919THI DRIVERS
Wishon Golf’s Most Popular Driver Design in a Wide Variety of Custom Fitting Options
Features:
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919THI Drivers available in both conventional finish and a Black Oxide finish – all designed with Wishon’s unique bendable hosel
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Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off center hit performance in the game
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All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor
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The 919THI is also available in a beautiful black oxide satin finish with a striking but subtle red top crown highlights for the most modern cosmetic appearance
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Available in conventional finish version in RH 9°, 11°, 13° and 15.5°. LH in 11°. Black Oxide version in RH in 9°, 11° and 13°
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Hi Tom, thanks for your detailed and wide answer, which shows me that you know your job and passion better than anyone else.
You are totally right. My driver has a shaft length which is compared to other driver at least 1.5 or 2 inch shorter. This gives me more accuracy but less length. Hope Covid-19 situation in Germany will allow me soon to visit Mike to get a fitting for a new 919 THI. I will let you know the results. Thanks and all the best
Juergen
Hi Tom, I am interested in a new driver but still struggeling which one to choose. I have your clubs since 10 years, build and fitted from Mike McFadden and I am very happy with them. Mike is also my Pro since 10 years and he ist for me the best Pro I have ever had. My driver is your previous model before the 919 THI. I tried already some clubs, i.e. TM SIM, Ping G410, Titleist TSi3, TM M6. What they all had in common was that they were very consistent and forgiving and the carry distance was better… Read more »
Juergen Thank you so much for coming to our website and posting a comment!! Also MANY thanks for having chosen to work with Mike – he is without question one of the very, very best and most knowledgeable clubmaker clubfitters on the entire planet. And your club at Jakobsberg is truly a nice facility and a wonderful place to spend a day. I have had the pleasure of being there 4 or 5 times over the years to teach clubfitting seminars for clubmakers or for the German PGA and I never get tired of the visit because it is so… Read more »
Have heard mention of new driver, any truth to this? if so when do you think information will be forth coming..any info would be appreciated. My 919tii is doing great love it
Thanks Don Granger
DON Hmmmm. . . now where would you have heard something like that??!! Hmmmm. . . . . mum’s the word but I can say that being in semi retirement with no responsibility for the day to day operations of a business means I can be messing around with a LOT of new things !!!!! ;>) Maybe. . . . . but I can assure you that no way, and I mean NO WAY, can I design a different driver that can be any better than the 919 for ball speed and off center hit performance. It just can’t be… Read more »
good to know you know it’s still a winner Don
Hi Tom, on the topic of shafts, I’ve been reading quite a bit recently on spining and flo’ing and thought there’s no one better to ask. I’ve got the 85g black shaft in my driver. Are you an advocate of flo’ing? There seems to be a bit of confliction regarding where the spine should be inserted into the head. Some say the 12 o clock position, others say it should point to the target and I’ve even seen a few say it should be set at 45°! Would really appreciate any info as I’m keen to do this through my… Read more »
Craig First off, if you could see any of my S2S graphite shafts in raw uncut form, you could look at the butt end and see a red and white line drawn about 4″ long on the unpainted end of the shafts. These are the stable plane testing lines put on by the shaft making factory when they perform a stable plane orientation test on EVERY S2S shaft they make for us. This is done before the shafts are painted and logo’d so when the name of the shaft goes on, it goes on in line with the red line… Read more »
Tom, thanks so much for your detailed response. Very much appreciated. I had my driver shaft shaft flo’d with a laser recently and it was installed in the 12’o clock position so I’ll obviously have to move it. Many thanks, Craig
Hi Tom
I have a 919-HL-13 driver with a Wishon Blue Stiff shaft built to a 44′ playing length.
The shaft has a 46′ raw length with a 23.75 balance point.
What does butt trimming the shaft to get to 44′ playing length do to the balance point?
Since the weight comes off the butt side of the shaft I am guessing that the balance point moves lower.
My reason for asking is that I plan on ordering your new driver when it comes to market but I may look at a different weight Wishon shaft.
PHIL To be totally honest with you, balance point is the least important of all the shaft specs and pales in comparison to the importance of the weight, flex, bend profile and torsional stiffness. Balance point is what happens after the designer comes up with the flex and bend profile and weight of the shaft – it is a by product of those three elements. It is also related somewhat to what type of composite material the designer chooses to use in the shaft. Main point is that balance point is not considered a separate fitting element in a shaft… Read more »
Tom
Thank you for your insight with regards to shaft specs.
