Wishon’s classic traditional sole wedge design with milled face and Micro-Groove™ scorelines
- Traditional, narrow sole, classic shape/profile stands as the finest overall shape and set-up behind the ball in a Wishon Golf original wedge design.
- CNC Milled Face combines with Wishon’s unique Micro-Groove™ scorelines to offer the highest level of backspin available in a wedge design.
- Micro-Groove™ scorelines are more narrow and closer together than traditional scorelines – the Micro-Groove design allows the edges of 5 lines to contact the ball at impact while traditional lines only allow 3. This is one more key to the enhanced spin design of the PCF Platinum Wedges
- Designed with Wishon Golf’s unique “zero-bounce heel” – all the bounce has been removed from the heel area of the sole to allow golfers to roll the face open without raising the leading edge. A key to playability from thin grass and even hardpan.
- Numerous wedge fitting options in 52, 56, and 60 degree lofts.
I hope you are keeping well.
I have played these wedges for the past 8 seasons and have gone through 14x 60* heads. They are incredible. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to source heads anywhere ( I would buy 20 of them!) Could you assist?
Thanks so much
(Lahinch, Ireland +4 hcap)
ROSS It’s really nice to hear that you like the PCF Platinum wedges so much. But the tough part is that time goes on, models are retired and when they are, that’s the end of it as far as our inventory goes. We just can’t keep a supply of everything forever, unfortunately. If you were over here in the states I would tell you to go to EBAY to start hunting for other PCFs. Ebay over here is said to be the 2nd largest retailer of golf clubs in the country from all of the sell offers people make on… Read more »
Have you ever thought about making the 60 and 56 degrees of this wedge with score lines all the way out to the end of the toe, a la Callaway PM grind or Taylormade Hi toe? I love this wedge and think it would be so cool if it had score lines and milling all the way out to the end of the toe!
Zion: Thanks very much for your interest and for your kind words about liking the performance of the PCF wedges. In answer to your question, no, I haven’t thought about a full face width of scorelines and will not either. First, you have to be almost as old as me to remember this was done 30 yrs ago or so, so it is not new by any means. I guess one of the adbvantages of being long in the tooth in the golf equipment business is you can remember when much of what gets done and labeled or thought about… Read more »
Hi Tom, Quick question regarding the older PCF Micro Tour wedges and 550 LE irons (a blast from the past I know). I have a 2008 PCF Micro Tour 56 degree (“The Bugler” 2008 limited edition one) and love it, never leaves the bag. Have been playing 550C’s to the AW, and picked up a second hand set of 550LE’s (set 22 of 350, I also have set 152 still in their box…) to try the different sole grind and the Interflexx graphite shafts. The 550LE’s have a SW as part of the set, do you remember what the loft… Read more »
ZACH How about that, you have one of the Bugler wedges that we created for a long past Dalton Ranch member/guest tournament here in Durango!! Not many of those made, I can assure you so that is almost a very quiet collector’s item!! HA! But that was fun to do those for their big annual event. Loft wise, the 550s are old school since they go back to the mid 2000s with the 5 iron at 28* and everything went down and up by 4* increments from there. The SW is 56* with 12* bounce so if you bent that… Read more »
Hi Tom, Thanks so much for the reply. I may just carry the 550LE SW and the Bugler PCF Micro for a while and see which one wins. Hopefully we get out of lockdown in Indonesia soon and the competition can begin! I did vaguely remember that the Bugler was for a special local event in Durango, now I have to add Dalton Ranch to the list of courses I have on my dream list for when I visit the States so I can show off my collectible. One last question, and thank you for your time. Is the sole… Read more »
ZACH No, the sole design on the 555s is more rounded from face to back than the 550s, which was one of the main reasons I moved from the 550 to the 555. Yeah, you know the loft shrinking matter is interesting. You can either have a modern set in which you only can hit the 6 to wedges or you can have an older traditional set in which you can hit the 4 to wedges. Same difference, different numbers, same results most of the time. You are a rare one in that most all other people can so easily… Read more »
Tom – I have a customer looking for a F grind 14 degree bounce in a 56 and a F grind 8 degree bounce in a 52 – curious on how he was so specific on his information he said he answered questions on the vokey website
Any suggestions on which wedge design you have that will be close to those specs
Vokey’s F grind is their plain jane conventional sole design with no “fancy” stuff in the grind. So that would be more like the sole design on our current PCF Micro Pro wedges. However all the Micro Pros also have our zero bounce heel design so you can open the face a little and not have the leading edge rise up so much to potentially add to the chance of blading a shot from firm ground. Vokeys’ don’t do that on any of their wedges.
