565MC FORGED IRONS
Forged Carbon Steel CNC Machined Deep Back Cavity, for the highest MOI in a true forged iron design…
Features:
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Wishon Golf’s 2nd generation 560 Series forged iron adds a more solid on-center feel to the best offcenter forgiveness in a forged carbon steel iron
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New center cavity half-moon weighting increases on-center impact feel while offering a very slight increase in shot trajectory
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Low-offset design also features a slightly thinner top line than the original 560MC
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Completely CNC machined back cavity ensures precise CG position for each head number with a beautiful cosmetic appearance
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Fully radiused tour grind type sole design – this is a model for scratch to middle handicap players
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Double nickel chrome pearl plated finish with glass bead blast highlights – CNC machined scorelines within 2010 USGA rule guidelines
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Thanks Tom!
Tom, from about 2008-2020 I played about 30 rounds of golf a year with a combo set of the 550’s and averaged a hcp of 9. I tend to trap the ball with my irons and hit them low. Thinking I could lower my hcp with some game improvement clubs switched irons first to Maltby TS1’s and then Ping G425’s. I started playing 130 plus rounds a year and am still a 9 hcp :(. Neither really seemed more forgiving than the 550’s and Although the TS1 had some feel, the 425’s lack feel and lack any kind of predictable… Read more »
JOHN The 771s, no question whatsoever about that. The COR with the variable thickness face is pretty amazing if you have never hit that club before, even if I do say so myself!! The 565s are a game improvement iron within the traditional forgings because of the deep cavity pushing the MOI up there pretty good. But in no way do the 565s stand up to the 771s for COR and off center hit forgiveness. No model on its own is going to remedy your tendency to trap the ball. Only adjusting the ball position more forward or adjusting your… Read more »
Hi Tom, I currently play the 550c irons, purchased a long time ago. Am looking to update my clubs and very much like the 565 MC profile. I used to do some club making in the past and still have my equipment. Do I have to be a certified club maker to purchase your equipment? Thanks Joel
JOEL Yes indeed if you have the 550C’s, that does go back a bit, since they were first introduced in 2003. I think we shifted from the 550C to the 555C in the later 00s. 565 is a tad larger in overall head shape/profile than the 550s because the 565 has a much deeper back cavity. So to get the head weights up where they need to be equal to the 550s head weights, the overall head of the deeper cavity back 565 has to be a little larger. But it’s not that much larger, visible for sure but not… Read more »
Hi Tom – I’ve had my 565’s for 6 years now and they’ve just been fantastic. Some of irons are starting to rust around the sweet spot and some look a bit worn from so much usage. Does that affect spin/ball flight much and at what point is it best to replace them?
JOHN No need to replace the 565s because the normal wear and tear after 6 years of play won’t have any effect on performance. From that much use, you are just wearing through the chromium plating on the surface of the face, which is completely normal for any chrome plated iron or wedge that gets a lot of play. Tiny little particles in the dirt or sand will get in between the face and ball and over time that just works on the plating. The rust is just on the surface of the carbon steel and if you leave it,… Read more »
Hello Tom, congrats on the release of the new 585PC irons
I had no idea you had those in the pipeline
Curious to hear your thoughts behind them and the design
MOI will be less than 565’s? Forgiveness for off center hits I mean
Are the 585PC a hybrid of the 565 and 575 designs?
George Keep in mind that I see two distinctly different areas we do forged iron designs in. One, the higher game improvement side which is the 565 and two, the side aimed more at the better player which has been the 575 and now expands to the 585. There was never any intent to make the MOI of the 585 to be higher than the 565 because it is a different model aimed at a different market. So yes, the 565 has a higher MOI by intent, than the 575 or 585. 585 just takes the more shallow cavity of… Read more »
Thank you, Tom.
I now understand that the 585 is a refinement of the 575’s.
That wasn’t clear to me from the product description.
Maybe consider adding some language to the product info to more clearly state that?
I am a big fan of your designs and all that you have done for golfers with your fitting and design expertise
Tom, what’s the standard swingweight of the 565MC irons? Any thoughts on selecting this when buying irons?
