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The new look 919THI Driver retains the ultimate range of custom fit adaptability, designed with Wishon’s unique proprietary bendable hosel
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Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off centre hit performance in the game
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All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor
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The 919THI is available in RH in Low Launch (9º), Mid Launch (11º), High Launch (13º), and High Launch+ (15º), and LH in Mid Launch (11°).
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Hi Tom,
What is the vertical COG on the face of this driver in mm?
Thank you!
BEN The balance point on the face of the 919 driver head is 38mm up from the sole. But do keep in mind that the VERTICAL CG position in a driver is virtually meaningless because we hit the driver off a tee peg, 99.9% of the time we use the club. The tee peg combined with your swing characteristics is what controls the CG position relative to the ball at impact. With other clubs that are hit off the deck, this is where vertical CG position does have a key bearing on the launch angle and spin and shot height.… Read more »
Tom I’m considering replacing my old 919 which I’ve enjoyed very much. I’m 75 so I’m swinging about 80-85 mph my 919 is shafted with a ust dhi A flex which I really like.I’ve just started a stack and tilt swing.I’ve been at the range twice with this swing.I’m liking it it seem’s powerful to me but I had some trouble with lower pulls and hooks not unusual for me even with my old swing I’m not a slicer.Thus I’m considering getting my new 919 with 15 degree loft and have you adjust the face angle to square .Tom what… Read more »
Michael I do remember your name from previous correspondence over the years and THANK YOU so much for your support and interest since the old G-smith daze!! When it comes to shafts, I have always taken the approach that is it ain’t broke, there is no need to go out and try to fix it. You said right off in your comment that you have enjoyed the UST shaft very much. Sadly I am not familiar with the exact bend profile of this UST shaft since I have not had any of those shaft samples to do a full bend… Read more »
How much is this driver?
Many thanks
Glenn Thank you very much for your interest in the 919THI driver. All Wishon Golf designs are exclusively sold to golfers through independent custom clubmakers who fit and custom build the models for each individual golfer. No Wishon Golf designs are sold in standard, one size fits all form, as are the clubs from all the major marketed brands. The clubmakers are the ones who set the retail price based on their skills, service and overhead. Therefore we ask you to go to the link at the top of the home page on wishongolf.com for FIND A CLUBMAKER. Click on… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Should the driver be the same length as woods for a true one length setup? I’m confused how that would play, given that woods play off the ground with left of centered ball placement, and drivers play off left heel while beeing teed up. How does that work with same length clubs?
Robert No, the driver has to be considered its own separate club in the set, independent of any length decisions for single length woods. The reason is because if you chose a single length for the woods based on our recommendations of between 40-41″, the driver would be too short and would cost you distance that you wouldnot want to lose. And on the other hand, if you make the woods the same length as say a 43-44″ driver, then the woods would be much too long and too difficult to control and hit with reasonable consistency. So when looking… Read more »
Hello Tom! I love the new design of the 919 THI. I have built a “Mini bomber” at 43.5″ with a 11 deg head and Aerotech Claymore MX 60 F5 shaft. One thing I noticed is that it has a more tingy sound at imapct than the old head. This is my average numbers from indoor (Trackman). — Club Speed: 107.6 mph. AoA: 2.5 up. Ball Speed: 161 mph. Smash: 1.50. Launch Ang: 12.1 deg. Spin rate: 2246 rpm. Height: 102 ft. Carry: 271 yards Total: 295.5 yards (Longest outdoor: 319 yards). I’m very happy with the build. Kind regards… Read more »
Christher
. . . . and I am very happy with your report!!! Thanks so much for letting us know! (the only thing I am sad about is that I am old so my own clubhead speed is nowhere near your 107mph!!!!! HA!)
TOM
Haha. With a “normal length” driver (45.5″) I have a clubhead speed at 115 mph. But my misses will be severe compared to this mini bomber.
I allways has been more successful with mini drivers. Had A Aeroburner Mini driver at 12 deg and 43,5″ that I could hit long and put the ball in play.
