. I can tell you that in the several years that the 365’s have been out, I personally have not corresponded nor heard from anyone who said the impact sound was different in any way that could be perceived by some as being deleterious… Read more »
I love the sound of the 365 and it is a great value as well. One thing I have noticed is subtle difference in how it sounds depending on the use of the weight port on the bottom of the club. Each weight 2, 4, 6, and 9 gram and material, brass, tungsten change the sound a touch. I mostly use the hosel bore weight port for my builds, but occasionally use the bottom port. Hope that helps.
Tom,
I’ve read that all things being equal a lower loft driver will have a higher smash factor than the same driver in a higher loft. Is this true? If I wanted a 919 head at 10* loft would I be better off Smash factor wise bending a 9* up to 10 * as opposed to an 11* bent down to 10*?
Gary Not until loft increases to a point of 26 to 27* (combined with a normal Angle of Attack) will you see a high COR face begin to measurably drop below the maximum possible smash factor allowed by the limit on spring face conformity in the rules of golf. First of all, for a driver (or any clubhead with a loft under 26*) with a 257 CT/0.830 COR face, the max smash factor you can get is 1.495. Because all launch monitors have +/- tolerances for picking up clubhead speed and ball speed, you will see an occasional max 257CT/0.83… Read more »
Thanks
Is the 919THI more of a draw bias or fade bias in the standard face? I’m looking for something that is fade biased internally and then bend the face open a degree or two. Wasn’t the old 949MC fade biased? I had 3 of those.
Gary Neither. The last biased driver I designed was believe it or not, back in the mid 1990s, a driver head I designed for Golfsmith called the ACCU CORE 50 with a 45g brass weight embedded in the heel side of the head. Since then I have never done any sort of bias design of weighting in ANY head I have created – at least until next year when there will be a new driver that will be capable of being either draw, neutral or fade biased. The 919 is designed with a CP4 titanium hosel which is a pure… Read more »
I’ll be all over that new driver head for sure
Gary, can we talk about your 949?
Sure? What do you want to know?
Sorry, I’ve been a little busy. Tom says that 949MC is one of his best fairway wood designs. I’m intrigued but right now is hard to find one, also a little pricey for a club of that age. In your experience there’s a club similar to 949MC? I know all Tom’s designs are unique but maybe you can find a similarity of any kind. Thanks.
Diego My comment about the 949 being one of my best fwy wood designs is based on two things, the high COR face and its 1.49 smash factor, plus the shape – it was a “normal shape”, not too large, not too small, not shallow faced and not deeper faced enough to generate any feelings about getting the ball well up to fly. The 949 was my 2nd high COR face fwy wood model. The first one was the 515GRT but to get it to a high smash factor I had to make the face taller than some golfers were… Read more »
Hey Tom, stoked to see you’re still making clubs. My Grandfather, Ken Pattison was a club maker in the early 2000s in Western Canada. I’m still playing with my 360cc 915CFE high launch driver to honor his memory but thinking it’s time to upgrade. Still driving 260yrds and keeping up with my friends and their name brand 460cc’s though.
Can’t beat your quality.
Any tidbits you can offer on what to expect when using a larger club head?
Thank you
KURT Thanks for stopping by! Yes, I remember your Grandfather Ken. I do remember corresponding with him over the years. Good for you that you kept one of the clubs he made. Wow, the 360cc version of the 915CFE was our very first line of woods from back in 2002 when we started the company! The main thing that a larger size head brings is a higher MOI to reduce the amount of head twisting and energy loss when you hit one off center. But really, if a driver has a really well engineered variable thickness face (slightly thicker center… Read more »
tom
can we have a 919 bent by you? looking to get a 54* Lie angle driver head.
Please advise
Mike
Yes. When the head is ordered from Diamond Golf, you can ask for them to bend it before they ship it and they will do that. The 919 is made with a special CP4 grade titanium hosel so it can be bent 4* in any direction – up, flat, open, closed. So your preferred 54* lie is within that range.
