919THI DRIVERS
Wishon Golf’s Most Popular Driver Design in a Wide Variety of Custom Fitting Options
Features:
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919THI Drivers available in both conventional finish and a Black Oxide finish – all designed with Wishon’s unique bendable hosel
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Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off center hit performance in the game
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All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor
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The 919THI is also available in a beautiful black oxide satin finish with a striking but subtle red top crown highlights for the most modern cosmetic appearance
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Available in conventional finish version in RH 9°, 11°, 13° and 15.5°. LH in 11°. Black Oxide version in RH in 9°, 11° and 13°
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Hi Tom ,
i have a set of sterling(5I to SW) plus fairway woods 929HS 3&5 in lefthand.
I am looking now for a driver from your compagny .I m interested in your 919THI 11deg
I called Arnaud Maurin in France ( i am french :)but he told me that he is not doing lefthanded club anymore . What could you please recommend.
Thank you for your help.
Stephane
Stephane Thank you very much for your interest in our custom design models of clubheads for custom fitting. I would recommend that you contact professional clubmaker Andre Thaon. Andre has a very successful custom fitting business that he operates by shop and website that is based in LePecq, a suburb of Paris. Andre also has the ability to work by email and phone with golfers who are not close to LePecq to offer quality custom fitting. You can contact Andre at (email) golfnswing@gmail.com – (phone) 33-139-161-860 – (web) http://www.golfnswing.com . Thank you again and the very best to you in… Read more »
Hi Tom
I’ve had a complete set (forged cavity back irons and 919 fairways and driver) that I had made maybe 7 years ago. My old 919 driver broke at the hosel yesterday (cracked where the hosel meets the head). How do the current 919 heads compare to the one I had? I know you can’t answer but do you think the shaft could be reused and just a new head expoxyd on? I had the whole set matched and I’d love it if the club felt the same as the old ones.
Jeff Very sorry to hear that time took its toll on the driver head. The vast, vast majority (99.75%) of the 919 drivers stay intact forever but it is remotely possible that something like this can and will happen. Current welding line failures happen on around 1/4 of 1% of all driver heads but usually that happens within the first year or two. So for you to get many years before this happened means that it was just fatgue over time and many shots that eventually worked its way into a crack on the hosel welding line. We’ve made the… Read more »
Hello Tom I’ve followed you from afar for some years now ever since I saw ‘so you think you play the same clubs as the pros” Your ideas for the club or recreational golfer are so great in helping people understand what they are striving for but follow the wrong path quite often in trying to achieve it, so good on you for educating us. My old mate Bobby hit his 5 wood further and straighter than his driver I had to send him links from your guides as to why, I tried and finally gained a Cobra ladies head… Read more »
JOHN Many thanks for your kind words about the information we provide. I do take trying to help golfers seriously because there is so much bad information out there that is spun strictly to try to get people to spend money. I’m pleased to hear that your friend has gotten some help and is making life a little more difficult for you guys who play with him!! The 919THI driver has been in our product line for now well over ten years. When I first designed it, I had not yet thought about how to incorporate a bendable hosel on… Read more »
Hi what have you available in offset drivers
GERRY
Thanks very much for your interest but I am sorry to say that we discontinued the last offset driver model in our design line a few years ago due to simply not nearly enough demand to keep it in the line. Most clubmakers today choose to fit golfers with a slice tendency into a driver of the proper loft that has then been adjusted to have enough of a closed face angle to reduce the slice to manageable terms. Once again, sorry we do not have exactly what you seek but I do thank you for your interest,
TOM
Hello Tom,
I am not new to golf but I do not play often maybe a couple rounds a year. My 16yr old son is pretty good for being a recreational player. HE has taken an interest and we are making plans to play. Should we both get fitted for a driver or is that overkill? I have always struggled off the tee.