Do you know where I can buy the molds for driver and fairway wood bending? I have one of your loft and lie machines but I can’t find the molded bending kit
Steve
The only place that can both make the molds as well as supply you with the materials to make them yourself is golfmechanix.com who are the makers of all the top club making machinery and tools in the industry. Contact the owner and lead design engineer for golf mechanic at mondher@golfmechanix.com and tell him Tom sent you. Hope this all works out well for you!
Tom
Dear Tom,
after 12+ years I am assessing to get some new gear. I was fitted by Mike McFadden in 2011 and have amongst others the 919THI (irons 560 MC, FW 929HS and hybrids 775 HS). On the internet, I found some pictures of the stunning design of the 719MW Driver. Could you indicate when the design will be available?
Best regards from Stuttgart, Germany
Marc
MARC MAny thanks for taking the time to search and find some information on the new 719MW driver design. It’s great to hear you were at Jakobsberg working with Mike for your fitting. He’s simply one of the best on the entire planet and in addition to the quality fit, you had the chance to be at a pretty nice place up above the river. It’s a really nice place and I am pleased to have been there four times myself over the years to speak at PGA educational seminars that Mike organized there. Thanks for your kind superlative on… Read more »
Thank you Tom for taking the time for your comprehensive answer. Mike is really outstanding. At the beginning, Mike didn’t want to get me a fitting and didn’t want to sell me any clubs. He said “you have got no Golf swing, you should work on this first”. But as I learned so much about golf and a good golf swing during our first meeting, I decided to become his student. So for about a year, I regularly drove from Stuttgart to Jakobsberg (2.5 hours!) to take lessons with Mike and he became my Pro. And after the third lesson… Read more »
MARC Thanks so much for sharing the story of your beginning with Mike. Wow, that is quite a commitment you made to drive that far on a regular basis! That certainly sounds like Mike from what you describe and I will be sure to share your post with him. He’s semi retired and still lives up on top of the hill very close to the Jakobsberg course, but the clubfitting business is run by his son in law Mario who studied under him for quite a few years. So I am confident that Mario is picking right up where Mike… Read more »
Tom
Thank you for your comprehensive answer re the 585. I will give them I try. I did not know that Mauricio is now running Mike’s former business. I know Mauricio as he received his PGA formation by the time I was at Jakobsberg with Mike in 2011.
All the best for you – and I hope for all of us, there a still some great designs from you to come!
Very warm regards from Stuttgart
Marc
Tom
In assembling an MOI matched set of clubs, do you recommend that the driver and fairway woods have the same MOI as the irons, or should it be different?
JIM Absolutely superb question Jim, because it would be logical to assume the driver/woods should have the same MOI as the irons. Glad you asked it so I can have a chance to answer and explain why. In a successful full MOI matching fitting experience, the driver and woods tend to be on average, 75 g-cm2 higher in MOI than what the irons are. The reason for this is because in the full set, there is usually a big gap in length between the shortest wood and the longest iron. And length is a much more influential factor in determining… Read more »
Tom
Thanks for your detailed response. One other question I have is how close in g-cm2 do the clubs need to be to be considered matched? What would the range in gm-cm2 be where one could call the clubs matched?
JIM
My pleasure. Clubs in an MOI matched set that are within 5-10 g-cm2 of each other are considered to be EXTREMELY well matched. Anything under 20 is OK, but 10-15 is really a creditable range to be in for a proper MOI matched set. I believe that no one could detect a difference of 5-10, not even a tour player because a gram-cm2 is very, very small.
TOM
Tom
The new 2023 hybrids and fairways looks great. Can’t wait to test them out!
I also read there is a new 919 and 719 driver on the way. I’m playing the current 919 so I was curious how the new drivers differ in design and performance. Always nice to hear this from the brain behind the product!
