565MC FORGED IRONS
Forged Carbon Steel CNC Machined Deep Back Cavity, for the highest MOI in a true forged iron design…
Features:
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Wishon Golf’s 2nd generation 560 Series forged iron adds a more solid on-center feel to the best offcenter forgiveness in a forged carbon steel iron
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New center cavity half-moon weighting increases on-center impact feel while offering a very slight increase in shot trajectory
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Low-offset design also features a slightly thinner top line than the original 560MC
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Completely CNC machined back cavity ensures precise CG position for each head number with a beautiful cosmetic appearance
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Fully radiused tour grind type sole design – this is a model for scratch to middle handicap players
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Double nickel chrome pearl plated finish with glass bead blast highlights – CNC machined scorelines within 2010 USGA rule guidelines
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Hi Tom
Wonderful irons, superb!!
Quick question,,
Have you ever considered incorporating tungsten in your forged iron design??
Thanks
All the best to you.
Regards
David MacLean
DAVID Not in a PLAYER’S forged iron – the only possible benefit of using tungsten in an iron design is to, 1) lower the CG more to assist getting the ball up, 2) increasing the MOI more for better off center hit performance. Both those things have much more of a home with game improvemnt iron designs than with iron designs for lower handicap players. And for a super game improvement iron, it would be better to cast the clubhead than to forge it, with one VERY EXPENSIVE exception – it is possible to forge pure titanium (non alloyed) which… Read more »
565MC are great golf clubs; I’ve played AP2 from the beginning through 718. I absolutely love these 565s. They’re more forgiving and still a forged head. Best of both worlds (+0.2 HC)
Hello Tom, I have purchased the 565 irons 2 years ago, I have been very happy with the clubs however the grooves seem to be wearing off and some iron faces have bad nicks and the top line on some clubs are banged up( I take good care of my clubs) is this due to soft metal?
TOM Absolutely. The 565’s, like all of our forged carbon steel irons, are forged from 1030 carbon steel. In the realm of carbon steel alloys, 1015 is the softest and 1075 is the hardest, with 1075 still being far softer than the common stainless steels used in casting iron heads today. So yes, any low carbon steel alloy iron is going to ding up pretty easily because that is a part of the steel being so soft, comparatively. Two years is a little quick but if you have been hitting balls and playing 3, 4, 5 times a week, that… Read more »
Tom,
Could you comment on the difference (if any) between the sole grind of the 560mc and 565mc. I am a bit steep and can take some decent divots. I really liked the 560mc’s, found them quite forgiving…they were ok through the turf for me. Wondering if the 565’s might offer a little more relief on the leading edge? It’s hard to tell from the pics.
Thanks – Chad
CHAD
Yes, ever so slightly the leading edge is rounded a little more on the 565 than on the older predecessor, the 560. But the sole radius from face to back across the sole is essentially the same on the 565 as it was on the 560. Thanks very much for your interest,
TOM
Hi Tom and others, I’m currently playing minimalist golf and plan to have Bob make me three irons to go with a hybrid, driver and putter. I have some ideas on my ‘perfect’ set makeup, but would appreciate experienced input. I’ve been experimenting with clubs and since I fairly regularly use my 8 iron for punch shots I am thinking of AW, 8, 6, (775) 3H to join a driver and putter. I play my driver up and down the shaft to be able to (roughly) drive to a distance/ green and plan to use the hybrid the same way.… Read more »
Alastair That sounds reasonable to me other than the fact you don’t really have a specific wedge for use from sand or to use when you need to hit very high, soft landing finesse shots around the green. Thus you might consider the SW instead of the AW and you could bend the SW to say, 54* loft so it could still function ok for the sand and for finesse shots but still perhaps have a low enough loft to be a wedge for approach shots too. Also you don’t really have a long 2nd shot club other than the… Read more »
Thanks Tom.
I’ll take you comments on board. I have been tossing up between a #2 and #3 hybrid for some time, currently playing #1 and #2 hybrids rather than woods.
