519SHPR DRIVERS
A classic players’ shape with CG position designed to shape the ball with more precision
Features:
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- New 415cc swept back head shape profile with more forward and slightly higher CG to enhance ability to work the ball in a trajectory that is more commensurate with a penetrating, lower spin shot pattern
- All 519SHPR drivers undergo six separate face thickness QC check during production to ensure the most consistent and highest CT and smash factor
- The front sole area of the 519SHPR is designed with less face to back radius to allow easier measurement of head specifications for fitting accuracy
- Finished in all Black Oxide with Cool Matte Black Crown. Available in RH in 9° and 11°.
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It seems the 519 driver is not a good option for a low launch or low ball hitter in need of average to high spin?
Paul That statement might be slightly true for a player with a very late release, but not by that much. Flight differences between different driver models that would be tested at the same loft and same face angle are usually very subtle and only really become visible and noticeable as the golfer’s clubhead speed gets higher and higher (over 100mph and more) AND, as the player’s point of release gets later to very late, AND, as the player’s downswing tempo gets more and more aggressive. In the end, the most sure remedy for a low launch/low ball flight is more… Read more »
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Hi Tom, what effect creates different bottom of bore to ground length ?
Andre The bottom of bore to ground (BBTG) measurement has an effect on the stiffness of the shaft. The less the BBTG, the stiffer the shaft will play. This is because when the tip of the shaft is closer to the ground, the larger diameter parts of the shaft get closer to the head. The larger diameter parts of the shaft are the stiffest part of the shaft. Having a shorter BBTG is the same as tipping the shaft in terms of the effect on shaft stiffness. And when the BBTG is increased, the opposite happens to make the shaft… Read more »
That was “thinking” a regular shaft. Sorry!
I am planning on having a local club maker out of Marin County build a 519 driver. I noticed in some of your videos that you recommend using a 65 gram shaft. I am 70 y.o. and swing speed is till high 90 mph to close to 100. I am thing a regular shaft tipped to stiffen a bit. Is there a preferred shaft you recommend? Thank you.
HERB I do not mean to infer that EVERY golfer should use a 65g shaft. Shaft weight is fit INDIVIDUALLY to each golfer’s needs and preferences for the TOTAL WEIGHT of he club. Decisions for what that shaft weight should be for any golfer are based on golfer strength, golfer swing tempo, golfer downswing force/acceleration and very much so on golfer preference for what he feels is a total weight that is not too heavy nor too light. On paper the lower the strength, slower the tempo, less the downswing force, the lighter the shaft would tend to be. But… Read more »
The builder is Stan at “Clubwerks”, and I do not know if he is actually a “fitter”. He is on your list of builders/fitters and is relatively close proximity. Would he have “fitting” equipment, such as club heads and shafts available onsite? I am also unsure as to which head I would like to use. I definitely prefer the smaller head of the 519, but really interested in the 719MW. I currently play the TM 300 Mini Driver and or the TM Copper Mini Burner. Any thoughts or input would be greatly appreciated. I have used a local Club Champion,… Read more »
Herb That would be Stan Morovia, based at McInnis Park driving range. Good for you that you are going to work with Stan for your fitting needs. I have known Stan for many years and I can absolutely testify that he is without question one of the best clubfitters in the entire country, I kid you not. You’ll have a good time, you’ll learn a lot from Stan and you will walk away with the best clubs you have ever played, should you decide to pull the trigger and follow through with buying your custom fit clubs from Stan. I’m… Read more »
anyway to get this down to 190 grams head weight total? or even less
AL I am sorry but there is no way to reduce the weight of the 519 driver head. The head’s manufacturing spec is 202g with a +/-3g tolerance. The vast majority of the 519 heads come in at +/-2g so clubmakers can ask Diamond Golf to hand select a head at the lightest weight possible, which would likely be 200g. Outside of that, there is no way to get more weight off the head. I choose a spec of 202g for my driver head designs because in essence I want to “force” players to use a driver length not more… Read more »