Johan The new 919THI is primarily a cosmetic upgrade to the model. The previous version had been in the line for quite a few years and we felt it was time for a makeover, so to speak! All of the performance elements and features – the variable thickness cup face construction, the bendable hosel, the shape, the OI, the CG positions, etc., are all the same as before because quite honestly, I have felt for some time that I could never design a better PERFORMING driver than the 919. So I didn’t try when it was time to do this… Read more »
And the statement above shows once again why Wishon is THE brand to go to !! Other companies would wax lyrical about how their new carbon, speed slot, jailbreak, adjustable perimeter weighting etc etc technology will add MILES to your drives (which of course, is all just marketing hype). Tom Wishon tells it as it is, fundamentally a cosmetic upgrade to a driver that is already, arguably, the best on the market bar none. If you are thinking about getting custom fit, stop thinking, find your nearest Wishon approved club fitter and make the call. I have gamed 919THI, 365… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Any updates on when the new 719MV might be available?
DAVE I am sorry but I don’t have the latest info on the delivery schedule for the 719MW driver heads. Once I finish everything in my work to design it and sign it off, the scheduling for the production and shipping is in Diamond Golf’s hands. I would recommend you call or email them directly to ask because they’ll know more about that than do I. Toll free calling from the US/Canada is 844-552-3437, from the UK is 0800 083 7388 and email is sales@wishongolf.com – as a help if you email to get to the right source, ask to… Read more »
Just a heads up, the new 719MW is now available!
Tom, I’m going to start working with Ed Ellis in a few days to custom fit driver for my bag. I have Wishon single length clubs from lob wedge to 4 wood now and find them key to my game. I’ve saved driver for last. I’m wondering if recent experience with my current TaylorMade Burner 10-degree driver and my Wishon 4 wood is helping me understand your premise about driver loft for senior players like me. My swing speed with driver is about 85-90, sometimes a bit more. I can reach 200-205 yards with my driver choked down to 43″.… Read more »
STEVE With an 85-90mph driver clubhead speed, DEPENDING ON YOUR ANGLE OF ATTACK INTO THE BALL, it should be possible to optimize your driver carry distance to be around 220-225. But as I said, that all depends on the A of A. So when you work with Ed, assuming you’ll be on a decent launch monitor, watch that A of A to see what it is. 220-225 should be possible as long as your A of A is not downward to any degree. But if you are level 0 with the A of A, a launch angle of around 14*… Read more »
Thanks for the explanation, Tom. I hit a couple practice drives this evening ending my short game practice. I paid attention to the ball flight and its apex. I topped out at about 65 feet. Carry distance was 200 and 208 yards. I’ll be curious what Ed and I figure out about my angle of attack. It’s going to be fun. Thanks again.
Steve
Steve
Yes I will be interested to hear how it goes and what Ed comes up with for you. 65 feet for a driver apex seems a bit low for your clubhead speed, in terms of max carry it is I think. But driver shot height is a trick thing because you have to gear it to the firmness/softness of the fairway. Dry, firm fairway conditions always calls for a lower launch angle and height than what would be optimal for max carry to maximize total distance. Wet, lush fairways are all about maxing carry distance. Have fun!
TOM
I’ll let you know Tom. Thanks.
Hey Tom, I’ve been using an early model (~2013) 919THI w/SP700 face for quite a while now. I’ve always been a huge fan of drivers with SP700 faces, I’m apparently one of the few golfers who can notice an appreciable difference compared to materials like 6-4 or even 15-3-3-3. Almost every driver that I’ve ever truly loved over the years, has turned out to have an SP700 face (which I often didn’t know before I fell in love with it). I’ll be honest, I wasn’t a fan of the feel/sound of the 6-4 face that the 919THI switched to back… Read more »
JAMES The only way one could tell one of the older 919s like that would be by its sole design and color. The early 919s all had a plain sole, no swoops, ledges, raised elements of any sort, and it was painted in a dark blue finish. Outside of that one would need to have a $3000 ultrasonic thickness gauge to do a face thickness measurement to tell the difference since the early SP700 faces were thinner, owing to the fact the material had a higher yield and tensile strength than 6/4 so it had to be a little thinner… Read more »
I know the first gen with the blue crown and yellow half-moon shape had an SP700 face, and that one is easily distinguishable because it looks different. But didn’t the 2nd gen also have an SP700 face for a little while? I thought the change to 6-4 happened sometime around 2015, but the 2nd gen redesign happened in around 2011. So wouldn’t any 2nd gen head from 2011-2015 have an SP700 face? But even so, you’re saying there would be no way to tell since the heads are cosmetically identical after the 6-4 face material change?