PAUL I need to explain that Wishon Golf is not like any other golf company you are used to seeing. All those other companies pre build their designs into standard made clubs that can be shipped to retailers to be sold standard off the rack. Therefore, all those other companies do have to choose a standard swingweight and standard length and standard everything for their club models. Wishon Golf does not sell pre built golf clubs. We sell our clubhead designs, shaft designs and grip designs as COMPONENTS to independent custom clubmakers all over the US and Canada and the… Read more »
Need a 6 iron,p/w and a/w from 565 series(have old 560 discontinued series,stiff steel)….is this possible and what is cost?
Steve
If you are a clubmaker, you can contact Diamond Golf directly toll free at 844-552-3437 to order any individual heads in any set model that you need. or you can email them at sales@wishongolf.com to do the same thing. If you are not a clubmaker, then you will need to get your clubmaker to do the ordering since Diamond Golf only distributes and sells to certified custom clubmakers. Hope this helps,
TOM
Is it possible to get the 3 Iron? It used to be in stock couple of years ago
Julian There used to be a 3 iron in the 565 set when the model was first designed and introduced. However, in the years the 565s have been in the product line, you could just about count the number of 3 irons sold on two hands. Clubhead production factories all have minimum order quantities for manufacturing the individual heads in any set and unfortunately the demand for 3 irons fell way, WAY below what the minimum order quantity (MOQ) is for making the 3 irons. So we had to discontinue the 3 irons in pretty much most all of the… Read more »
Thanks for the swift reply. If I can find the 3 iron somewhere online with some stock-shaft, I can get my clubbuilder to pull it and build the 3 iron to the same specs as the 3 iron I already have right? I am trying to get a second set of irons that matches the ones I already have. I bought them in 2019 with the stiff S2S Red 110 shaft. Did that one change in more than just looks since 2019?
Julian
Yes, if you can find an old 3 iron somewhere like Ebay or in canvassing the golf equipment online forums out there, your clubmaker can pull the shaft and install one to match your current set. All of our shaft models remained exactly the same in design when Diamond Golf underwent the cosmetic change to spruce up the look of the shafts. Hope you can find one of the 3 iron heads.
TOM
If I may make a recommendation to get a Di595 in the 21 degree loft to meet your needs for a 3 iron, the offset is minimal, the feel is very good, as is the performance. You can have your clubfitter get the right shaft for you as well. A shaft to match your irons or a shaft designed for driving irons/ hybrids.
Good point Tom! You’re way ahead of me in your thinking, proving that I must be getting old and tired! HA!
TOM
Below is a pic of the actual colour of the irons recieved. Please advice urgently. It is misleading to say the least.
Warren The picture in this comment post from you is our model 771CSI iron. The other pic you posted is the 565MC irons. These are totally different iron models so I am very confused as to what happened. What model did you ask for to begin with? Or did the clubmaker tell you he was fitting you with a model and delivered a different one? I don’t quite understand. At any rate, the clubmaker or retailer where you got the clubs is where you need to go to resolve this situation because they made the transaction with you. Please let… Read more »
Below is a pic of the irons i was fitted out with. Take note the colour.
Warren A little egg on my face as I see this photo. I’m over here in the states doing my thing for the NEW product development in semi retirement while DIamond is over in the UK doing their thing in day to day operation and maintaining the existing product line. In all honesty, I have never seen this darker finish on the 565MC irons. I had no idea it was changed or being changed or what, I apologize in saying. It always was the chrome plated finish you see on the website. So I need to contact Diamond immediately to… Read more »
Any update on this, Tom?
George
If you are asking whether we are going to expand the cavity back half of the 585 forged irons to include the 8 to wedges, no, we haven’t done anything about that yet. We’ll need to see a full year of sales and feedback from clubmakers and end user golfers before we can make that decision. Odds are that this will happen eventually but it won’t be until late 23 to spring 24 before that actually gets done, I believe.
TOM
Hi Tom
Would you ever consider making single length irons using a forging techniques?
This would be really cool.
Kind regards
Baden Yes and decided not to go that route because of the much higher cost of forging dies and production vs that of investment casting. Forging die cost is 6-7 times higher per head number than inv cast die cost. And the production cost of a forging is about 3-4 times more than the cost of a casting. You certainly can do a single length design via forging but it would end up costing about 2x as much at retail than every other inv cast single length set, if not more than that. Also, the vast number of golfers who… Read more »
Hi Tom
Wonderful irons, superb!!
Quick question,,
Have you ever considered incorporating tungsten in your forged iron design??
Thanks
All the best to you.
