S2R PUTTERS

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Precision Heel/Toe Blade Style Putter Designs with CNC Milled Face and Sole in 3 Design Options

Features:

      • Three different Wishon heel/toe putter designs, each with CNC milled face and sole for precision.
      • Double CNC milled face for precision face flatness to ensure accuracy.
      • Unique CNC milled sole provides a narrow, flat, center sole surface for accuracy in the address position, with a milled, elevated leading and trailing edge to eliminate “scuffing” the putter on the green during the stroke.
      • S2R models 1 and 3 designed with conventional hosel to accept straight 0.370″ putter shafts; S2R model 5 designed with no hosel to accept either single bend or double bend 0.370″ putter shafts.
      • Available in RH only in dark platinum nickel plating finish.
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Lincoln
1 year ago

Hi Tom
I know that the new Cavity Back putters are now available. What are the main differences between the new putters and the S2R series. Do the cavity backs create a higher MOI? Also looking at the pictures from the catalogue they are not CNC milled anymore?
Thanks

Tom Wishon
1 year ago
Reply to  Lincoln

Lincoln The new Cavity Black putters are not face milled. In reality face milling sounds great and looks nice but it really does not bring about a noticeable level of accuracy improvement because normal QC on putter heads made by a quality foundry makes the faces definitely flat enough to never cause any accuracy issues. Thus it really becomes more of a waste of money or a superfluous step in the production process that has marketing value only. There are also three different casting processes for making putter heads. One yields far more of a flat surface of the face… Read more »

Garth
1 year ago

Hi Tom, are the new cavity black putters face milled and could you share the MOI ratings?
Thanks

Phil
1 year ago

Hi Tom,
My son and I have been long time users of your equipment, and I’ve been building clubs for most of my life. I’m really interested in the new line of putters you have coming out in the Spring I’m told. Specifically, I’m hoping to see a heel shafted mid-mallet with toe hang such as Taylormade’s Balboa. Is there any chance something like this is coming? Thank you so much for what you do. Take care.

Tom Wishon
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

Phil: Thanks so much for your kind words and for your support over the years. I really do appreciate that. I am sorry but I have no idea what the specs or toe hang condition for the TM Balboa putter would be. I don’t have access to other companies’ clubs and I don’t seek out or acquire any clubs from any other company. I also do not personally feel that toe hang has any significant effect on putting, or at least in all my years of head design work I have never seen any definitive data nor seen anything in… Read more »

Charlie Dietz
2 years ago

Tom, I really enjoy your independent thinking. Re: Putter head weighting. For your next design effort, would it be possible to provide a shallow (1/16″ or so), rectangular pocket on the sole of the putter that the lead tape guys like myself (and you) would have an out of sight place to add lead tape without it being seen while over the putt? Also, I find many putters have such a flat sole that putting on even moderate side-slope putts requires hovering the putter head. I have resorted to epoxying a carrage bolt head to the bottom pivot point to… Read more »

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Dietz

Charlie
I have much preferred to design a weight chamber/port on putters occasionally that would be covered by a stick on medallion cover as a means to change headweight. I did not do this on the S2R’s because those I did some time ago and because most heel/toe putter models do not lend themselves well to a chamber big enough to accept weight disks. I’ll think about it though. And thanks so much for your interest,
TOM

Charlie Dietz
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Dietz

Tom,
thanks for your reply.
A weight chamber often takes up a lot of volume. Having a shallow, but wide/long pocket that could hold a few layers of lead tape somewhat protected would be easy to do on a new model. I have a couple of the old Nicklaus 1986 putters, and I have added some tape in the pocket behind the face, almost out of sight. Another of the Nicklaus putters had hollow, open cavities on the back at heel and toe, which I have poured lead into to adjust weight.