JAMES I honestly cannot tell you precisely when the change from SP700 came to 6/4 for the face of the 919. I simply cannot remember that in the face of all the many clubhead design projects and development management I have done over the many years I have been doing this. As I said in the other post, the only way to tell is with an ultrasonic thickness gauge (or by cutting the face off to do an alloy ID for the faces!!) since the SP700 face would be slightly thinner due to its higher strength. But again, the COR… Read more »
I wanted to post a follow-up comment on this, as I think I’ve identified a way to distinguish the SP700 heads to the newer 6-4 faced heads. When the 919 was first redesigned in 2011, it kept the SP700 face as well as the short hosel. Then when it was updated again in 2015 with the longer hosel, I believe that’s when the face material was changed as well. So, correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t that mean any head which has the shorter hosel should also have the SP700 face? Based on my research, with the help of… Read more »
Actually, a correction to my last comment. It looks like the bendable hosel was added in late 2013, which is apparently when you also created new plasma-welding tooling dies. At that same time, the verbiage “919THI face forged from SP700 titanium” was removed from the bullet points on the product page, although in the product images which show all of the detailed specs it still said “Face Material: SP700 Titanium”. That remained until July 2016 when it was changed to “Face Material: 6-4 Titanium”. Is it likely that the SP700 face was changed at the same time the longer hosel… Read more »
James To the best of my recollection, the SP700 material was changed to 6/4 in 2016. That was when we changed the factory for the 919 and the new one did not source the SP700 and had no interest in doing so. Which really didn’t matter because COR is COR no matter if the face is SP700, 6/4, 15-3-3-3, 10-2-3 or whatever the titanium alloy. So if the head was 0.825 for the SP700 and 0.825 for the 6/4, it doesn’t have any bearing on the performance or ball speed or whatever. The reason everyone eventually went away from beta… Read more »
Hi Tom, I’m looking to put my 919 back into play after a while not using it (sorry!!) due to me accidentally breaking the shaft while taking my clubs out the car. It originally had the S2S Black in 85g but since then I’ve had some back issues so reckon the 85g may be a bit heavy for me now. I’ve been using a 60g Kuro Kage shaft in my spare TM driver (which I really like). . What I’d like to know is, do I just go straight to the 65g S2S Black or is there something closer to… Read more »
Hi Tom, Has there ever been a comparison by anyone of the 919THI to the latest and greatest from the big name brands? Wondering how a custom fit 919THI would stack up on the Trackman or GC quad launch monitors vs the new Calloway Paradym, Taylormade Stealth, Ping G430 or Cobra Aerojet etc.? Any chance anyone could do a club review on the new 719MV? I remember watching a Rick Shiels video a couple years ago do a review of the Sterling Irons. He seemed pretty impressed but didn’t like the lower ball flight of the 4 and 5 iron.… Read more »
DAVE I have done a little hitting comparison between the 919 and other brand drivers but never published the data because I have always known that comparison test data from a golf company is always viewed suspiciously to be biased. The best way I can tell you to get a far less biased comparison between any of my head designs and any other golf clubs is to talk to or ask any of the long time professional clubmakers what they have seen in their countless actual fittings with golfers in their respective areas. Almost every one of these clubmakers offer… Read more »
Thanks for the great reply Tom. I’ll definitely go to AGCP to see what feedback they can provide. Love your clubs! Just wanted to be able to point guys looking for new clubs in a direction where they can see the data supporting the benefits of the performance the Wishon line provides in comparison to what’s out there.