Good afternoon Tom, I’m a high handicapper (25) that struggles with blading chips around the greens. Coming out of the sand is typically not an issue for me. I’m shopping around for wedges and was curious what you would recommend for my sand wedge and 60 degree. I have not purchased any of your products yet but am very interested in making the switch. Based on my handicap and wanting more of a mid ball flight rather than my current high ball flight would you recommend the 989 or 771 irons. Currently have the Ping G400’s and the heads are… Read more »
CHRIS Based on my decades of experience in pretty much all facets of the game which includes swing knowledge from my years as a PGA pro before I became consumed by the equipment side, I will start this by telling you I bet the reason for both your blading chips and hitting the ball high is because you are unhinging the wrist-cock angle on the downswing in such a way that you are “flipping” the club through the impact area – meaning you are letting the clubhead get in front of the hands before impact. Correct technique is to keep… Read more »
Can’t thank you enough for your time. I am working on those issues with a teaching pro. Hopefully I can get closer to the proper forward shaft lean.
Which wedges would you recommend for me?
I would recommend the HM Series wedges. They are more versatile in that they play well from all types of grass and sand and have a face milling to help with spin.
Thanks again Tom!
Just wondering if these wedges have legal grooves?
Yes, all of my wedge models are made with conforming grooves as per the 2010 rule change for scorelines. The Micro Grooves satisfy the shape requirement for the grooves plus they are within the rule that says line spacing has to be no more than 3 times the groove width.
Super, thanks Tom
Where can I buy the 307— 56 & 60 degree PCF wedges?
JOHN I am sorry but we discontinued the PCF Micro Tour wedges after the 2018 season. They like so many of our other design models had been in the line for many years and it was time to retire them to make room for the HM Series and succeeding PCF Micro Pro wedges. The PCF Micro Pro has the same general shape of the face profile with the same zero bounce heel on the sole as did the original Micro Tour. The HM is really my favorite wedge series in the line now with its custom sole grind and micro… Read more »
Thanks Tom, are these new wedges for sale in the U.S. or just in England?
Also do you know where I can get data on “New Old Stock” shafts, i.e. step distance, parallel tip length, trimming instructions, balance point, weight. etc. for True Temper and Rifle graphite and steel shafts? Maybe 20+ years!
JOHN If memory serves me right sitting here in the US, Diamond Golf only has the 60* loft version of the PCF Platinum wedges left from them being discontinued. Diamond Golf is the only distributor of my designs since I went into semi retirement in 2016. That came about because in the last several years before I decided to semi retire, well over half of our business was in Europe anyway. However, Diamond have established shipping rates and incentives for the US and Canadian clubmakers that makes it very easy and very economical for clubmakers over here to keep ordering… Read more »
Hi Tom, thanks for the information, I emailed Diamond with the requested info so I could buy the wedges. Haven’t heard back so I don’t know if I quality (if that’s necessary). Do I need to purchase a fixed $ amount? Am retired now so don’t build many sets per year. Currently have a set of 770s, love them and have a few folks that would like a set. Know there disc. which current irons would you recommend for them (18 hndcp. 5 iron clbhd. speed 90-92 playing TT Gold Plus S300 soft stepped 1/4″). Thanks, John
JOHN Diamond Golf does sell only to custom clubmakers but they do not have any level of purchases or level of business that you may do in building clubs as a qualifier or restriction. They’ll open up an account for full time clubmakers as well as part time, just as long as you do quality work and that you do not grossly undercut any pricing when you sell clubs you make to a golfer. The iron model most similar to the old 770CFE is the current 771CSI – high COR face, variable thickness face with the body of the heads… Read more »