Hi Tom I have recently been fitted for the 565 irons. I am a 17 year old and I’m also 6’6’’ my average 5 iron swing speed in 90-95 mph. I was using mizuno jpx ez cast iron before with regular length shafts which I can keep up and play with anyone I want but I made the decision to invest in your irons fitted by Rick McKinney. With my current bag I am a 12-14 handicap being new to the game (I started playing serious 2 months ago when I started working at craigowan golf club). I got a… Read more »
Alex Thanks very much for taking the time to stop by and visit about your club needs. I appreciate your interest and am always willing to help. First of all, I am VERY pleased you decided to work with Rick because he truly is a very gifted and experienced custom clubmaker. Any time I hear of someone working with Rick I know they will get the best quality fit available anywhere today. There is no tried and true benchmark for how much clubhead speed a golfer will gain from longer length clubs. Sometimes the longer length causes the golfer to… Read more »
Tom, I had my 1st set of Wishon clubs fitted for me almost 2 years ago using the 755pc irons. I had a golf index of 22 at the time. With lots of time on the range and course I am now down to a 14. I was wondering if my golf game would see more improvement if I went to the 565MC forged irons. Sometimes I feel like I struggle coming out of the rough more than I should be with the 755pc. But since I am new to the game I wanted to bring the question to you.… Read more »
Dennis Much as I am sure it would be nice to have such a nice looking iron with that fully milled back design in your bag, I have to be honest and tell you that most likely you would not see much of a difference for how the 565 travels through rough vs the 755 because first, the two sole designs are not all that different, and two, what helps get an iron through rough better has nothing to do with the iron design itself but is all about clubhead speed AND angle of attack into the ball. Both which… Read more »
Hi Tom, My bags consists of all Wishon products and I would guess they are at least 10 years old. Driver 919 THI, 4 wood 949mc, 550 MB/CB 4-pw, pfc tour wedges and Smooth Series 6 putter. MY HCP is 8.6 and I feel like I still give away a lot of strokes around the green and by not being consistent with my 4 wood or 4 iron on long par 4 or par 5S. What are your thoughts on how much technology has changed/improved clubs over the past 10 years? Should I consider upgrading some or all my clubs?… Read more »
JOHN Thanks very much for taking the time to stop by with your questions. We’re always happy to help. Shane is not in the custom club business anymore and has not been for several years now. In terms of your driver head model, there really in all honesty is nothing any better out there – in fact this is why we still have the 919THI in our design line today after all these years! The other driver option we have, the 519, is simply the same technology as the 919 but in a little smaller size for golfers who prefer… Read more »
Thanks Tom! That was very helpful. I will be looking for a new Wishon fitter soon!
last question, I forgot to mention I have a 3 and 5 wood (Wishon 515 fairway) as I adjust my bag for gaps I was thinking I might add one or both back. Can you share your comments on those and if you think I would benefit on upgrading or if I should just keep playing them and pick up a couple of utility clubs to replace my 4\5 irons.
JOHN Sure thing as I have very fond memories of the 515GRT woods. They were my first high COR fwy wood design and in fact I think they were the first high COR wood in the industry. Their original COr was right at the edge of the limit in the rules so you won’t find any woods today that have a higher smash factor or ball speed for your clubhead speed. What you may want to think about is whether the face height ever bothers you – what I mean is that to get the COR up there back in… Read more »
Hi Tom , Hope you are well and enjoying life.
I have been studying your books and videos for a while now , absolutely fascinating.
I am interested in getting all my clubs checked and then either altered or being fitted for a complete new set of Wishon clubs . some club fitters are saying no point in measuring MOI unless I have them BioMatched as well what is your opinion on the BioMatch system that puts weight in the butt end ….seems counter productive to me ?
DAC After we developed the industry’s first MOI matching equipment and technology there have been a few people who have gone from that to add other factors such as balance point or swingweight to go with the MOI match. I don’t discount these because they are all working to try to make the clubs swing more with a similar feel and effort to the golfer. Some of these methods to do this will involve weighting in the butt end so as to allow the balance point to move where the clubmaker wants it. But I do not agree at all… Read more »
Thank you Tom for your reply. much appreciated , I have been talking a lot with Richard Kemp on the telephone, he is on the South coast of England and I am in the North of England spoke for several hours on the phone , he made many references to your work on club fitting etc . He recommended I try and find the MOI on my own first by hitting clubs and using markers and adding weight etc till sweet spot every time…till I get a tighter dispersion of shots..I will let you know how I get on. Many… Read more »
DAC
Very glad to hear you are communicating with Richard Kempton. He is one of the VERY BEST if not THE very best clubfitter clubmaker I have ever known in my entire career. Thanks for your kind words and the best to you in your search for your perfect clubs!