Thanks again!
Dave
Dave Unlike with every other golf equipment company that simply creates their new club models to only be built to one series of standard specs so they can be more easily sold off the rack in volume, our models are only sold as components to be used by independent custom clubmakers to CUSTOM FIT each golfer. So many golfers have no idea what real fitting done by an independent professional is compared to the BS crap that retailers claim to offer as fitting when people walk into a retail golf store. Real fitting is customizing all 12 of the key… Read more »
Hi Tom What I expected you to say was something along these lines. I wonder if what I’m about to say is valid? There are a finite number of factors that can affect how far a driver can hit the ball, if you are talking about the head itself. These are spring effect (CoR), how much it twists (moi) and head volume (cc). Possibly also off centre hit forgiveness Since about 2006 there have been limits on these elements and all drivers made since around or soon after this time are as close to these limits as you can realistically… Read more »
Frazer I am sorry I should have better qualified that statement I made about loft and distance in my post to the man thinking about bending the lofts of the 771 set to be the same as the lofts of his current set. Sorry about that confusion. Yes, for sure, COR has a big role to play in ball speed and distance. I left that out because I was just assuming an apples to apples comparison between the iron sets for COR, being played by the same golfer. MOI only plays a role in distance for off center hits. I… Read more »
Hey Dave, I have a guy that likes to take his 919 into the shops to test against the latest releases, his club has better ball speeds than most, never beaten, matched occasionally. His latest report was “919THI beats TSR3” I get that kind of feedback often.
That’s so cool to hear Tom! Would love to get his data of the clubs he’s compared his 919THI with, especially if he has data compared to the Paradym or Stealth etc…I absolutely love the 919, so much so I had my friend and clubmaker build me another one after my original that I absolutely used and abused for 3+ years finally suffered a crack. Hate to think how many hits I had on that thing considering how much I play and also hit it on the range. I’m looking forward to enjoying many more rounds with my new beloved… Read more »
Tom the folks At Diamond International and I am sure you have just released fantastic pictures and specs of the new 719MW Driver. I have a few questions for the head. Obviously adjustable on the hosel and a weighting system to help the draw, the fade, and center of gravity either rearward or forward. Your adjustable sleeve .. Will you have your own mechanism or will you use an adaptation of let’s say a Taylormade type or something like the Titleist? What will the head weight for the 719MW be before adding the weights? (raw weight 173 grams or so?)… Read more »
ROG Thanks for your kind comments and enthusiasm about the new 719MW driver. It’s been a LONG LONG time in development. Being able to investment cast the titanium body light enough with proper strength was a huge challenge, so we could incorporate as much as a 30g weight in the head to be able to make a visible difference in shot shape. It is so difficult to cast titanium very thin with proper strength, because molten titanium has the viscosity of molasses. It took some real casting breakthroughs to get the molten Ti to flow and fill every nook and… Read more »
Tom first I want to thank you for your detailed answer. I will buy this driver, but I would also point out that the 919THI Driver with a bendable hosel plus the fact that you can hand select for loft still makes this a more than viable option. I am looking forward to the new wedges. Thanks Tom, Merry Christmas and a healthy New Year!
Hi Tom, After much use and abuse, my much loved 9 degree THI has finally given up. I was hitting bombs at the driving range today when the lovely sound changed. After a few more hits and duds, upon inspection, there was a crack running from the middle of the face right to one the lines on the sole of the club ill be happy to share pics if you email me. My replacement is going to be another THI. I’ve tried newer drivers over the years but always come back to using the THI. Thanks for making a great… Read more »
NIK Just like with us humans, there is a life expectancy for driver heads. Thankfully ours is a lot longer than a driver head (!!) but still, that means you must have had several thousand hits with it before it decided it was time to retire! I really do have to say it has been very satisfying to have created the 919 because face performance wise, I just think it’s almost impossible to make a driver better. Then when I had the chance to tweak it with the bendable hosel, it just went down in my book as a driver… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Would you have any suggestions on how one could obtain this clubhead? I live in Canada and frequently visit the United States.