Thanks Tom, I know most of the club data is in the catalog but have been sidelined from golf and clubmaking for some time ( last catalog I received I believe was 2014 or so). I began tinkering with clubs in 1987 and evolved into making clubs, have acquired every needed piece of shop equipment except an MOI monitor so hopefully qualify. The 771s sound like another great club. John
Craig Mabee (Greater Golf, Endicott, NY) fitted me for your clubs several years ago and put the 56 degree PCF Micro Tour sand wedge in there along with PCF 755 irons and your 3-wood, 2 hybrid and 4 hybrid, mated with a Ping G400 driver. What an upgrade from the old Taylor 360’s I’d been using for years. But that wedge completely changed my short game. I’ll use it till I wear out the grooves, then buy another one. Have to regrip that one club 2-3 times a year. Craig said don’t bother with the lob wedge, you won’t need… Read more »
Steve: A LW and a SW are really two totally different animals IMO. Good wedge players can get by just fine without one because a good wedge player can open the face and control his hands and arm tempo well through impact to be able to hit just about the same type of high soft landing shots with the SW as with the LW. A LW is IMO chiefly dictated by the design of the greens more than anything else. A LW can become a real help on courses where the greens are small, raised up well above the level… Read more »
Tom ,I have a question regarding bounce on wedges . Any thought or interest in putting a 50 degree gap wedge with 10-14 degrees of bounce? It surely seems that the golf manufacturers are making it so that we now need to go to a 48-50 degree loft with some higher bounce options. The gaps between the pitching wedge and gap wedge with some manufacturers at 43-45 for a pitching wedge loft makes it almost impossible to put a standard 52,56,60 make up in the set of wedges. Can I twist your arm to consider a stronger gap wedge with… Read more »
ROGER First things first! Good for your grand daughter that she has an interest in the drums!! Here’s to her parents being able to enjoy her being interested enough to deal with the SOUND when she practices!! HA! I still remember that my folks did deal with my SOUNDS from the basement very well and never complained once! Not real sure about the prospects of designing a gap wedge with as much as 10-14* of bounce. First of all, I don’t ever see a GW being used for any type of sand explosion shot and in my mind, that much… Read more »
Thanks Tom as a hack on the keyboards (I can still find middle c) my persuasion of trying to get her to play piano went by the way side. She has some ability to keep a beat and her Mom and Dad are quite supportive and both musically inclined my daughter playing violin and cello and my son in law playing guitar. Oh and Tom and they have a sound proofed basement
Sound proofed basement? perfect! And you will now be motivated to brush up on your keyboard skills so you can be the melody for her sense of beat and rhythm! Have fun!
Hi tom,whats the bounce on the 56 and 60 please in the pcf micro tour c
ADAM: PCF Micro Tour 56 is 12* primary bounce and the 60 is 8*. Both are designed with the zero bounce HEEL that I began to do on most of my wedges several years ago. This keeps the primary bounce across the toe to middle to partway to the heel side but them on the very heel side of the sole there is no bounce. I do this so players can open the face to hit a cut shot and not have the bounce get in the way of a smoother travel of the sole through the grass, especially when… Read more »
Which wedges spin the ball more? The PCF Micro Pro, or the PCF micro tour?
Looking at the milling on the faces of these wedges it seem that the Micro pro has different milling patters.
Why is the milling style/pattern different on the faces of these wedges? Thanks!
BROOKS Without question the rougher and more pronounced the ridges from the face milling, the more the face will spin the ball. Typically a circular milling will end up being more rough with more friction than any horizontal milling can be. The different milling was just to offer different options to players. Some players just do not like or want a very pronounced circular milling on the face – to some it is a visual distraction and to others who have the ability to release the club to get more spin anyway, they do not want that much spin as… Read more »
1) What was the bounce and offset of the 48* PCF Micro Tour wedge?
2) I have asked Diamond Golf if your various hosel weights are still available (they don’t reply) and they are mentioned but not listed in the current on-line catalog…are they still being made?