Hi Tom, I have felt like my 519 head has not been performing. Before I just thought maybe I´m just striking it poorly, but today I put some face tape on and mapped it out a little bit. Turns out the very center face hits are giving me only 1,44-1,45 smash factor. +-20mm in high heel, low toe diagonal is dropping to 1,40-1,42. Other diagonal (high toe, low heel) is worse, like 1,38-1,40. So I´m only getting average of about 1,40 although I´m hitting with 9-10deg spin loft and like 0 to -5 face to path, 110 mph speed, so… Read more »
MIKKO HAving seen several 519s display a smash factor of 1.46-49, I can only tell you that perhaps this particular head somehow came off the production line with a little too much PLUS on the tolerance for face thickness grinding and polishing. But even if the + tolerance was 0.15mm instead of the usual 0.1mm, the smash factor should still be in the area of 1.45-46, all other things being good and on spec. So, the only other way this could happen to drop the smash factor down to 1.44 or lower for a center face hit is if somehow… Read more »
I tried running my fingertip along the face to see if it´s perhaps dented and also a ruler looking against light to see how much of the ruler was in contact with the face. Turns out that there´s a flat spot on the high heel side of the center! kind of feels like the face has folded in a bit along one of the grooves. So maybe that´s it. I have to say that the club has been hit a lot. Thousands and thousands of strikes in speed training. Say, what is the face thickness and thickness profile of the… Read more »
Mikko If you put a straight edge against any areas of the face and if you see daylight under the straight edge, the face radii of the head are compromised and the head cannot ever be restored to be expected to perform as it was manufactured and designed. There is no way to reverse even a slightly caved in face or area of the face. The face design of the 519 is a variable thickness face, meaning an oval shaped area around the center of the face is 2.7mm thick while the surrounding areas outside this center oval area are… Read more »
So I should wear safety glasses when hitting it in case it blows up catastrophically? 😉 My thinking was that if the head is worthless anyway I might as well have some fun with it. It´s not so much caved in as it is a little flatter in that area. When holding the ruler against the head there`s about 5mm of it in contact with the face so that daylight is not visible from that length of the ruler. In my flat spot it´s more like 8mm, so that tells me that the vertical bulge is a little less, but… Read more »
MIKKO
When I use the term “caved in”, that pertains to flat or concave. Proper face radii are always convex. So anything that is not convex is a caved in face and it won’t perform properly, no matter what.
I have never seen nor heard of a catastrophic failure of a face causing separated pieces of the face to fly up or out. But never say never so yes, even though you should definitely just throw the driver away, if you have to hit it, do wear safety glasses/goggles.
TOM
Hello wishon team, any news on when the 719 driver will be available?? Best looking driver out there👌
AL
Thank you very much for your kind comment about the 719. I just heard this morning that the 719 is in stock and ready to ship to fill orders as of May 15.
TOM
Well that is great news hopefully we’ll see it there by end of day Stateside, or in the morning. Many of my clients will rejoice.
Wishon team at what length are the 919 and 519 Drivers designed for and at that length what would swing weight be??
Scott Spec head weight on all my driver heads is 202g with the usual +/- tolerance of 2 grams. 202g + 65g shaft + 50g grip at 44.5″ is D0. Every head has a hosel weight bore for final swingweight needs located under the bottom of the shafting bore that can accept up to a 9g weight. We offer weights in 2g, 4g, 6g and 9g. You can as well if preferred us a tip weight as well if you prefer that. So with the 202g head weight and the hosel weight bore you can go to 44″ or even… Read more »
Thanks Tom, I have my drivers at 43-1/2 so if we do 202head 65 shaft and 25gram Winn mid sized grip what will swing weight be? I am a short person 5′ 4″ if I go with the 519 would the 11 degree loft be a good fit given all the shaft specs are a 2 in your fitting system S2S white regular.
SCOTT
202g + 43.5″ + 65g shaft and 25g grip would be around D0-D1 swingweight. I have a nifty little swingweight calculator on an Excel spreadsheet that you might find helpful so if you want, send me an email at tww@wihongolf.com and I would be glad to attach the file to a response back to you.