TOM
Tom, I recently purchased a set of single length EQ1-NX irons, and continuing to work with John Dranschak at Dead Solid Perfect Golf in Ohio to add a hybrid, 7 wood, and 4 wood (continuing to make use of the advice you gave me in a response from a couple months ago). I’ve been playing with the irons indoor for a month now and very excited about improved consistency from the single length concept, especially from the longer irons as I’m only 5’6″ and I feel like standard clubs do a poor job of accommodating shorter golfers. On that note,… Read more »
KURT Standard off the rack clubs made by the big companies don’t do a very good job of accommodating MOST golfers, not just shorter golfers. You might find 1 to 2% of all golfers who could be compatible with the 45 to 46″ length of std made drivers and that’s just one thing. It is good to hear you are working with John because he is VERY experienced and knowledgeable from many years of working with golfers. I’ve known him for a long time in this business and I know you are in good hands working with him. I am… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Hope all is well.
Is the driver bending machine WITH the molded pads for your various wood designs still available? I know Golfmechanix sell that particular machine, however, the dams do not include prefabricated pads and must be made using hardening putty.
Is a new molded pad needed for each loft for a particular model or are the different lofted heads of the same model close enough to fit in the same mold?
Thanks,
Nathan
Nathan You would have to contact Mondher or Aimen at golfmechanix.com directly to ask them to make the back clamp piece for the bending machine they make for this to be able to secure the drivers and woods/hybrids for bending. These molded clamps were always made with hardening putty and never were made with any type of softer, rubber type material. We just always used a thin sheet of rubber you can get from any supplier like Grainger or MSC in between the putty clamp and the back of the clubhead to prevent any marring of the head, and that… Read more »
Hi Tom, thanks for your detailed and wide answer, which shows me that you know your job and passion better than anyone else.
You are totally right. My driver has a shaft length which is compared to other driver at least 1.5 or 2 inch shorter. This gives me more accuracy but less length. Hope Covid-19 situation in Germany will allow me soon to visit Mike to get a fitting for a new 919 THI. I will let you know the results. Thanks and all the best
Juergen
Hi Tom, I am interested in a new driver but still struggeling which one to choose. I have your clubs since 10 years, build and fitted from Mike McFadden and I am very happy with them. Mike is also my Pro since 10 years and he ist for me the best Pro I have ever had. My driver is your previous model before the 919 THI. I tried already some clubs, i.e. TM SIM, Ping G410, Titleist TSi3, TM M6. What they all had in common was that they were very consistent and forgiving and the carry distance was better… Read more »
Juergen Thank you so much for coming to our website and posting a comment!! Also MANY thanks for having chosen to work with Mike – he is without question one of the very, very best and most knowledgeable clubmaker clubfitters on the entire planet. And your club at Jakobsberg is truly a nice facility and a wonderful place to spend a day. I have had the pleasure of being there 4 or 5 times over the years to teach clubfitting seminars for clubmakers or for the German PGA and I never get tired of the visit because it is so… Read more »
Hi Tom, a couple of weeks ago, I went to Mike for a fitting. He built me a new 919 THI, black finish. The figures: same shaft length but less weight and only 10° and club face -1 closed. Last week I had the first time the chance to play with my new driver and what shall I say, it is really amazing: Less hight, more length, very straight and accuracy as I now often hit the center of the club face and even if I hit it on the toe I do not loose much length and the ball… Read more »
Juergen
I am very pleased to hear that you had the chance to meet with and to work with Mike to get your fitting needs with the driver taken care of. I always know when Mike is doing the fitting that the results are going to be very good for the golfer!!! Good for you and just relax and have fun with this great game now!!
TOM
Have heard mention of new driver, any truth to this? if so when do you think information will be forth coming..any info would be appreciated. My 919tii is doing great love it
Thanks Don Granger
DON Hmmmm. . . now where would you have heard something like that??!! Hmmmm. . . . . mum’s the word but I can say that being in semi retirement with no responsibility for the day to day operations of a business means I can be messing around with a LOT of new things !!!!! ;>) Maybe. . . . . but I can assure you that no way, and I mean NO WAY, can I design a different driver that can be any better than the 919 for ball speed and off center hit performance. It just can’t be… Read more »
good to know you know it’s still a winner Don
Hi Tom. Tony Hood here at TSH Golf in Cincinnati. I’ve been one of your clubmakers since you started Wishon Golf, and even before at Golfsmith. Just wondering ….if…..you were to design a new driver, would it have an adjustable tip? Would certainly be an inventory winner for clubmakers. But what is the sacrifice? Performance?