Regards
David MacLean
DAVID Not in a PLAYER’S forged iron – the only possible benefit of using tungsten in an iron design is to, 1) lower the CG more to assist getting the ball up, 2) increasing the MOI more for better off center hit performance. Both those things have much more of a home with game improvemnt iron designs than with iron designs for lower handicap players. And for a super game improvement iron, it would be better to cast the clubhead than to forge it, with one VERY EXPENSIVE exception – it is possible to forge pure titanium (non alloyed) which… Read more »
565MC are great golf clubs; I’ve played AP2 from the beginning through 718. I absolutely love these 565s. They’re more forgiving and still a forged head. Best of both worlds (+0.2 HC)
Hello Tom, I have purchased the 565 irons 2 years ago, I have been very happy with the clubs however the grooves seem to be wearing off and some iron faces have bad nicks and the top line on some clubs are banged up( I take good care of my clubs) is this due to soft metal?
TOM Absolutely. The 565’s, like all of our forged carbon steel irons, are forged from 1030 carbon steel. In the realm of carbon steel alloys, 1015 is the softest and 1075 is the hardest, with 1075 still being far softer than the common stainless steels used in casting iron heads today. So yes, any low carbon steel alloy iron is going to ding up pretty easily because that is a part of the steel being so soft, comparatively. Two years is a little quick but if you have been hitting balls and playing 3, 4, 5 times a week, that… Read more »
Tom,
Could you comment on the difference (if any) between the sole grind of the 560mc and 565mc. I am a bit steep and can take some decent divots. I really liked the 560mc’s, found them quite forgiving…they were ok through the turf for me. Wondering if the 565’s might offer a little more relief on the leading edge? It’s hard to tell from the pics.
Thanks – Chad
CHAD
Yes, ever so slightly the leading edge is rounded a little more on the 565 than on the older predecessor, the 560. But the sole radius from face to back across the sole is essentially the same on the 565 as it was on the 560. Thanks very much for your interest,
TOM
Hi Tom and others, I’m currently playing minimalist golf and plan to have Bob make me three irons to go with a hybrid, driver and putter. I have some ideas on my ‘perfect’ set makeup, but would appreciate experienced input. I’ve been experimenting with clubs and since I fairly regularly use my 8 iron for punch shots I am thinking of AW, 8, 6, (775) 3H to join a driver and putter. I play my driver up and down the shaft to be able to (roughly) drive to a distance/ green and plan to use the hybrid the same way.… Read more »
Alastair That sounds reasonable to me other than the fact you don’t really have a specific wedge for use from sand or to use when you need to hit very high, soft landing finesse shots around the green. Thus you might consider the SW instead of the AW and you could bend the SW to say, 54* loft so it could still function ok for the sand and for finesse shots but still perhaps have a low enough loft to be a wedge for approach shots too. Also you don’t really have a long 2nd shot club other than the… Read more »
Thanks Tom.
I’ll take you comments on board. I have been tossing up between a #2 and #3 hybrid for some time, currently playing #1 and #2 hybrids rather than woods.
Hi Tom I have recently been fitted for the 565 irons. I am a 17 year old and I’m also 6’6’’ my average 5 iron swing speed in 90-95 mph. I was using mizuno jpx ez cast iron before with regular length shafts which I can keep up and play with anyone I want but I made the decision to invest in your irons fitted by Rick McKinney. With my current bag I am a 12-14 handicap being new to the game (I started playing serious 2 months ago when I started working at craigowan golf club). I got a… Read more »
Alex Thanks very much for taking the time to stop by and visit about your club needs. I appreciate your interest and am always willing to help. First of all, I am VERY pleased you decided to work with Rick because he truly is a very gifted and experienced custom clubmaker. Any time I hear of someone working with Rick I know they will get the best quality fit available anywhere today. There is no tried and true benchmark for how much clubhead speed a golfer will gain from longer length clubs. Sometimes the longer length causes the golfer to… Read more »
Tom, I had my 1st set of Wishon clubs fitted for me almost 2 years ago using the 755pc irons. I had a golf index of 22 at the time. With lots of time on the range and course I am now down to a 14. I was wondering if my golf game would see more improvement if I went to the 565MC forged irons. Sometimes I feel like I struggle coming out of the rough more than I should be with the 755pc. But since I am new to the game I wanted to bring the question to you.… Read more »