JOE In the case of the driver, yes, definitely you both should be custom fit by a good, experienced custom clubmaker. Not at any of the retail golf stores that only sell off the rack big company clubs but by an independent custom clubmaker. The reason is because all the men’s drivers made by the big brand companies are way too long for the vast majority of golfers. For over 20 yrs now it has been known that the longer the length of the driver, the more difficult it will be to control and to use to hit the ball… Read more »
Tom, I have your hybrid, e wood and 4 wood and you mentioned sand blasting the face in f the driver. Could I do the same with the hybrid? It doesn’t seem to spin enough either. Also, could I sand it with paper instead of sandblasting?
Steve
You will never get the face rough enough with hand sanding to substantially increase friction and from that, spin. Sand blasting is the only good way to do that and if possible to do it with aluminum oxide sand cuz that will leave a nice consistently rough surface.
TOM
Tom, I have preordered a set of the EQs. I love the Wishon shaft in my sterlings, should I order the same shaft in the EQs?
STEVE: I have always been someone in all of my fitting research to believe that if you have a shaft model that you presently like a lot, there is absolutely no reason to reinvent the wheel and go out to look for something different. Only if there have been issues that make you suspect the shaft is part of the problem should you go into a whole new search for the perfect shaft for you. This is one area where “if it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.” Thanks so much for your interest and your support of what… Read more »
Tom, I had another question about the driver. I have a 919 but I am finding that i am such a low spinner of the golf ball that my off center hits tend to knuckleball out of the air and hook like crazy. i own a GC2 with HMT and know my numbers very well. i am finding that at 110mph club speed that if i miss the center by as little as 1/2″ toward the toe that even with a slightly open face to path relationship, i hit these 1400 and less rpm spin balls that hook off the… Read more »
Steve This is going to require that I get a little more info from you before I can offer any opinion so I apologize for asking you to respond back to me before I can take this farther. What is the real loft of the driver you have that gives you the 13* launch angle and 1700-1900 spin? And do you know your angle of attack with the driver? If not, that is ok because I can extrapolate it from the LA if you let me know the loft. And what ball do you currently play? Thanks for getting back… Read more »
I wasn’t sure my last response posted. Here are two typical drives
Aoa. 7.1 up
Path. 3.2 in to out
Face to path .5 closed
Dyn loft. 16.2
Launch 14.8
Spin 1374
Side spin 661
Start line .7 left
Hooked 47 yards
Carried 259
27 degree decent angle
The one above is my nemesis
Shot 2
7.1 AOA
3.1 path
3 face
19.9 DL
18.8 launch
4.8 start line
1588 spin
192 side spin
Finished 10yds right slight draw
Carried 270
39 degree decent angle
One ends up perfect and one hooks off the planet and neither have any spin
Steve: Thanks for all the info but you neglected to include the main thing I want to know which is the real loft of your driver. Also what brand/model of launch monitor was used to get these numbers you shared? Until I get that info I can’t say for sure but the one big thing that sticks out in your info here is the very high angle of attack. I can guarantee you that until you get that down to 2-3* at the most, you will continue to struggle with low spin and have problems keeping the ball consistently in… Read more »
I don’t know the actual driver loft other than it is stated at 9. (Taylormade aeroburner) My impact positions are very similar in look to Dustin Johnson and the club head is “not” passing my hands. Flipping it is not one of my issues LOL :). However, i do hit up on the ball trying to gain carry distance. My launch monitor is a Foresight GC2 with HMT. i am a 4 handicap and my driver swing speed is 108. The dynamic loft number i gave you for both swings is measured by the GC2 and should be the actual… Read more »
Steve Thanks much for the quick response. The math is not exactly like that because of other variables but close enough for sure. I still have to stand on my previous comment about the A of A being the main reason for your low spin. That high of an A of A is just not conducive to the best quality ball flight for your clubhead speed. So if there is anyway you can reduce that as much as you can, you will see better results overall. In the meantime you could have a friend sandblast the face of your driver… Read more »
Tom, do you have any feel for when you may release the info or your new single length design? I am currently playing the sterling iron you designed and love it.