I will be sitting down with Rick McKinney in Woodstock, Ontario over the next few months to select the shaft options that will optimize my Wishon driver performance.
PHIL
that’s fantastic to hear because you could not pick a better clubmaker to counsel with for your fitting needs. Do be sure to say HI to Rick from me when you see him. I’ve corresponded with him frequently over the years about club tech stuff and from those back and forths I know he is one of the more innovative and knowledgeable thinkers in clubfitting these days.
TOM
Tom
I just got the 919 driver this season and I love it! I was curious though to know if the black oxide comes in 9 degrees as well. I was told it was only available in 11 and 13. Here on the website it also says 9. I wanted the black oxide version but still like my driver.
JOHAN Thanks very much for stopping by the website to share your nice comment about the 919 you played with this season! Glad to hear that it is behaving itself in your bag!! We do not offer the black finish version in a 9* loft, only in the 11 and 13 because those two lofts are by far the models that have the highest demand. With the conventional finish version of the 919 in 9, 11, 13, and 15.5 and left hand in 11, adding on the 11 and 13 in black makes 7 different 919 models that we have… Read more »
No worries. I just got confused because it says here on the website the black version is available in 9 degrees. Just a typo I assume.
Johan
Thanks for your understanding. And yes, because there are SO MANY little technical bits of information that we have to keep track of to convey in the catalog and website, I don’t think there has yet been a year when our proofreading has caught every single mistake in the information!! But we keep trying!!
TOM
Tom: I want to give Kudos to Bill Wietzel.(from the greater Cincinnati area), who I have known for many years. I am now a very satisfied owner of the 919THI driver. Bill definitely has the passion for club fitting and his 20 plus years in the club fitting industry gave me confidence as we worked together to find the best solution for a new Driver. I am 60 years old and play to a 3 handicap and when I completed the driver fitting I knew exactly why this club selection was the correct choice for me. He is dedicated to… Read more »
Phil
That’s great to hear that Bill nailed it with your specs for the new 919 driver! That’s music to my ears, and really, because Bill is a fantastic fitter I am not surprised one bit that you were pleased with his work to help you enjoy this great game a little more. Thanks so much for your interest and your support!
TOM
Tom, Been a fan of yours since the mid 90’s, back in the Golfsmith days. Congratulations on semi retirement but we sure miss Wishon Golf being here in the states (although Diamond is great to carry on the legacy). The 919 THI is a very nice driver head design, great traditional look, and the bendable hosel is a fantastic design, definitely the best hosel design in the industry. The only thing I don’t like about it is the sound, but that’s strictly a personal thing. The rumor is you’re working on a new driver design. If so I’d like to… Read more »
Thanks so much John, very much appreciated that you have followed what we have been trying to do over the years. That’s great. It is unusual to hear that you are not enamoured with the impact sound of the 919. I am being totally honest to say that this is the first time in the over ten year history of the 919 that I have heard anyone say that about the sound. I personally hate loud sounding drivers and worked very hard to avoid that with the 919 and all my driver designs, but at the same time to not… Read more »
Tom Had my irons and woods fit by Marc Hocutt in cathedral city Ca he is no longer doing fitting. Has someone else in the desert started doing fitting with wishon,,have your 919tii 3 driving wood and 5 wood 870 irons have loved them might be time to get some different shafts I am willing to spend the money to try. But will need a fitter.
DON
I would recommend you contact ADS Golf in San Marcos at either adsgolf@sbcglobal.net or 760-736-8269 and tell them that I told you to contact them to work with you for a fitting session. (That’ll put them on their toes!! HA! All kidding aside, ADS’ founder Gene Bonk is retired but he trained the people who took it over from him VERY WELL so you would be in good hands there if it is not too far from where you live. You can find out a little more about them at their website at adsgolf.com .
TOM
Tom have 919 s2s white shafts 11 loft do you have any shafts that might give me a little more distance? 78 years old swing speed about 85 to 90
Hi Don,
I’m 75 and believe me your SS is probably nearer 70. I’m using the Blue shaft in A flex and am very happy with flight and distance.