TOM
big thumbs up for Richard. Fantastic clubmaker, extremely knowledgeable, pleasant and makes cracking clubs!
Hi Tom, Hope you are keeping safe. I am here in the West of Ireland and I am working with Kevin Cunniffe in Golftek. I have a set of Taylormade RSI1 which I got 5 years ago and since I have reduced my handicap from 28 to 17. Would have been lower but an addition to household can take up ones time. I have a driver swing about 101mph and my short game is what mainly keeps be back (no time to practice but this year is different, oh wait COVID). With the lockdown and self reflection(buddies started buying clubs… Read more »
JACK Thanks much for stopping by with your question. And thanks much for your well wishes for us during these challenging times. Some of us are very fortunate to have our golf courses open and though with many safety restrictions it is great to still be able to get out there and enjoy the game. I would say that with a 101 driver clubhead speed, you should have enough speed to be able to elevate the shot properly with the 3 iron when you make a solid on center strike. 565 do have what in today’s vernacular might be considered… Read more »
Thanks Tom, appreciate your time and wisdom.
Good Luck
Jack
Hi Tom, some more advise please. Would the playing characteristics of a White 610-IR-S with a tip trim of 1″ be similar to a TT Dynalite 105 gm steel shaft? And of a Blue 607-WD-S with a tip trim of 1″ with a Aldila NV Green 65? (Except for their respective weights, of course). Thanks and with best regards. Pavan
PAVAN The White iron shaft is pretty similar to the Dynalite 100 with the only difference being the Dynalite is very slightly stiffer in the butt but then very slightly softer in the tip. Those two differences sort of cancel each other out to make the shaft pretty close to the White. The NV65 and Blue 55 both have about the same butt stiffness but then the NV is slightly stiffer in the middle and in the tip section than the Blue. So you probably would notice that the NV would play a little stiffer than the Blue. To make… Read more »
Great help, absolutely. Thanks very much once again. Best regards, Pavan.
Hi Tom, I’m considering buying a set of irons and have a couple of questions – (1) what is the major difference between 565 and 575 irons and why would one choose one over the other (2) most wedges have little or no offset but your wedges have a 2mm offset..any advantages or reason (3) some forged irons are made of DT-4 steel…what would the difference be between clubs made of this material and say 1035 or 1025 carbon steel. Thanks. Pavan.
Pavan Absolutely I am happy to answer your questions. 1) There are two major differences between the 565 and 575. The 565 is definitely a larger size head. The 575 is actually slightly small compared to other shallow cavity back models, while the 565 is slightly larger than other forged cavity back irons, but not by a large amount. If you put the 565 and 575 down side by side behind a ball, you definitely would see the 565 being bigger. Second, the 565 has a much deeper back cavity so this along with the larger size means that the… Read more »
Hi Tom, as usual, very very clear and extremely educative, thanks ever so much. And absolutely very helpful in making up my mind. Thanks again. Pavan
Hi Tom, would you recommend the 565 for an 18 handicap player or should I go for the 771?
MARK: In truth, one would need to know a little more than the handicap to offer a more complete/accurate recommendation for an iron head model. But I can respond with some points so you can think about it and make your own decision. The main reason a golf would opt for the 771 over the 565 would be, a) if he felt he needed more distance with the irons which will happen from the high COR face. b) if he felt he needed a strong level of off center hit distance improvement which will come from the variable thickness face.… Read more »
Very helpful .Thank you
Hi Tom, are you planning on more options for left handers, like 565/575?
MICHAEL I am very sorry but the chances of us offering any of our FORGED carbon steel iron designs in left hand are very small to nil. Unfortunately the reason is the far higher cost of making forging dies and the far smaller demand in left hand for clubheads. At present from my experience in design and clubmaking component sales, no left hand model I have offered has ever achieved more than 8% of the demand it does in the right hand version. This is understandable since the percentage of left hand golfers in the USA is only 6% which… Read more »
Having said that. Is the 771CSI Iron a noticeable upgrade from the 770 CFE with the White 610 R Shaft I currently have ?
If there is no discernible difference what would you recommend ?
Thanks Stephen.