Bounce on that PCF 48* wedge was 6*. How have you been trying to contact Diamond Golf? They are always responsive when they actually get the contact, from what I am aware. You can call them toll free from the USA at 1-844-552-3437 or email at firstname.lastname@example.org or email@example.com . Yes for sure, they offer all the hosel bore weights we did – 2g and 4g in brass, 6g and 9g in tungsten. I will tell them they are not on line so that can get fixed.
Are these wedges being discontinued?
CAL The platinum version of the wide sole is discontinued. Forgive me in my semi retirement that I am not as on top of the OLDER models in the product line as I am the new ones I create for it but I think the satin chrome normal finish version of the Wide Sole is still available. I leave decisions about the older models in my product line to Diamond Golf to deal with and determine so I am not as 100% sure of this as I was when I was running the day to day everything for my company.… Read more »
Are these being discontinued or is there a redesign coming for these wedges?
The platinum version of the wide sole is discontinued. Forgive me in my semi retirement that I am not as on top of the OLDER models in the product line as I am the new ones I create for it but I think the satin chrome normal finish version of the Wide Sole is still available. I leave decisions about the older models in my product line to Diamond Golf to deal with and determine so I am not as 100% sure of this as I was when I was running the day to day everything for my company.
Tom, I currently play the Micro Tour wedges. I was wondering if you have any advice on tipping shafts for these. I currently have different shafts in my irons than in my wedges and I was wondering if I got shafts to match should I tip them like an 8 iron?
CHRIS There can be a difference of opinion on actual tip trims for the wedges. I’ve always advised sand wedge trimming for parallel tip shafts to be +1/2″ more than whatever the advised tip trim was for the PW. So if the PW was to be 3.5″ then the SW would be 4″ tip trim. But as I mentioned people do their wwedge trims differently at times, though not with a huge variation. 8 iron tipping for wedges is what many in the industry do to try to get close to the various wedge specific shafts to soften it up… Read more »
In December I was fitted for a Driver and a set of Irons from 4 Hybrid down to a 60 wedge. Really like the look and the feel of your designs. I have one questions. The club fitter who built my clubs had me pick out the heads except for my 56 and 60. He gave me the PCF Micro Pros. I don’t understand why he didn’t offer up the PCF Micro Tours. Is there a significant difference between the 2 and should I mention it?
DENNIS Thanks very much for the kind words of approval for the new sticks you have. I really do appreciate hearing that and am pleased you like them so far. Of the two wedge models the only real differences are the face profile shape of the two designs and then the sole grind difference. The face profile shape is simply a matter of personal shape preference with the PCF being more of a round profile shape while the HM Series are more of an old classic teardrop profile, as the term is used. For the sole grind, to be totally… Read more »
Tom, 1) Any reason to believe a wedge from Cleveland or other wedge specialists would spin more than one of these wedges (which I own)? Meaning that if I assume good technique your wedges should spin just as much as any other leading wedge? 2) What are your thoughts on Cleveland’s cavity back wedge? Do you think a cavity back wedge would be more forgiving than a traditional wedge? Thanks in advance.
Malcolm There is no secret to what makes a wedge more conducive to generating spin. By far, the main influence on spin from the wedge itself is how rough are the flat areas of the face IN BETWEEN scorelines. The lines themselves have very little to do with spin. Their main role is to try to channel away moisture from blades of grass to reduce the moisture that gets in between the ball and the face. But since grooves are quite small in area they can’t channel away very much of this moisture so 98% of the spin on a… Read more »
When you google Wishon design 2018, the PCF micro pro wedges comes up. Can you release some information about the score lines and the face treatment and if the wedge has the same front sole knock down grind as the micro-groove HM series?
Also, will the new hybrid 318 RS more play like the discontinued 785 HF hybrids?