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Dietz

Charlie I hear you and I understand your personal preference for this. But whenever I design any head I need to consider what would and would not make it more or less appealing to the majority of players and clubmakers. An empty type recession on the sole that is large enough to accept 10-20g of lead tape would be unsightly to a lot of players, IMO from 30+ years of designing heads. In my experience the vast number of players who would choose to use lead tape on a putter head instead of lead powder down the shaft held with… Read more »

2 years ago

Hi Tom,
Just a question about putter head care. Aside from soap and water, do you have any recommendations as to maintaining the best look/care of the S2R series putter heads?
I know there are a any number of products in the marketplace, but would very much appreciate your thoughts/input.
Thanks,
Lee

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Lee Fisher

LEE
No, just plain old soapy water followed by drying the head off completely is all you need. Never use any types of brushes or abrasives whatosoever.
TOM

Danny
2 years ago

Mr. Wishon –
I am a long time user (and admirer) of your designs – going back to dynacraft.
I am left-handed . Do you, currently, have any left-handed putter offerings? Please excuse me if I am reading the chart incorrectly.
Thanks for all of your help.
Best,
Danny

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Danny

Thanks very much Danny, I really appreciate that very much. It’s been a few years since the Dynacraft days and it is nice of you to have followed what I have been doing all these years. Left hand offerings have always been a painful part of my work because what I can do in LH is always a cold hard fact of business. Tooling, development and inventory costs are the same for a RH and LH version of a model so our ability to do LH models depends entirely on demand. Never in my 31 yrs of designing clubheads have… Read more »

Kourt
2 years ago

Anything special about the groves of the #5 putter compared to the others?

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kourt

KOURT This came about after I had done some work with the SAM PuttLab inventor, Christian Marquardt. Christian’s research with high speed video had shown that the best roll on a putt was achieved when the putter head was moving ever so slightly upward as it came into impact with the ball. To enhance the ability of the putter face to generate more topspin on the putt with a slight upward angle of attack in the putting stroke, I put those grooves on the face of that S2R model #5. So if you are into this and practice to achieve… Read more »

Austin
2 years ago

Hello! Any new putter heads in the work? Fang style like the Odyssey #7 by any chance? My OCD is wanting a Wishon putter to make a full Wishon bag but I can’t park with that style putter!!! 🙂

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Austin

AUSTIN Sorry but no new putter head models are in the works at present. When I do a new original putter model to try to create something with good technical features and benefits, it becomes a more expensive head to make than the conventional style putter heads such as those models in the S2R line. And one thing I have learned over the many years I have been doing what I do is that clubmakers do not order putter heads that are more expensive. In fact, most clubmakers do not even make putters because, 1) most of their customers end… Read more »

Joe
3 years ago

It’s a shame directed force patented “lie angle” balanced putters. It would be cool to see something lie angle balanced in the Wishon catalog.

Tom Wishon
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe

JOE I have been doing serious clubhead design work since 1986. During that time I have had the pleasure of being able to contribute a ton of new clubhead design technologies and to do a huge amount of performance research into different head design concepts and clubfitting technology. After this much time in club performance research I now focus chiefly on the technologies that I feel make a real, measurable, visible difference to golfers. As such I know from my work that there are a lot of things in clubhead design that just do not make much of a difference,… Read more »

Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  Joe

WIthout having a SAM Putt Lab in the shop, or something like it, I’ve never felt comfortable enough to fit a customer for a putter. For me, it kinda feels like fitting for driver without a launch monitor. I’ve come to rely on the instrumentation as a core part of my fitting process for everything I do. As a result of not having data or experience, putting tech is a very fuzzy subject for me. When things are fuzzy, I think the new and shiny stuff can catch your eye, valid or not. I appreciate your experience and learn a… Read more »

Tom Wishon
2 years ago
Reply to  Joe

JOE There is no question that equipment such as the SAM can be of real help in terms of impressing the golfer, telling the golfer what things to work on to improve their putting. But really, the SAM is not what I would say is an outright FITTING tool for putters. it’s not going to tell you things like what length, or what lie, or what loft or what weighting combinations you need to use to fit a golfer with a better putter. It does tell you what the changes in the stroke and impact and results are but it’s… Read more »

Frank
3 years ago

Tom where are the heads made? Thanks. Frank

Tom Wishon
3 years ago
Reply to  Frank

FRANK I work with Virage Tech Industrial who are the latest up and coming forging factory in China for the manufacture of a lot of my more sophisticated clubhead models that require more precision and which may be a multi material/multi piece design. They recently (in the last 3 yrs) landed the forged iron business of Taylor Made, Callaway and they do the raw forging production now for Titleist. So they are very good. They also do my S2R putters because of the milling work and dark nickel plating finish after the casting of the putter heads. If you are… Read more »