Stephen Thanks very much for your interest. We appreciate that very much. The high COR face performance of the 771 and 770 are very close to each other so you won’t experience more distance or better off center hit performance in the 771 to any great extent over that of the 770. The biggest difference is that the 771 is made from a carbon steel body while the 770 is made from a 17-4 stainless steel body. That means if you need custom lie bending to fit you better, the 771 is BY FAR the easier model to bend to… Read more »
Thank you.
I have had the 770 ‘s since those first came out and got the Wishon “White” shafts put in as soon as they first came out. I have been extremely happy with them and want to move up to the next level. As a Leftie I may have to upgrade to a different brand sorry I am too old to switch .. Still have the Driver and Woods in my bag…
Stephen
Stephen I am sorry to have to let you know that the 565’s are not available in left hand, but the 771’s are. For a small specialty design company such as ours, it’s not very likely we’ll be able to offer any of our forged carbon steel iron models like the 565 in left hand because the cost of the tooling dies in forging is just prohibitive compared to the potential left hand demand we might see. Doing a model in LH that is investment cast like the 770 and 771 is a little easier because investment cast tooling dies… Read more »
Hi Tom, We recently spoke regarding my 550c irons. I did increase the lofts -2 and raised my lie 2 degrees and picked up the few yards I had lost so now my yardage’s are back to normal in my mind. I love the 550c. But they are also wearing and I am thinking about the 565 irons. My question….are the 565c irons a similar length to the 550c? One of the things l like best is the length and forgiveness of the 550 while maintaining workability. I don’t like the shorter head “players” clubs on the market. Are the… Read more »
JAY I assume when you aske about the length of the 565 and 575 you are talking about the size of the head, namely the head length from heel to toe. The 565 are slightly larger and slightly taller than the 550s while the 575’s are just ever so slightly smaller in head height and head length than the 550s but not by very much I can tell you. If you do not like the shorter head players clubs on the market then probably the 575s would be smaller than you like while the 565s would be more acceptable to… Read more »
Hello: this may seem like a dumb question: are the 565s and 575s one solid piece of metal? i’m confused by all of the clubs calling themselves ‘forged’ but they are two pieces of forged metal welded together. then usually injected with foam
Richard Not a dumb question all all because you really need to see the forging process to better understand how it works. On that here’s a link to a video that shows the actual process of forging to take a hot bar of steel to a raw forging ready for all the machining steps to turn it into a clubhead – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUfvAjAbxfI The 565 and 575 are forged from one piece of steel, just like what is in the video I pasted the link for. One round bar of carbon steel is heated to soften it and then hit/hammered (forged)… Read more »
Hi Tom: I hope retirement is treating you well. I just switched back to Wishon after a detour I should have never taken to try Cobra. My game completely fell apart and I instantly regained strike and flight control once switching back to Wishon. (I’ll not make that mistake again). The 565’s (5-PW standard lie/loft and length w Recoil 807 regular shafts) are my favorite. Thank you for putting together such great products. Your legacy is being well maintained at Diamond!!! Just out of curiosity, which hybrids might you recommend? My biggest concern are the paint chips and durability on… Read more »
GEORGE Thanks very much for the kind greetings. As long as the prefix “semi-” is ahead of the word retirement, I am fine! Staying as busy as I want with the new design and product development projects. If and when the semi- disappears, then I might be in trouble !! HA! Nice to hear that the 565’s were able to ‘rescue’ you from temptation that you were subjected to !! I was clearing out a few things last week and stumbled across an unused set of the 565 heads in my workshop and it did prompt me to stop and… Read more »
Semi incredible or semi engaged you are most certainly not. You possess both in spades. Grateful for your feedback. Thanks for being so awesome!!!
Dear sir im a ex tour player and have recently started getting serious again , i have noticed that i play very well with light heads and stiff shafts , im now taking over the teaching shoo and range at a famous golf course in Spain and would like too know if you have a club fitter who could do a demo day and also fit me up with the correct set
regards Dave
DAVE There is only one sure way to get what you want in terms of a light head feel with stiff shafts. You’d need to have at least one or two of the clubs that have the correct head weight to shaft flex feel to be disassembled to note exactly what the length, the head weight, and the shaft’s stiffness measurements are. From that it would be easy to determine if the head weight specs of the 565MC irons could be used to get you what you want and a reference could be made to current shafts to find one… Read more »
Hi Tom
I live in Sweden.
Do you know any really good club fitters in Sweden that you will recommend? And can I get the 565 in Sweden?