anxious to see whats next 🙂
STEVE It will be very soon. The last time I spoke with Diamond Golf about this, they said they would be sending out an email with all the information about the new EQ1-NX irons by the third week of March. So that should be within a short time period. The new catalog will be out before the end of March and that will of course have the full layout for the new iron and its matching wood and hybrid designs as well. I do not know the timing for adding it to the website but that too has to be… Read more »
Hello, I have a driver 5 fairwood and 3 rescue from Wishon Golf, Also the 515 iron set. Recently My swing has changed with the time, so I took the irons tho a local club smith and had the irons flattened 4 degrees. They work perfect now. My question now, if it is possible to flatten the woos too. I would like to have them flatted 2 degrees. What do you recommend? Thanks
Mr. Aguilar The fairway wood models that are bendable for lie and face angle fitting adjustment are the 929HS, 365PF and 950HC. Any other models than those would have been made before I figured out how to design the heads so they could be bendable. But whoever does the bending of the woods needs to have a bending machine made just for woods and hybrids and driver heads. Very few bending machines for irons adapt to be able to be used to clamp a woodhead/hybrid head/driver head for bending. So you’ll have to check with your clubmaker to ask if… Read more »
I can’t find the price of anything anywhere
OLLIE Wishon Golf is a WHOLESALER of our original clubhead, shaft, grip and technology designs to certified custom clubmakers worldwide. The custom clubmakers use our designs when they custom fit and custom build Wishon brand golf clubs for golfers. We do not sell directly to the public because we are completely committed to golf clubs being professionally custom fit and custom built, one set at a time for one golfer at a time, done by a qualified custom clubmaker. No company that sells direct to golfers could ever do that. To be able to see, test or be fit into… Read more »
Hi Tom.
I’m still using your 870 ti irons.I fitted them with Precision rifle 5.0 shafts with midsize grips.To me,nothing comes close to the feel you get with these,and distance is brilliant.A real credit to your craftsmanship.Thanks.
SCOTT Thanks much for stopping in and sharing your experience with the 870s. That model is right at the top of my favorites because it was the first iron I did with a thin titanium face and from that the first iron to actually reach a COR of right on the limit. I still remember having the first samples with me on a business trip to Europe when I had the chance to stop in at the R&A and have them put the 870 on their COR test machine – the actual measurement was 0.829! How the first samples of… Read more »
Tom- New to your site and enjoying it immensely. Is there a practical limit to how short your 919THI driver can be built and still “perform” both in terms of distance and feel (recognizing that factors such as shaft and grip weights, swing speed, etc. impact things)? In effect, at some shortened length, would the driver likely be inferior to a strong 3-wood properly fit, for example? I’m 67 with diminishing club head speed and trending away from my low to mid single digit historical handicap range! Playing forward tees these days and enjoying the game more! FYI: I intend… Read more »
Dennis Many thanks for your interest. We’ve been providing the absolute facts about golf club performance and clubfitting technology for a long time simply because the standard business model of selling in standard form off the rack done by ALL of the big companies is just not the best for the vast majority of golfers. There is definitely a point in shortening the driver at which a golfer will see a decrease in distance because of the effect of a much shorter length on clubhead speed. I see this for most male players at a length under 43″. At lengths… Read more »
Tom, thanks so much for your rapid and enlightening response. I may just follow your lead and replicate your 12-club setup, possibly with the only variation being a 7-wood (21*?) instead of the 21* hybrid. May have some shaft questions for you next! In meantime, I am binge-reading your one-of-a-kind web site.
Thanks Dennis, happy to help in anyway I can. Since you are interested in the information, I can leak that I will have a brand new book, possibly my last since I am getting longer in tooth (!), which will be out in a couple of months. This will be part fun with a section telling many of the stories of my varied experiences through my career, but the second part should be of interest to you because it is an encapsulation of the main technical points I have discovered in my work that are important to the performance, design… Read more »
You have my order for the book already.
I’m a short ass, at 1,66cm,,, 56yrs old, play off anywhere between a 2 to 4 hc , because I chip as good as any pro,,my nick name (ole chip & 1 putt) – my question, as you on shaft length,,,does a shorter person require a shorter shaft ? I play standard clubs, just had the lie angles adjusted on my irons about 2 years back,, they forged.
My driver swing speed 98 to 102 mph.