Thanks for all you’ve done for the industry and especially for the small shop clubmakers.
Tony
TONY Yes, for sure, I know who you are. I appreciate your support, very much. I assume when you use the term “adjustable tip” that you are referring to an adjustable hosel sleeve that is intended to allow the user to change the loft of the driver or woodhead or hybrid head. I will probably design a driver head with an adjustable hosel sleeve TO CHANGE THE LIE ANGLE AND THE FACE ANGLE, but I will never make a driver with a sleeve that is supposed to change the loft angle. The reason is because the only way an adj… Read more »
HI Tom. Thanks so much for that very descriptive response. I have read your thoughts before on the rotating adapter sleeves and I follow what you’re saying. I had a customer mention to me the other day that you might be coming out with a design like that so I wanted to hear it from you directly. My current Golf Mechanix loft and lie machine will not clamp to bend the wood heads so I have order them from Diamond bent to order. But they do a great job and respond very quickly so it makes it hard for me… Read more »
TONY I understand completely when you say that it is tough to think about dropping the change on a separate bending machine that would pretty much be used only to bend the drivers, woods and hybrids that I design with the special bendable hosel. As to the “latest news and rumors” there might be something to what you heard from the customer who must have had his ears to the rails to hear something about a future model. This rumor might see the light of day come 2022 but with all these delays in the head making business these days,… Read more »
Tom, looking forward to seeing your new driver design. I am hoping that although I love the looks of the Black Oxide finish that you also continue to offer the conventional finish, especially for the face of the driver. I understand it may not be possible or may not make economical sense, but one can only hope/dream. In any event looking forward to seeing all your new designs for 2022 and beyond.
Joe
Hi Tom, on the topic of shafts, I’ve been reading quite a bit recently on spining and flo’ing and thought there’s no one better to ask. I’ve got the 85g black shaft in my driver. Are you an advocate of flo’ing? There seems to be a bit of confliction regarding where the spine should be inserted into the head. Some say the 12 o clock position, others say it should point to the target and I’ve even seen a few say it should be set at 45°! Would really appreciate any info as I’m keen to do this through my… Read more »
Craig First off, if you could see any of my S2S graphite shafts in raw uncut form, you could look at the butt end and see a red and white line drawn about 4″ long on the unpainted end of the shafts. These are the stable plane testing lines put on by the shaft making factory when they perform a stable plane orientation test on EVERY S2S shaft they make for us. This is done before the shafts are painted and logo’d so when the name of the shaft goes on, it goes on in line with the red line… Read more »
Tom, thanks so much for your detailed response. Very much appreciated. I had my driver shaft shaft flo’d with a laser recently and it was installed in the 12’o clock position so I’ll obviously have to move it. Many thanks, Craig
Hi Tom
I have a 919-HL-13 driver with a Wishon Blue Stiff shaft built to a 44′ playing length.
The shaft has a 46′ raw length with a 23.75 balance point.
What does butt trimming the shaft to get to 44′ playing length do to the balance point?
Since the weight comes off the butt side of the shaft I am guessing that the balance point moves lower.
My reason for asking is that I plan on ordering your new driver when it comes to market but I may look at a different weight Wishon shaft.
PHIL To be totally honest with you, balance point is the least important of all the shaft specs and pales in comparison to the importance of the weight, flex, bend profile and torsional stiffness. Balance point is what happens after the designer comes up with the flex and bend profile and weight of the shaft – it is a by product of those three elements. It is also related somewhat to what type of composite material the designer chooses to use in the shaft. Main point is that balance point is not considered a separate fitting element in a shaft… Read more »
Tom
Thank you for your insight with regards to shaft specs.
I will be sitting down with Rick McKinney in Woodstock, Ontario over the next few months to select the shaft options that will optimize my Wishon driver performance.