Daniel: The new PCF Micro Pro wedges are designed with a circular milled face and the Micro-Grooves that I first created several years ago. The circular milling is pretty usual in that many other wedges incorporate this when they do face milling. The Micro-Grooves are something I came up with some time ago to be able to put the edges of 5 grooves on the surface of the ball at impact instead of just 3 grooves in the case of normal scoreline lines. We do that by making the grooves to be 0.6mm wide and 2.0mm spaced apart. Conventional grooves… Read more »
Had Tom Miller at AA Golf Clubs in Gsrner, NC Build me a set of micro groove wedges in the gunmetal look, 52,56 & 60 and went to range today they setup well, nice trajectory, very easy to setup to, there was a fellow there that’s is off to PGA Q school, asked him to hit, he loved the micro grooves and the way ball went off the face. I have ping glide 2.0 wedges as well and SM6 volkey and these stand up to them
Just to add an additional comment about the wedges Tom Miller built, most club makers don’t make and sell clubs and play with the customers, but Tom plays at my club and we played today and the wedges spoke for themselves! He had a front seat of their action, thanks again
JERRY How about that – a triple threat for helping you with your game and your equipment – to fit it, to make it and then to play with you to verify it all works well !! Believe me, it can be a pressure situation for a custom clubmaker to play with a golfer AFTER he has done the fit, the build and the sale ! HA! But not for someone like Tom who’s experience and knowledge pretty much makes it so he’s right almost all the time with the recommendations he makes for golfers for their equipment specs !!… Read more »
I understand from one of my Customers that the 48 and 58 PCF Tour wedges are not legal with the USGA, please comment
Tom Miller AA Golf Clubs in Raleigh
Hmm, I thought they were. But I know for sure the 52, 56, 60 are ok and it might just be that we dropped the 48 and 58 from the PCF line pretty quickly after they were intro’d because they just did not have any demand. Sorry about that if there is confusion over that.
I’m playing Sterlings (which I love), but as hard as I tried to keep 8-iron-length wedges in the bag, I just couldn’t ever feel comfortable. So I’m wanting to build 52, 56, and 60 degree wedges in their own single length configuration. I’m targeting these wedges at 293 g head weight. (9g added to AW, handpick LW, and remove 7g from the SW). Have others tried this and been successful?
BRENT This is not an unusual situation although it usually centers on the SW and LW and not the PW or gap wedge. We find that it is about one third of all the players who go with a single length set end up preferring either their old SW and LW if they had one, mainly because over the years they have gotten so used to it that any change in length or weighting or shape and looks will not be acceptable to the player. With the PW and GW, that should not be much of a problem because these… Read more »
Thanks for the quick reply Tom,
My main reason to switch the gap wedge back to a conventional length was shot height. On full swings with the gap wedge (and even worse with the sand wedge) I hit it a mile in the air. I have high swing speed and a nagging problem with flipping through impact, so I’ve always hit it high.
I didn’t feel like I had enough control when my ball was up in the stratosphere.
i have just recently purchased the PCF Micro Tour 48 , 52 and 56 degree wedges but non of them have a C on them .
I have looked at thr R and A and usga websites and these wedges are not listed.
does this mean the are not legal.
love the wedges like everyone says they give great spin
MARTIN That’s strange. The PCF wedges without the C on the back have not been made for at least 7 or 8 years. It’s been so long I forget the exact time without going to look it up. I have no idea how you could have bought such wedges unless they were used and from the first part of the first year of their existence, or if they are counterfeit, which I doubt because Wishon Golf is far too small of a company for clubhead counterfeiters to care about. In the very first year of the PCF wedges existence, they… Read more »
my son plays your driver, fairway wood and hybrids. He is a rising star on the local and regional junior level. He also uses your red and black cart bag. Loves them all, tried to get him to try another driver and he refuses…lol. Anyway reason for the email is we are looking for the zip on front patch that can be embroidered. Do you have anymore of those zip on patches or can you give me the manufacturer of the bag so I can purchase more of the zip on patches? Thanks
CHRIS Ouch. . . I wish there were some of those front pouch pieces left around. On October 1 I handed my product line over to Diamond Golf in the UK to manage and distribute because I decided it was time to semi retire. Diamond Golf chose not to carry the golf bags we had in our USA location because they planned to source new TWGT bags from a familiar vendor in Europe. So the bags we had in September of last year were closed out and all of the pieces and parts were liquidated back then. Sorry about that.… Read more »
I have a question : why adding a 2* offset on wedges ? I’ve read somewhere that helps for short game when chipping with the ball back in your stance. But, personally, I own the PCF micro tour serie and I feel that can be a handicap for lobshots… Am I just having an issue with the look at address or it does make a change actually ?