DAVE Sometimes shorter people require shorter length irons but the main component in iron length is the COMBINATION of the height + your arm length which is best expressed through an ACCURATE measurement of the distance from your wrist to the floor. From the height and W to F measurements it is then possible to reference to what your INITIAL starting length should be with the irons. Swing characteristics like your posture over the ball, your ability to stay down on the ball, your comfort in your stance over the ball all come into play to combine with the initial… Read more »
Hi Tom.
I was hoping you could explain the difference between an investment cast titanium driver vs. a forged one and if can the face of a driver can be cast? Which one is more precise and of higher quality? In the real world is there any difference in performance?
Which method of construction did you choose for the 919?
Thanks!
NATHAN INvestment casting is usually chosen for the method of manufacture for a ti driver if the driver has more intricate shape features on the head such as any sharp angles of ledges or surface changes of the cosmetics or weight distribution of the design. Very intricate shape features cannot be made by forging or plate forming and can only be made by casting. But casting typically leaves the titanium with more voids and inclusions (tiny microscopic holes) which can decrease the toughness or durability of the head a slight amount. So if the designer knows the head could be… Read more »
What I want to know is when is Tom going to start using “AI” and wind tunnels to develop his next SUPER driver head, isn’t that the wave of the future, lol…I’m just kidding of course and putting a dig into the ribs of the Callaway and TMs of the world. Actually on a good note (if you can call it that) I heard in the wind about some of these manufactures may be going back to glued hosel/shafts in the near future, hmmm, wonder why that would be. So what’s old is new again………….I wonder if “AI” led them… Read more »
Walter Why use ARTIFICIAL intelligence when you have 34 some years of REAL intelligence, developed and acquired from all those many clubhead and driver models that I have designed in my career!!? HA!! This is so much like I predicted a few years ago in my writings, in which I stated that as of around the mid 2010s, we who do this kind of work fot to the point we have used up all of the driver design technology that there is to be discovered. The science of driver head performance is most definitely finite. Every coherent, meaningful point of… Read more »
Hello Tom, I am 62 and have a 15,5 HLP with a S2S Blue 45 at 43,5 inches. When I began to use it I was 24 of index and now I am 16.5. My carry was 155 yards, it is now 170 yards. And my trajectories are very high. Could I get 10-20 extra yards with a new shaft (S2S White, etc. ) or do I have to change the driver (13,5 ?) Thank you
VINCE There are two possibilities for getting a little bit more distance. If you feel that your shot height with the 15.5 HLP driver is much too high and you see the ball never roll much at all after landing, you can drop the loft down to 13 and from the lower trajectory you might get enough roll after landing to make your TOTAL distance more than what you see now from the 919 HLP driver. Second, and this one is a little dangerous, if you go longer in length you should see a little increase in clubhead speed which… Read more »
Hi Tom
Can you tell me how far back the COG is on a 919THI driver. I ask as I have an M3 which spins too much unless I slide the weights to the very front.
Thank you in advance, Phil
PHIL
The CG on the 919THI is located very close to 37mm back from the leading edge at the bottom of the face, depending on the loft model you have. If you have the 9* model it is 36.75mm back from the leading edge, and on the 11* it is 37.25mm back from the leading edge.
TOM
Hi Tom,
is this clubhead suitable for a high swing speed high spin player?