I am a short individual with long arms. Thus I play my clubs very flat (5 iron@ 55.5 Degrees).
This is the first Driver that I’ve seen that is capable of being bent to 54 degrees flat.
Marc Thanks very much for your interest. I can tell from your question that you are not familar with our company and how we do business so please allow me to explain so everything is clear. We sell our designs as component heads, shafts, grips only to approved, qualified custom clubmakers around the world, who then fit and custom build the components into finished custom made clubs for end user golfers. We do not sell our components to golfers who are not qualified clubmakers because if we did that, we would have no way to police the quality of the… Read more »
Tom,
Ed Ellis just called me to say he could get 919 clubheads now. You and I had conversed recently about my options. I’m going ahead.
Ed and I haven’t discussed static loft for my new club but I’m wondering if a 13.5 degree might benefit. My current TaylorMade Burner is 10.5. My range with this club is between 180-200 yards with an apex of about 75 feet.
I know fairway conditions will impact my rollout but I’m wondering what to expect with a similar clubhead speed but with a higher static loft? Any thoughts?
Thanks much.
Steve
Steve For every golfer, there is a launch angle for the driver shot that delivers the best combination of carry distance plus roll after landing. Assuming an on center impact, there are two things that dictate the launch angle, the loft of the head and the angle of attack of the clubhead into the ball. The slower the golfer’s clubhead speed, the higher the launch angle needs to be to maximize the carry plus roll of the ball. And vice versa, the higher the clubhead speed, the lower the launch angle must be to maximize carry + roll. If the… Read more »
I think I’ve got it now. Thanks Tom. Ed and I will start working in a week or so.
Steve
Tom, my question is related to my upcoming fitting work on driver with Ed Ellis. I’m curious to understand what is happening on the driver clubface and whether the clubface twists at impact when I hit slightly off center. You mention in your books that an off-center driver strike travels less distance and my experience confirms that. I’m a good 15 yards shorter with an off-center hit, even when the balls travels relatively close to my target line. Is this distance change due to the energy from impact being dissipated slightly by the clubhead twisting a bit? Not enough to… Read more »
Steve An off center hit loses distance in chiefly two ways that both reduce the ball speed compared to an on center hit. First, as you say, the head vibrates and twists when hit off center which causes a tremendous loss of energy transferred from the head to the ball. Second, the face flexes the most in the geometric center of the face. Impact anywhere off the center brings about less face flexing, which also means more energy loss from the face. This one you can see/ measure when you hit shots that are tracked by a high quality launch… Read more »
Thanks for the explanation, Tom. I’ve never doubted your comments about shaft length, but for the last couple of months I’ve seen it in my driver hits. I spray talc sometimes on the driver clubface during practice and have seen the dispersion of my driver impacts narrow as I choke down. Full length dispersion is almost +/- 1.25″ or nearly the width of the clubface. Choking down on the club shaft a couple inches, my dispersion generally is less than +/-.75″ Thanks for the smash factor explanation. I hadn’t understood it before. I’ll keep you explanation in mind when Ed… Read more »
New 919 driver
Just put one together for a customer, his comment was it DOES NOT SOUND like my old one
TOM
I can assure you that the same factory that has made the 919 driver heads for the past 8 years made this latest shipment that came into Diamond’s warehouse last month. Nothing has changed on the head, its specs or its materials or method of manufacture. It can happen that with older driver heads, over time and many hits, the face can fatigue ever so slightly which could possibly make a little change in sound. But there have been no changes whatsoever on the 919 during the time that the factory was closed down due to covid lockdowns.