Had SS measured within last 6 months and it is 85 to 90 my average drive Apx flight and add another 20 or more for roll out. My launch is not steep but mid flight
Are we getting a new driver in 2021?
TOM
Good to hear from you! Well. . . . . . . there is a rumor to that effect I gather! Uhhhh, not much to say because the effects of the pandemic certainly have had an effect on things like this in terms of timing. Possible though for sometime next year but I’m not sure exactly when since there is a lot of work yet to be done. Here’s a little hint question. . . . what number is exactly halfway between 919 and 519?
HA!
(The other Tom!!)
Hi Tom ,
I have had a full set of Wishon clubs for c 10 years and they are brilliant . I love the 919 driver which was really well fitted by Richard Kempton from Kent . A couple of friends are very interested in getting the driver but have been saying that the 919 has been around a long time and surely driver technology has moved on a lot in 10 years so shouldn’t they buy one of the major brands eg Taylormade . How should I respond ?
thank you ,
Peter
By telling them that they are talking out of there arse!
PETER Here’s how. . . . 1) since 2005 all drivers made by quality companies are at the limit for COR. No driver made has a higher COR other than by luck of the draw so to speak. All the big company drivers have a +/-0.1mm face thickness tolerance so at random when you buy one of these you could end up with a COR of 0.820 or 0.828. Because we are a small engineering company with little marketing, our production runs for the 919 are much smaller. As such we pay the factory extra to perform 6 different face… Read more »
Tom,
Thank you for such a clear and comprehensive reply. Time I got a new driver as well.!!
Peter
Hi, I am researching drivers and have settled on your 919. I have a swing of 95 give or take a couple. Will the S2S White shaft at 44″ handle this speed. It is an average load swing.
Steve If you use the White shaft, at 95mph you should be in the S flex version for sure. Only if you had a very late and aggressive release would the White S not be the choice for you at 95mph clubhead speed. In that case you’d be better off with the Black 65 or 85 because of its stiffer tip section design. So if you have a mid way to ever so slightly later release with avg tempo you’ll be fine with the White S. But do not go more than 44″ for the playing length of the driver… Read more »
Hey Tom, just wondering what the lowest and highest lie angles are that I could get the 919THI driver to bend to.? Is it possible to find a driver that can have a lie angle bent to say around 50*? Thanks for your time!
TK
+/-4* from the spec lie of 58*. Someone with a lot of bending experience and the right machine of course and a solid mandrel in the hosel bore could get to 52* lie but it would be dodgy to try to push it all the way down to 50*. It would be very hard to prevent the hosel from deforming so the bore would go oval at lies much different than that.
TOM
Tom, thanks for the response. Are you aware of any driver that could have such a flat lie angle? Maybe manufactured with a low lie angle initially? Thanks again!
TK No, you would never find a driver made that way or even made as flat as what I choose for my starting lie spec for drivers. Besides, no one other than me has designed a driver or wood or hybrid with a bendable hosel because all the other golf companies are engaged in a “standard off the rack” business model to give them a much better chance to sell clubs in volume to make more $$$. Years ago I did special bends on one of my drivers, some woods and hybrids for Dennis Walters’ to use. Dennis is the… Read more »
Hello Tom, I have a 919 THI (8.5 degree hand picked by you for Charlie Sampson) and I wanted to know if you make a shaft recommendation for me. My go to driver that has been perfect is a Ping i20 with a Ping TFC 707 D true x-stiff shaft. I first tried a Tour AD DI-7 matched up to the TFC and the flight was too low although the shaft didn’t feel boardy or harsh at impact. I then put the same shaft I have had great success with in all of my Sonartec 3 woods and Miura hybrids,… Read more »
CRAIG From what you say about not being able to have success with the driver using the shaft you like in your woods, I don’t think that anyone could offer a long distance recommendation for a shaft that would perform as well as the one in your woods. The reason is because it is very unusual for a player to not be able to hit a driver with the same shaft that performs and feels so well in the woods. There has to be something in the area of how the longer length of the driver is changing the bending… Read more »
Does the 919 THI need a collard ferrule?
TOM
No, the 919 as with all of my driver models, accepts a conventional ferrule of 13.0 mm bottom OD with an ID for a 0.335″ parallel tip shaft. The top inside edge of the bore is beveled a lot to create a cushion of epoxy to protect the shaft at the area of the top of the hosel when the shaft is installed.