GREG: First off, offset is measured in millimeters or decimal equivalent inches. Not in degrees. Loft, Lie, Face Angle are measured in degrees. It so happens that an actual offset measurement of 2 millimeters looks to the eyes as no offset. This is because when two eyes look down on a single object like the leading edge and hosel of a clubhead, there is an optical illusion created in the brain. Thus if you make an iron with an actual zero offset, to most people that looks like the leading edge is out there a little in front of the… Read more »
Very clear. I think my club is too upright then and I need to trust your job.
Do you have the specs on the 48 degree wedge heads? Weight mainly, I sent an email to Diamond Golf Customer Service a few days ago but haven’t heard back. Also wondering if they have conforming grooves or if they were left over from stock made before 2010? I’m assuming the small “c” stamped on the back of these wedges denotes conforming grooves? I’ve seen some 48 degrees without this which is why I’m asking…Thanks!
Austin The head weight spec for the PCF 48* wedge was 284g. The reason this wedge did not have a C on the back is because it was a special order wedge we made for our Swedish distributor. Because it was a special order head, I never chose to send it into the USGA for any formal evaluation. But it was made with the same groove dimensions as all the other PCF’s which are officially conforming. However, if memory serves me right, the Swedish distributor did not take all of the 48* wedges that were made upon his request so… Read more »
Thanks for the reply. Guy is a good college golfer, uses the Sterling irons and micro pcf 52 56 and 60 right now. Would like to play the 48 instead of the Sterling PW (hits it to high). Since the 48 was never officially sent in does that mean it would be illegal for him to use in say the us am qualifier or since it is the same it would be fine? Not sure the technicality of it all
Thanks! Shot 69 myself with my Sterlings in my club tourney yesterday
technically the club has to be on the USGA’s published list of conforming irons and wedges they keep on their website. Which is dumb because there is no such list for fairway woods or hybrids or putters, but there is for drivers, irons and wedges. Go figure. but then I have feuded with and criticized the USGA for many years in my career about their oft illogical actions regarding equipment rules. And that goes no where of course because as a USGA official told me once at a convention, “oh you know Tom, we see ourselves as a benevolent dictator… Read more »
Sorry, just thought of a follow up question to…if it would be illegal to use the 48 since it is not officially approved, looks like a 52 degree could be bent 4 degrees to a 48. What kind of bounce would the wedge have at that point?
Loft and Bounce have a 1:1 relationship since the face is forever permanently locked to the sole and one cannot move without the other moving too. For each 1* you lower the loft of a wedge, you reduce the bounce by 1*. And vice versa, for each 1* you increase loft, you increase the bounce by 1*. But you also affect the offset and this is what messes up more players when loft is greatly changed on any iron or wedge. For each 1* you reduce loft, the offset INCREASES by 0.5mm. So if you go from 52 to 48*,… Read more »
Yah I noticed that when I was looking online for conforming lists that all clubs weren’t on there…strange. Bummer about that. 2mm offset would maybe be alot. Looks like it would basically get rid of the bounce as well. Would that be normal for a PW or do they usually have some bounce? Last thought, how tight are the tolerances on these? Wondering if maybe sometime one comes off at 50 degrees or something closer to that. If that’s the case we could have that bent to 48 without effecting the offset and bounce as much. Thanks again for your… Read more »
Tolerances are pretty tight. Maybe 1 out of every 15-20 heads will be a full degree off the spec for loft. 10 of 20 are dead on and the rest are 1/2* off the spec. Maybe I have seen 1 out of 200-300 heads that slips through at 1.5* off but never have I seen one 2* off.
Wow, those are impressive stats on the round for sure. Damn !!! Rounds like that are just a distant memory for me these days thanks to, (cough) age !! HA!