TOM
I currently hit a Krank formula 6 driver with diamana kahli shaft reg flex I’m 70 and need more distance I was going to buy the new Krank x driver with maximum COR but I found out that it’s non conforming.. I’m looking for the highest COR driver that is conforming please advise. Also should I consider using the same shaft on a new head or is there something better. Thank you. Tom
TOM I am sorry but to my knowledge there is no data out there to tell you what the COR of any driver is. Most companies do try to make their conforming drivers so that they would not be over 0.830 COR when the face thickness is at the thinner limit of the +/ tolerance. Due to every driver in history being subject to normal +/- tolerances, there is no possible way to know what any driver you actually buy will be in terms of its COR. But the range would not be all that much since a change of… Read more »
Tom,
I notice that the 13-degree (and 15.5 degree) heads denote a 1-degree closed face angle.
Could you please elaborate as to why a 1-degree closed face angle was incorporated into the design on these two lofts?
Most appreciated!
RAY The players who are properly fit into the higher lofts of the 13 and 15.5 driver heads will have lower clubhead speeds than those properly fit into the 9 or 11 loft models. This is because in proper loft fitting the slower the clubhead speed, the more loft is needed to properly elevate the shot to maximize carry distance plus roll for most distance. Players with slower clubhead speeds can have a little more of an issue rotating the face back around to be square at impact and can tend to leave the face a little open. This is… Read more »
Tom, I bought a PCF MICRO PRO wedge without test driving it first and am very pleased with its performance. Now, I’m interested in your driver and maybe some irons, but am hesitant to plop down big bucks without taking a demo to the range. The fitter I’m working with doesn’t have a demo. What do you advise? Thanks.
JJ The clubmakers are all independent business people which means they all can run their businesses differently. Because the essence of what they do is purely custom clubmaking based from fitting golfers, every club they build is different, tailored to each golfer. So the prospect of Demos is not all that great because what if the shaft, length, swingweight, loft, etc, is not what YOU need. You hit that demo and don’t like it and you form an incorrect conclusion about the club because it doesn’t fit YOU. Some of the clubmakers do work with special devices called connectors that… Read more »
Tom, I’m going to finish fitting my two fairway woods this week with Ed Ellis and then consider working on a driver. I’m continuing trying to understand the science behind my clubs, beginning with my single length irons and single length hybrids. Driver seems a whole new ball game. I am using a Callaway Burner with a senior shaft right now. I hit it about 180; up to 200 if I hit it in the sweet spot. My swing speed at impact is about 85, sometimes a bit more. I’m sure Ed will have me try out various shafts with… Read more »
Steve On its own, flex does not contribute one thing to clubhead speed. It’s main contribution is to launch angle/spin and shot height and shape of the shot with respect to landing angle and best combination of carry + roll. And then very much, there is a contribution to shaft feel in terms of how well it matches to the golfer’s preferred sense of bending feel in a shaft – if the golfer does have such a preference. Many do not. That right there is how a shaft can contribute to swing speed. If the golfer over time has developed… Read more »
Yes, your thoughts make sense to me. I misnamed my drivers previously. I have TaylorMade Burners not Callaway. Today I put in about an hour at the range trying to understand why I tended to favor one of the Burners over the other. There was a clear difference not so much in total distance but in shot dispersion. I want to be equipped with this sense when I start working with Ed Ellis fitting my fairway woods followed by driver. The senior flex shaft driver, which I’ve been using and currently prefer, tended to fly straighter with a little less… Read more »
Steve First of all, do place your fitting needs in Ed’s hands to let him do the in person analysis and to come up with the recommendations based on his experience plus what he sees. I can only act as an information source while Ed will have the advantage of continuing to see your swing and shot patterns/results. Typically a stiffer shaft can tend to miss more to the right/push because of two possible reasons. One, being stiffer it can’t achieve as much of a forward bend position prior to impact as can a more flexible shaft. When a shaft… Read more »