PHIL
that’s fantastic to hear because you could not pick a better clubmaker to counsel with for your fitting needs. Do be sure to say HI to Rick from me when you see him. I’ve corresponded with him frequently over the years about club tech stuff and from those back and forths I know he is one of the more innovative and knowledgeable thinkers in clubfitting these days.
TOM
Tom
I just got the 919 driver this season and I love it! I was curious though to know if the black oxide comes in 9 degrees as well. I was told it was only available in 11 and 13. Here on the website it also says 9. I wanted the black oxide version but still like my driver.
JOHAN Thanks very much for stopping by the website to share your nice comment about the 919 you played with this season! Glad to hear that it is behaving itself in your bag!! We do not offer the black finish version in a 9* loft, only in the 11 and 13 because those two lofts are by far the models that have the highest demand. With the conventional finish version of the 919 in 9, 11, 13, and 15.5 and left hand in 11, adding on the 11 and 13 in black makes 7 different 919 models that we have… Read more »
No worries. I just got confused because it says here on the website the black version is available in 9 degrees. Just a typo I assume.
Johan
Thanks for your understanding. And yes, because there are SO MANY little technical bits of information that we have to keep track of to convey in the catalog and website, I don’t think there has yet been a year when our proofreading has caught every single mistake in the information!! But we keep trying!!
TOM
Tom: I want to give Kudos to Bill Wietzel.(from the greater Cincinnati area), who I have known for many years. I am now a very satisfied owner of the 919THI driver. Bill definitely has the passion for club fitting and his 20 plus years in the club fitting industry gave me confidence as we worked together to find the best solution for a new Driver. I am 60 years old and play to a 3 handicap and when I completed the driver fitting I knew exactly why this club selection was the correct choice for me. He is dedicated to… Read more »
Phil
That’s great to hear that Bill nailed it with your specs for the new 919 driver! That’s music to my ears, and really, because Bill is a fantastic fitter I am not surprised one bit that you were pleased with his work to help you enjoy this great game a little more. Thanks so much for your interest and your support!
TOM
Tom, Been a fan of yours since the mid 90’s, back in the Golfsmith days. Congratulations on semi retirement but we sure miss Wishon Golf being here in the states (although Diamond is great to carry on the legacy). The 919 THI is a very nice driver head design, great traditional look, and the bendable hosel is a fantastic design, definitely the best hosel design in the industry. The only thing I don’t like about it is the sound, but that’s strictly a personal thing. The rumor is you’re working on a new driver design. If so I’d like to… Read more »
Thanks so much John, very much appreciated that you have followed what we have been trying to do over the years. That’s great. It is unusual to hear that you are not enamoured with the impact sound of the 919. I am being totally honest to say that this is the first time in the over ten year history of the 919 that I have heard anyone say that about the sound. I personally hate loud sounding drivers and worked very hard to avoid that with the 919 and all my driver designs, but at the same time to not… Read more »
Tom Had my irons and woods fit by Marc Hocutt in cathedral city Ca he is no longer doing fitting. Has someone else in the desert started doing fitting with wishon,,have your 919tii 3 driving wood and 5 wood 870 irons have loved them might be time to get some different shafts I am willing to spend the money to try. But will need a fitter.
DON
I would recommend you contact ADS Golf in San Marcos at either adsgolf@sbcglobal.net or 760-736-8269 and tell them that I told you to contact them to work with you for a fitting session. (That’ll put them on their toes!! HA! All kidding aside, ADS’ founder Gene Bonk is retired but he trained the people who took it over from him VERY WELL so you would be in good hands there if it is not too far from where you live. You can find out a little more about them at their website at adsgolf.com .
TOM
Tom have 919 s2s white shafts 11 loft do you have any shafts that might give me a little more distance? 78 years old swing speed about 85 to 90
Hi Don,
I’m 75 and believe me your SS is probably nearer 70. I’m using the Blue shaft in A flex and am very happy with flight and distance.
Had SS measured within last 6 months and it is 85 to 90 my average drive Apx flight and add another 20 or more for roll out. My launch is not steep but mid flight