Thanks,
Julian
JULIAN The 919 passes air cannon durability testing easily for a 120mph clubhead speedbut if you are up at 125 and higher then you have to expect that the head is approaching its upper limit of normal durability and would/could fatigue over the course of a year to two. Spin wise I have always felt the 919 performed better than most any other driver for higher speed players because of its GRT face design. Pretty much every company uses a vertical face roll radius of 10″ to 12″, with maybe a couple at 14″. I use a 20″ vertical face… Read more »
Hi Tom, thank you for the reply to my earlier post! No harm in the delayed response, i hope you were on vacation! Thank for for the information as well as the possible shaft recommendations. I do believe the shaft was the “firm” version, however I will check with my club fitter/builder (Tim Mosel). I will ask him about the S2S white (I have only tried you S2S black shaft). I will also give the 43.5 in shaft a try as well. One more question I have is, I was fit into a 12 degree driver for optimal distance. This… Read more »
ERIC Yes it was a vacation, which now that I am semi retired, I am hooked on and need more and more of!! HA ! As long as they include golf, and as long as I don’t play badly too ! Since you said you have a 108mph clubhead speed, I can’t imagine you ever wanting to try a driver loft as high as 16*. That would only be applicable if you hit 3w off the tee on a tight hole. For an actual full out first string driver I would think you’d lose distance with the 16* bigly, even… Read more »
Hi Tom, love your products! Had a question regarding shafts for this club. I am working with a club fitter in my area and trying to come up with the right build. I’ve Never and still can’t accurately play a longer shafted driver so I tried the following build and loved it: 919 head Matrix studio 84 shaft at 42.5 inches, approx 265 cpm. Not sure how it was tipped but I could get that info if necessary 16 degree loft Unsure of face angle Well the studio 84 shaft is no longer available and I got along great with… Read more »
ERIC Sorry for the delay in responding as I was out of town for about a week and a half. I enjoy doing the responses to help golfers so no one else was covering for me on the comments responses while I was gone. Hope that it did not inconvenience you too much. In searching our data base of shaft bend profiles, the only Matrix Studio 84 shaft we have in the DB is the Studio 84 in the Firm flex. If that is in fact the actual one you have in your driver, the software shows that these other… Read more »
Tom what happened to the 519SHPR.. did it ever get released. Was there a delay? Thanks for info. Just a fan always interested in your designs. Thanks
JOHN Launching a new clubhead is not something we take lightly here at Wishon Golf. Due to production issues with the samples and first batches of clubheads which arrived here at Diamond Golf HQ in early Spring, we have decided to delay the launch. The main issue was with the strength of lofts, which would make on-spec handpicking a real problem. There were also quality issues which left us no option but to halt launching to our customers who, as we know, demand a quality product from Wishon Golf. So we have gone back to the factory to work on… Read more »
That’s okay it will give me the time to try out the new THi 919 driver and the F/D before I decide to try the new driver head. So far they’re the best I have ever tried. But please do let us know when the new head is ready for release.
Walter
We’ll inform everyone by email and the website will announce it as well. Thanks much,
TOM
Hi Tom, I am demoing a 919 THI driver right now in LH at 11 degrees. Is there any way I can tweak that loft down to about 9.5 degrees? Is that a possibility? I have the Sterling Irons (which I love) now I just want to complete the set, but that 11 degrees is a tad high. Thank you.
Dallas
Dallas Not conveniently, but it is possible. All my driver, wood and hybrid models are designed with a bendable hosel but I did that primarily to offer custom changes in lie angle and face angle, not loft. However, if the hosel of the 11* model is bent 1.5* open, then if you always grip the driver so you address the ball with the face square to the target line, the loft will now be changed to 9.5*. Doing this requires not soling the head on the ground as you would have to hold the head square to the target. That… Read more »
Tom
What is the VCOG of the 919THI drivers?
I am interested in learning how club head designs affect the performance of the clubs. Are there any books and resources that you would suggest me to look into?
Thanks
LINCOLN Since you have a strong interest in this topic, it is very easy for you to find the VCOG to measure yourself. Get a 1/8″ pin punch and secure it in your bench vise vertically. Now balance the driver head on its face on top of the pin punch. It’s not hard to do that. That tells you where the CG projects forward from the inside of the head to the face. The VCOG is 2mm lower off the ground than the mark of the balance point on the face because of the loft. You see, when you balance… Read more »
Tom
Thank you for your reply. I have a simple COG measuring stand from Golfmechanix and I tried to measure the VCOG of the Wishon testing heads I have. They seem to be at 20mm from the top of the crown and a little to the heel side. Really interesting to learn that the actual VCOG will be 2mm lower. The test heads have the Faz-fit connectors so I wonder if the extra weight in the hosel would have shifted the VCOG. I will test again, have a 919THI coming in tomorrow.