Dennis Much as I am sure it would be nice to have such a nice looking iron with that fully milled back design in your bag, I have to be honest and tell you that most likely you would not see much of a difference for how the 565 travels through rough vs the 755 because first, the two sole designs are not all that different, and two, what helps get an iron through rough better has nothing to do with the iron design itself but is all about clubhead speed AND angle of attack into the ball. Both which… Read more »
Hi Tom, My bags consists of all Wishon products and I would guess they are at least 10 years old. Driver 919 THI, 4 wood 949mc, 550 MB/CB 4-pw, pfc tour wedges and Smooth Series 6 putter. MY HCP is 8.6 and I feel like I still give away a lot of strokes around the green and by not being consistent with my 4 wood or 4 iron on long par 4 or par 5S. What are your thoughts on how much technology has changed/improved clubs over the past 10 years? Should I consider upgrading some or all my clubs?… Read more »
JOHN Thanks very much for taking the time to stop by with your questions. We’re always happy to help. Shane is not in the custom club business anymore and has not been for several years now. In terms of your driver head model, there really in all honesty is nothing any better out there – in fact this is why we still have the 919THI in our design line today after all these years! The other driver option we have, the 519, is simply the same technology as the 919 but in a little smaller size for golfers who prefer… Read more »
Thanks Tom! That was very helpful. I will be looking for a new Wishon fitter soon!
last question, I forgot to mention I have a 3 and 5 wood (Wishon 515 fairway) as I adjust my bag for gaps I was thinking I might add one or both back. Can you share your comments on those and if you think I would benefit on upgrading or if I should just keep playing them and pick up a couple of utility clubs to replace my 4\5 irons.
JOHN Sure thing as I have very fond memories of the 515GRT woods. They were my first high COR fwy wood design and in fact I think they were the first high COR wood in the industry. Their original COr was right at the edge of the limit in the rules so you won’t find any woods today that have a higher smash factor or ball speed for your clubhead speed. What you may want to think about is whether the face height ever bothers you – what I mean is that to get the COR up there back in… Read more »
Hi Tom , Hope you are well and enjoying life.
I have been studying your books and videos for a while now , absolutely fascinating.
I am interested in getting all my clubs checked and then either altered or being fitted for a complete new set of Wishon clubs . some club fitters are saying no point in measuring MOI unless I have them BioMatched as well what is your opinion on the BioMatch system that puts weight in the butt end ….seems counter productive to me ?
DAC After we developed the industry’s first MOI matching equipment and technology there have been a few people who have gone from that to add other factors such as balance point or swingweight to go with the MOI match. I don’t discount these because they are all working to try to make the clubs swing more with a similar feel and effort to the golfer. Some of these methods to do this will involve weighting in the butt end so as to allow the balance point to move where the clubmaker wants it. But I do not agree at all… Read more »
Thank you Tom for your reply. much appreciated , I have been talking a lot with Richard Kemp on the telephone, he is on the South coast of England and I am in the North of England spoke for several hours on the phone , he made many references to your work on club fitting etc . He recommended I try and find the MOI on my own first by hitting clubs and using markers and adding weight etc till sweet spot every time…till I get a tighter dispersion of shots..I will let you know how I get on. Many… Read more »
DAC
Very glad to hear you are communicating with Richard Kempton. He is one of the VERY BEST if not THE very best clubfitter clubmaker I have ever known in my entire career. Thanks for your kind words and the best to you in your search for your perfect clubs!
TOM
big thumbs up for Richard. Fantastic clubmaker, extremely knowledgeable, pleasant and makes cracking clubs!
Hi Tom, Hope you are keeping safe. I am here in the West of Ireland and I am working with Kevin Cunniffe in Golftek. I have a set of Taylormade RSI1 which I got 5 years ago and since I have reduced my handicap from 28 to 17. Would have been lower but an addition to household can take up ones time. I have a driver swing about 101mph and my short game is what mainly keeps be back (no time to practice but this year is different, oh wait COVID). With the lockdown and self reflection(buddies started buying clubs… Read more »
JACK Thanks much for stopping by with your question. And thanks much for your well wishes for us during these challenging times. Some of us are very fortunate to have our golf courses open and though with many safety restrictions it is great to still be able to get out there and enjoy the game. I would say that with a 101 driver clubhead speed, you should have enough speed to be able to elevate the shot properly with the 3 iron when you make a solid on center strike. 565 do have what in today’s vernacular might be considered… Read more »
Thanks Tom, appreciate your time and wisdom.