Tom, your thoughts do help. Your thoughts on the difference between flex and stiff driver shaft fits what I’ve been experiencing and yesterday’s focused practice. My hands tell me there is a bit of whip in the flexible shaft as I get around the ball. I’ve no photo evidence of this but my hands say so. And yes, my EQ1-NX single length irons and wedges are the best thing I’ve done with my game to date. Full swing results are clearly more consistent but my short game work using my single length sand wedge has improved significantly. There is much… Read more »
Tom, Ed Ellis and I got together yesterday on the range to begin fitting fairway woods and talk about working with driver. We used an EQ1-NX 4-wood head and tested three shafts with club length about 40″. He has two more Wishon shafts coming this week and we’ll give these a go next weekend. This practice session was my first experience swinging a fairway wood. Previously my long clubs were standard length 41″ hybrids. So, I had a pretty steep learning curve with the 4-wood. I liked it though. Impacts felt good and I was pleasantly surprised to see my… Read more »
Tom, I’m looking forward to working with Ed Ellis to fit my driver very soon. Ed gave me my 9 wood a couple weeks ago, which is working nicely with my other two single length woods. I have single length Wishon clubs from lob wedge to 4 wood now. Not looking back. Am really pleased. I have a question about what to expect from the new driver, possibly with a higher loft. I currently use a TaylorMade Burner 10.5-degree in a flexible senior shaft. My swing speed is 80-85. My range is around 185-200 yds, rarely any more distance. I… Read more »
Steve The best driver loft for any golfer will be determined by analyzing the clubhead speed plus the angle of attack the golfer generates with the club coming into the ball. Normally the higher the clubhead speed, the lower the loft – and vice versa. But angle of attack has to be included in the final decision because one golfer can have a steep/downward A of A while another can have an upward A of A. Steep/downward always compels the loft to be higher than what the clubhead speed would otherwise indicate on its own, while upward always means the… Read more »
Tom, Thanks for your thoughts. I haven’t had my angle of attack measured with driver but I’m guessing I have an upward angle by the time I reach the ball. If I understand rightly, then I’d need a lower design loft in the clubface than the standard for my swing speed. Ed Ellis will know. I’m looking forward to starting my driver fitting. Loft will only be one detail. I’m particularly interested in shaft specifics too. I already know that my club length will be less than standard for driver. The impact pattern in the picture is for 5 strikes.… Read more »
STEVE
Most of the time but not always, a player that slices the ball will be downward while one that hooks the ball will be lss downward to level to upward. But as I said, not always so that’s why it is better to be analyzed properly. Good luck on the driver fitting!!
TOM
Hi Tom
I see that it seems that the 919THI is no longer offered in the LH model. I understand the challenges with global production. What are current models of drivers, woods and hybrids that are still offered in LH?
Thanks
Lincoln We’re in a bit of a transition phase with regard to many of our models going forward. Much of that transition into retiring some and introducing new models has been “monkey wrenched” (delayed) a bit due to the effects of the pandemic on the factories and supply chain issues so the timing of this is a bit affected. For now the LH models are the 929 and EQ1 woods, the EQ1 hybrids, 979 irons, 771 irons, PCF Micro Pro wedges. The 919 LH driver got whacked when we were working on different new things with the 919 that also… Read more »
Tom, I represent Meadowlake Golf Club in Keithville, LA as their IT person and their “golf club testing person”. I have been playing golf for about 45 years. Over the past 15 years I have owned just about every popular brand name of golf clubs in an obsessive search for the perfect set of clubs. When Meadowlake owner / swing coach / club fitter, Peter Winkler, told me he was interested in doing business with Wishon, I volunteered to purchase the 919 THI Black driver, 929 HS #4 fairway wood, and 989 CLA iron set 5 – AW. I also… Read more »
Andrew Wow, thanks so much for taking the time to not just take a good look at our product line in a thorough manner, but also for stopping by the comments section to share your experience with the models and shafts that you had the chance to hit. I’m humbled and honored by your comments. And to everyone else who may see this, no, I did not in anyway solicit this!! HA! However, I do have to be totally honest and say that it does not surprise me that you were able to find the models could out perform any… Read more »