LINCOLN If you had every company’s driver head off the shaft to do a balance on the face check of the approximate CG location you would find that pretty much the only way VCOG varies by more than a couple of mm is when you have one driver with a shorter face height vs another with a taller face height. You’ll find that the ratio of how much face is above the CG vs how much is below is virtually the same for all drivers. That comes about just because drivers are so similar in how much mass is on… Read more »
Tom’s Wishons book,Common Sense Clubfitting, is an an outstanding book that explains clubhead and shaft designs and how they relate to the fitting process. That is my go to book. It should be in every golfers/clubfitters library.
I have read Tom’s book twice and always go back for references when something is unclear. I have read Maltby’s book, Jeff Sheet’s book, all are great but Tom’s book is the easiest to follow, the most practical out of all of them. It tells you what matters to get the best performing set of clubs, not the brouhahas that’s out there. I think everyone that is either a club fitter/builder or a golf professional in general should read this book and keep it as a reference.
Hi Tom. I found your statement below very interesting. So, basically we should are you saying that we should not buy premium or upgraded shafts?
“i keep my shaft design prices very reasonable because I believe firmly that this matter of shafts for woods costing $200, $300 is one of the, if not the single biggest scam ever put on golfers in the history of the game. Period. And anyone who tells you different does not know stuff from shinola about shafts I can assure you. “
BRETT: It is possible to find the same exact bend profile (stiffness design from butt to tip) in a $50 shaft or less that you can find in 95% of the high dollar shafts. I know this because from 2006 to 2016 we created, supported and sold our Bend Profile Software program which showed and stated the bend profile stiffness measurements of many different shafts from many different companies in numerical and graph form. With this software it was possible to select any of the 3,000 shafts we had in the data base and then have the software run a… Read more »
Tom, My old 919THI is going great for me but I have noticed that if I shorten up on the grip I seems to get better centered hits. The shaft is 45″ which I am sure is to long for me but that is how it was built. I also have a 44″ brand X driver that is 44″ & I seem to hit it in the middle. Do yo recommend I have my 919 shortened or just keep gripping down?
Also have a 919 FD at 43.5″ that I hit about 5 yards shorter.
Thanks,
Louis
LOUIS BINGO !!! You have just discovered for yourself why a shorter driver is better for the vast majority of golfers. 30 yrs ago the standard men’s driver length was 43″. No one, and I mean no one made one any longer because it was well known that longer drivers are more difficult to hit as straight or as on center as a shorter one. Unfoertunately heavy competition for sales among golf companies starting in the 80s-90s pushed the companies to go longer to try to lure more sales on the basis of golfers hitting one out of ten shots… Read more »
Hi Tom,
Are all your 919 drivers the same “performance” throughout the years? For example, I have an older model with the shorter hosel…is there any benefit getting a new one? Did you do any performance changes?
KEVIN The change of the hosel length of the 919 drivers was done to incorporate a bendable hosel to offer clubmakers the chance to much more precisely custom fit a golfer for a specific lie and face angle that would help his accuracy and an aspect of consistency. Those are certainly performance elements that were affected by the change in the hosel construction. If by performance you mean distance then no, the 919 was always as close to the USGA limit for COR/CT as possible and its off center hit performance has always been at the top because of the… Read more »
Tom, I know this may be an impossible question but I purchased a set of your Sterling iron and LOVE them. Shot the best round of my golf life (even par at Pinehurst) in the second round of my trial. Amazing. Now I want your 919 driver but I dont have a wishon fitter anywhere near me. I have done many fittings and always end up with a mid kick shaft such as a speeder 757 or currently a hazordous Black in stiff and X flex. I bought the superlite in my Sterlings and love them. I also know my… Read more »
STEVE Great to hear you are doing so well with the Sterling Irons. Wow, even at PH is really golfing the ball and shows that you definitely are a player. There are a few of the clubmakers who will work with golfers from afar in a back and forth communication to nail down your specs. Some though insist on working in person with the player. We do not have info as to who will do long distance e-fitting because we just have not asked the question. So let me recommend that you contact a handful of the best clubfitters to… Read more »