TOM
Tom:
I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. Answer is very helpful. God bless you.
Tom I have a 460 949 Driver, a 525 Driver, and one of your original 919 Drivers which I gave my son. I am struggling driving the ball after a couple of years away from the game. Would their be any considerable advantage to getting a 919 THI closer to my specs vs the 949 and the 525 I already play sometimes? I got a head from Maltby and can kill it, but it is constantly open and I hit it all over the course! Thanks for the help in advance!!
SCOTT
If you hit the Maltby driver very solid a high percentage of the time, then what that is telling you is that the length + the total weight + the swingweight must be very good for you and your strength and swing tempo/force. So if you had a 919 with the same shaft, same length, same swingweight but far less open face angle that should be a proper recommendation for you. Or convert one of the other drivers to the same length, shaft, swingweight as the Maltby driver.
TOM
Hi Tom ,
i have a set of sterling(5I to SW) plus fairway woods 929HS 3&5 in lefthand.
I am looking now for a driver from your compagny .I m interested in your 919THI 11deg
I called Arnaud Maurin in France ( i am french :)but he told me that he is not doing lefthanded club anymore . What could you please recommend.
Thank you for your help.
Stephane
Stephane Thank you very much for your interest in our custom design models of clubheads for custom fitting. I would recommend that you contact professional clubmaker Andre Thaon. Andre has a very successful custom fitting business that he operates by shop and website that is based in LePecq, a suburb of Paris. Andre also has the ability to work by email and phone with golfers who are not close to LePecq to offer quality custom fitting. You can contact Andre at (email) golfnswing@gmail.com – (phone) 33-139-161-860 – (web) http://www.golfnswing.com . Thank you again and the very best to you in… Read more »
Tank you for your answer.Should i understand that driver are avalaible in left hand?.
Stephane
The 919THI driver is available in left hand in the 11* loft model. It is possible that the clubmaker can order the head with a special hand select option to get one of these at 10, 10.5, 11.5 or possibly 12* lofts if a slightly different loft is better for you than the spec 11* loft.
TOM
Hi Tom
I’ve had a complete set (forged cavity back irons and 919 fairways and driver) that I had made maybe 7 years ago. My old 919 driver broke at the hosel yesterday (cracked where the hosel meets the head). How do the current 919 heads compare to the one I had? I know you can’t answer but do you think the shaft could be reused and just a new head expoxyd on? I had the whole set matched and I’d love it if the club felt the same as the old ones.
Jeff Very sorry to hear that time took its toll on the driver head. The vast, vast majority (99.75%) of the 919 drivers stay intact forever but it is remotely possible that something like this can and will happen. Current welding line failures happen on around 1/4 of 1% of all driver heads but usually that happens within the first year or two. So for you to get many years before this happened means that it was just fatgue over time and many shots that eventually worked its way into a crack on the hosel welding line. We’ve made the… Read more »
Hello Tom I’ve followed you from afar for some years now ever since I saw ‘so you think you play the same clubs as the pros” Your ideas for the club or recreational golfer are so great in helping people understand what they are striving for but follow the wrong path quite often in trying to achieve it, so good on you for educating us. My old mate Bobby hit his 5 wood further and straighter than his driver I had to send him links from your guides as to why, I tried and finally gained a Cobra ladies head… Read more »
JOHN Many thanks for your kind words about the information we provide. I do take trying to help golfers seriously because there is so much bad information out there that is spun strictly to try to get people to spend money. I’m pleased to hear that your friend has gotten some help and is making life a little more difficult for you guys who play with him!! The 919THI driver has been in our product line for now well over ten years. When I first designed it, I had not yet thought about how to incorporate a bendable hosel on… Read more »
Hi what have you available in offset drivers
GERRY
Thanks very much for your interest but I am sorry to say that we discontinued the last offset driver model in our design line a few years ago due to simply not nearly enough demand to keep it in the line. Most clubmakers today choose to fit golfers with a slice tendency into a driver of the proper loft that has then been adjusted to have enough of a closed face angle to reduce the slice to manageable terms. Once again, sorry we do not have exactly what you seek but I do thank you for your interest,
TOM
Hello Tom,
I am not new to golf but I do not play often maybe a couple rounds a year. My 16yr old son is pretty good for being a recreational player. HE has taken an interest and we are making plans to play. Should we both get fitted for a driver or is that overkill? I have always struggled off the tee.