Good Luck
Jack
Hi Tom, some more advise please. Would the playing characteristics of a White 610-IR-S with a tip trim of 1″ be similar to a TT Dynalite 105 gm steel shaft? And of a Blue 607-WD-S with a tip trim of 1″ with a Aldila NV Green 65? (Except for their respective weights, of course). Thanks and with best regards. Pavan
PAVAN The White iron shaft is pretty similar to the Dynalite 100 with the only difference being the Dynalite is very slightly stiffer in the butt but then very slightly softer in the tip. Those two differences sort of cancel each other out to make the shaft pretty close to the White. The NV65 and Blue 55 both have about the same butt stiffness but then the NV is slightly stiffer in the middle and in the tip section than the Blue. So you probably would notice that the NV would play a little stiffer than the Blue. To make… Read more »
Great help, absolutely. Thanks very much once again. Best regards, Pavan.
Hi Tom, I’m considering buying a set of irons and have a couple of questions – (1) what is the major difference between 565 and 575 irons and why would one choose one over the other (2) most wedges have little or no offset but your wedges have a 2mm offset..any advantages or reason (3) some forged irons are made of DT-4 steel…what would the difference be between clubs made of this material and say 1035 or 1025 carbon steel. Thanks. Pavan.
Pavan Absolutely I am happy to answer your questions. 1) There are two major differences between the 565 and 575. The 565 is definitely a larger size head. The 575 is actually slightly small compared to other shallow cavity back models, while the 565 is slightly larger than other forged cavity back irons, but not by a large amount. If you put the 565 and 575 down side by side behind a ball, you definitely would see the 565 being bigger. Second, the 565 has a much deeper back cavity so this along with the larger size means that the… Read more »
Hi Tom, as usual, very very clear and extremely educative, thanks ever so much. And absolutely very helpful in making up my mind. Thanks again. Pavan
Hi Tom, would you recommend the 565 for an 18 handicap player or should I go for the 771?
MARK: In truth, one would need to know a little more than the handicap to offer a more complete/accurate recommendation for an iron head model. But I can respond with some points so you can think about it and make your own decision. The main reason a golf would opt for the 771 over the 565 would be, a) if he felt he needed more distance with the irons which will happen from the high COR face. b) if he felt he needed a strong level of off center hit distance improvement which will come from the variable thickness face.… Read more »
Very helpful .Thank you
Hi Tom, are you planning on more options for left handers, like 565/575?
MICHAEL I am very sorry but the chances of us offering any of our FORGED carbon steel iron designs in left hand are very small to nil. Unfortunately the reason is the far higher cost of making forging dies and the far smaller demand in left hand for clubheads. At present from my experience in design and clubmaking component sales, no left hand model I have offered has ever achieved more than 8% of the demand it does in the right hand version. This is understandable since the percentage of left hand golfers in the USA is only 6% which… Read more »
Having said that. Is the 771CSI Iron a noticeable upgrade from the 770 CFE with the White 610 R Shaft I currently have ?
If there is no discernible difference what would you recommend ?
Thanks Stephen.
Stephen Thanks very much for your interest. We appreciate that very much. The high COR face performance of the 771 and 770 are very close to each other so you won’t experience more distance or better off center hit performance in the 771 to any great extent over that of the 770. The biggest difference is that the 771 is made from a carbon steel body while the 770 is made from a 17-4 stainless steel body. That means if you need custom lie bending to fit you better, the 771 is BY FAR the easier model to bend to… Read more »
Thank you.
I have had the 770 ‘s since those first came out and got the Wishon “White” shafts put in as soon as they first came out. I have been extremely happy with them and want to move up to the next level. As a Leftie I may have to upgrade to a different brand sorry I am too old to switch .. Still have the Driver and Woods in my bag…
Stephen
Stephen I am sorry to have to let you know that the 565’s are not available in left hand, but the 771’s are. For a small specialty design company such as ours, it’s not very likely we’ll be able to offer any of our forged carbon steel iron models like the 565 in left hand because the cost of the tooling dies in forging is just prohibitive compared to the potential left hand demand we might see. Doing a model in LH that is investment cast like the 770 and 771 is a little easier because investment cast tooling dies… Read more »