Ben P
4 years ago

Hi Tom,
Maybe I missed it, but I was looking for the toe hang specifications for these putters. Any insight?
Thanks,
Ben

Tom Wishon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ben P

BEN
I don’t care about toe hang in my putter designs because ON ITS OWN I do not believe it has any kind of significant effect on putting performance. What’s more important in a putter in my book after this many years of fitting research are the main fitting elements of Length, Loft, Lie, Overall Weight Distribution, Alignment compatibility to the eyes, and the grip. Get those things right and things like toe hang or heel/center shaft position mean very little to nothing in my book.
TOM

Keith Walker
4 years ago

I am looking at your putters, to help my son pick a new putter. He is 16 years old. At an online review @ golfspy.com, I found this interview with you: “We observed that for putts struck with a “mistake stroke”, meaning when the golfer makes a little mistake and the stroke path is outside in or inside out, we could see that the higher the friction between the face and the ball at impact, the more the putt was pushed or pulled off line. This told us that if you make the face of the putter from a face… Read more »

Tom Wishon
4 years ago
Reply to  Keith Walker

Keith My comment about friction on the face of a putter was directed at milled face putters, where the milling lines are positioned so if you hit the ball with an open or closed face, or pull/push across the ball, the direction of the milling lines being more perpendicular to the off line motion of the putter will cause friction to grab the ball to potentially pull/push the putt a fraction more off line. The grooves on the model 5 are purely horizontal, not vertical in any manner. Thus if the putter is moving in a push/pull or open/closed face,… Read more »

Kyle
4 years ago

Tom,
I was reading your comments above about putting weight in the putter heads, and you mentioned the s2r can accept a lot of weight. What options are there on the other heads? Would tip weights in the shafts work? For instance, can I get a s2r-1 putter and add a tip weight to make it play heavier?
I ask, because I like the s2r-1 head, but 345 grams may be a little light for me. I like a heavier head with a bit of counterweight….
Thanks,
Kyle

Tom Wishon
4 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

KYLE I am sorry if there was a misunderstanding but I do not recall saying that our S2R putter heads could accept any more weight in the head – they do not have any type of a weight bore or weight chamber in the heads so they cannot accept more weight in the heads themselves. The only way one can increase headweight in a putter like this is through the use of a tip weight in the shaft, or in filling the shaft with something like lead powder that then would be locked in place in the tip end of… Read more »

Kyle
4 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

There was no confusion, I just mis-typed. I realize that you cannot add weight to these heads, which is why I guessed using a tip weight in the shaft may be a good option to add weight. Your comments seem to support that idea, which is great.
Thanks for the response!
Kyle

Tom Wishon
4 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

Or of course lead tape on the head, I forgot to add. Probably skipped on that because many golfers just don’t like the look with lead tape gobbed on the head. Me? I’m a lead tape fool whenever I sense that I need more headweight feel because I sort of fall into that old cliche’ category of my own clubs to me being like “the shoemaker’s shoes” HA!!
Have fun working with the clubs !
TOM

andre
5 years ago

COMMENT AND QUESTION, I AM TRULY SURPRISED AT THE AMOUNT OF GREAT DESIGN WITH SO MANY VARIABLES FOR CUSTOMIZING. MY “THING” IS HEAVY PUTTERS, ADJUSTABLE WEIGHT WOULD BE GREAT. ARE ANY OF THE PUTTERS CURRENTLY HAVE ADJ=USTABLE WEIGHTS ? tHKS. i PREFER A LEAST 360GRM HEAD PUTTER.

Tom Wishon
5 years ago
Reply to  andre

ANDRE: I’m sort of in an “in between stage” with our putter head design these days. I know what I want to design in terms of new putter heads with respect to design technology, but I am caught in a situation where what I want to do is expensive and putter heads just do not tend to sell very well in the custom clubmaking side of the industry. So the cost to tool and manufacture the new putter designs I have created is more than what the potential is for sales in this side of the industry. Currently the one… Read more »

7 years ago

This is a great feeling putter with enough options to fit nearly every golfer looking for a traditional looking blade type putter. Great design and great quality.

Peter Pachtner
7 years ago

Playing the S2R -1 head in all white (head, shaft, grip all white). A better putter will get the most out of it. If you don’t hit the center you feel it right away and you will see a distance loss. If struck dead center you will get a very nice feeling and the ball rolls exactly to the target.