JOE In the case of the driver, yes, definitely you both should be custom fit by a good, experienced custom clubmaker. Not at any of the retail golf stores that only sell off the rack big company clubs but by an independent custom clubmaker. The reason is because all the men’s drivers made by the big brand companies are way too long for the vast majority of golfers. For over 20 yrs now it has been known that the longer the length of the driver, the more difficult it will be to control and to use to hit the ball… Read more »
Tom, I have your hybrid, e wood and 4 wood and you mentioned sand blasting the face in f the driver. Could I do the same with the hybrid? It doesn’t seem to spin enough either. Also, could I sand it with paper instead of sandblasting?
Steve
You will never get the face rough enough with hand sanding to substantially increase friction and from that, spin. Sand blasting is the only good way to do that and if possible to do it with aluminum oxide sand cuz that will leave a nice consistently rough surface.
TOM
Tom, I have preordered a set of the EQs. I love the Wishon shaft in my sterlings, should I order the same shaft in the EQs?
STEVE: I have always been someone in all of my fitting research to believe that if you have a shaft model that you presently like a lot, there is absolutely no reason to reinvent the wheel and go out to look for something different. Only if there have been issues that make you suspect the shaft is part of the problem should you go into a whole new search for the perfect shaft for you. This is one area where “if it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.” Thanks so much for your interest and your support of what… Read more »
Tom, I had another question about the driver. I have a 919 but I am finding that i am such a low spinner of the golf ball that my off center hits tend to knuckleball out of the air and hook like crazy. i own a GC2 with HMT and know my numbers very well. i am finding that at 110mph club speed that if i miss the center by as little as 1/2″ toward the toe that even with a slightly open face to path relationship, i hit these 1400 and less rpm spin balls that hook off the… Read more »
Steve This is going to require that I get a little more info from you before I can offer any opinion so I apologize for asking you to respond back to me before I can take this farther. What is the real loft of the driver you have that gives you the 13* launch angle and 1700-1900 spin? And do you know your angle of attack with the driver? If not, that is ok because I can extrapolate it from the LA if you let me know the loft. And what ball do you currently play? Thanks for getting back… Read more »
I wasn’t sure my last response posted. Here are two typical drives
Aoa. 7.1 up
Path. 3.2 in to out
Face to path .5 closed
Dyn loft. 16.2
Launch 14.8
Spin 1374
Side spin 661
Start line .7 left
Hooked 47 yards
Carried 259
27 degree decent angle
The one above is my nemesis
Shot 2
7.1 AOA
3.1 path
3 face
19.9 DL
18.8 launch
4.8 start line
1588 spin
192 side spin
Finished 10yds right slight draw
Carried 270
39 degree decent angle
One ends up perfect and one hooks off the planet and neither have any spin
Steve: Thanks for all the info but you neglected to include the main thing I want to know which is the real loft of your driver. Also what brand/model of launch monitor was used to get these numbers you shared? Until I get that info I can’t say for sure but the one big thing that sticks out in your info here is the very high angle of attack. I can guarantee you that until you get that down to 2-3* at the most, you will continue to struggle with low spin and have problems keeping the ball consistently in… Read more »
I don’t know the actual driver loft other than it is stated at 9. (Taylormade aeroburner) My impact positions are very similar in look to Dustin Johnson and the club head is “not” passing my hands. Flipping it is not one of my issues LOL :). However, i do hit up on the ball trying to gain carry distance. My launch monitor is a Foresight GC2 with HMT. i am a 4 handicap and my driver swing speed is 108. The dynamic loft number i gave you for both swings is measured by the GC2 and should be the actual… Read more »
Steve Thanks much for the quick response. The math is not exactly like that because of other variables but close enough for sure. I still have to stand on my previous comment about the A of A being the main reason for your low spin. That high of an A of A is just not conducive to the best quality ball flight for your clubhead speed. So if there is anyway you can reduce that as much as you can, you will see better results overall. In the meantime you could have a friend sandblast the face of your driver… Read more »