Best regards
Björn Egertz
Stockholm
BJORN Thank you very much for your interest. Please go to wishongolf.com one more time and click on the link for FIND A CLUBFITTER. You’ll find this link at the top of the home page. Input Stockholm for the City and Sweden for the State and all the clubfitters within 400 miles of Stockholm will be displayed with their contact information. Of these I personally know and recommend Tee View, Brejans and David Leet Golf. Hopefully one of these will be within close proximity to where you live in Sweden. Thank you again and the very best to you in… Read more »
Dear Tom
Thanks for your prompt reply – really impressive!
I would agree that focus and practice required more than anything- may swap my four iron for hybrid but need Richard to check loft and lie first. I have often said he is a victim of his own expertise as the initial fitting was so good! Best wishes
Pete
Dear Tom Greetings from the UK! Still love my 550c/m set (split at 7, rifles at ~5.3) made for me by Richard Kempton. After 10yrs wondering if I should consider a change. What difference might I notice with the 565s? Also, as I reach 50, would you advise that it may be worth me looking at some of the larger cavity backs eg 755PC or 771CSI. Playing off 13, coming back from shoulder surgery. Hit a high ball and distance not an issue? Finally, what are your views on dropping the 4 iron for a hybrid – already did this… Read more »
Hi Tom Greetings from the UK I still love my 550MC set (split at 7 iron) made for me by Richard Kempton. Just thinking about a change after 10yrs or so. what difference should I expect with the 565s? Given that I am reaching my half century (!) would you suggest I took a look at one of the more pronounce cavities eg 755PC or 771CSI? Off to see Richard this week and will of course be taking his advice but still interested in your thought? Playing off 13 and getting back to golf following shoulder surgery. Swing pretty much… Read more »
PETER First bit of advice. . . listen to Richard. I still consider him to be the #1 fitter in the world and I mean that. Yes there are about 10 others around the world who are super good and 100 behind them who will always send a golfer away with the best fit he has ever had, but Richard is in a class up there by himself in my opinion. You know the “problem” with being properly fit is that really, unless the golfer experiences a physical change such as a 10mph change in clubhead speed or a new… Read more »
I am currently playing the Bridgestone J15CB..hit them well, but think that I could hit them better. Going to a fitting at Golfers Advantage this saturday and I am excited to see what he will say. Currently at a 4-6 but looking to drop lower soon. Any recommendations?
JON Sorry this was a little late. I like to do all the answers here and I was out of town for a few days and just got back today to catch up. I am afraid in addition to being late with a response, I can’t help you as much as you would like. What you ask requires me or any fitting expert to know a LOT more about YOU and your swing characteristics, your ball flight/shot tendencies in specifics, and a lot about your ability before being able to offer a coherent recommendation. As a 4-6 you have to… Read more »
Are these clubs in the same category as the Ping I200s (in terms of player irons?). Aside from custom fitting, what other advantages do these offer over the Pings? I’m a big fan of Ping, but had a Wishon 919 driver built for my by Tim Mosel in Denville, NJ and no longer use my G10 driver. The 919 is PERFECT and I am having tremendous success with it. I’m about a 10 to 12 handicap and have been playing G5s for years, but I think it’s time to upgrade. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
RAFAEL Thanks very much for your interest and we’re very pleased to hear that your 919 is performing very well for you. I must say a BIG part of that performance is because Tim is one of the very best fitters on the planet so I am very happy to hear that you work with him for your fitting needs. I wish we had 500 more just like him around the world !!! The 565s are a forged cavity back low offset design so I would say they would be in the same general category as the I200s. I would… Read more »
Hi Tom,
If I order these irons through my preferred club maker, I need them to have a 1 degree upright lie angle. He told me that Diamond performs this service before shipping: can you tell me if they measure each club to be exactly one degree upright from the spec sheet? I know there are tolerances in production, I just wondered if Diamond will adjust to exact specifications based of your design specs? Thank you.
Ben If you ask for the iron heads to be adjusted to 1* upright, they will all be adjusted so they are +1* higher than the listed lie specifications for the model. Or you can specify actual lie number for each iron such as “I want the #4 iron to be 59*, the 5 iron to be 60*. . . ” and so on. All iron heads made by every quality clubhead production factory on the planet are made to a +/-1* tolerance. When Diamond does bends, they measure the heads’ lofts BEFORE the bend to know their starting point… Read more »