TOM
Thanks Tom also with me being 5’4″ would the 11* degree loft be better and would you tip trim the shaft 1″ due to 43-1/2 long club. Again thanks for your help
Scott No tip trim necessary on the shaft for a driver at 43.5″. The shorter length slightly stiffens up the shaft but the additional head weight required to reach a normal swingweight at that shorter length then reverses the slight increase in stiffness from the shorter length. I can’t say for sure what loft would be optimal because that is based on clubhead speed and angle of attack into the ball. It’s hard to match a clubhead speed to a loft because the A of A plays an equally important role. Downward A of A always means more loft than… Read more »
Tom will adding the 9 gram weight in hosel bore cause the club to be draw biased
Scott
NO, no way. That is not nearly enough weight in the heel side of the head to move the CG enough to bring about any draw bias shot shape, even for a tour player type of ball striker. Draw bias only begins for the majority of golfers when there is >20g put well over in the heel side of the head.
TOM
Thanks Tom
Hi Tom Thank you for the Answer. I ask you for a short one, but it seems that the short has to be replaced with a long one. It seems also that on my upper Floor some Synapse are out of operation. I have understand that to bend the Lie you do it on the 12 to 6 o’clock Line. When you bend on the 3 to 9 o’clock Line, you are modifying the Loft with an influence of the Face angle. That’s my Comprehension of this kind of bending. Please tell me (it may be a longer Answer) what’s… Read more »
Norbert Happy to help with more info! The reason that the 3-9 o’clock bend changes loft in an IRON is because we golfers always PLACE the iron down behind the ball with the face positioned square to our intended target line. But with a driver, wood or hybrid, which all have a far wider sole than an iron, most golfers address the ball for a shot by resting the head on its sole behind the ball, as we take the grip and begin to prepare to hit the shot. When you do that, a 3-9 o’clock bend changes the face… Read more »
Hi Tom
I’m in the Fitting Business since some Years, but now i’m a little disappointed. In the technical Description of the 519SHPR you tell us the Bending Options with +/- 4° for Lie/Face Angle. It’s clear that Bendind the Lie would be simple. But what about Bending the Face Angle? May be I haven’t clearly understand this information.
Thank you for a short Answer.
Best Regards
Norbert
Norbert Me? Tom Wishon, a short answer to any technical question??? HA! (I’m just joking!) When you look at the hosel on the 519 or 919 driver heads, think of a clock with 12 o’clock at the top, 6 at the bottom, 9 to the left and 3 o’clock to the right. When you bend the hosel in the 12 to 6 direction, you bend the lie only. When you bend the hosel in the 3 to 9 direction, you bend the face angle only. You see the face angle change from a 3-9 bend when you rest the head… Read more »
Hi Tom, I have a question on lie angle and length. I presently play a Cobra Speedzone drive at 43.5″ in length and lie angle of 57.5. If I was to play one of your drivers which lie angle can be adjusted could I effectively play a longer driver? My thought is that if the lie angle was flattened I could lengthen the shaft and the toe up position of the driver would be the same and then the dynamic lie angle when swung would also be close to the same. This would potentially allow me to play a longer… Read more »
Dennis It is true for most golfers that as the driver is longer in length it needs to be flatter in lie to fit the golfer properly. Or at least to enable the driver to come closer to sitting more on its sole than deep on its heel. Still, you do need to remember that in the address position the driver should sit visibly toward its heel so that the normal downward droop bending of the shaft that happens during the force of the swing can then cause the head to travel through impact more with its sole parallel to… Read more »
Hi Tom, I have a COG question. If you are looking at the 519 face on, where exactly would the cog be in relation to the W on the face? You could also give the height in mm if you have that available. Thanks!
BEN
For the 519, the projected point of the CG on the face would be about 3mm just below the top line on the middle of the TW logo on the face, or about 33.5mm up from the sole. Hope this helps,
TOM
The face area on the 519shpr is higher than the 919thi according to specs. So is it really any less forgiving?? It just seems to be not as deep so likely to launch lower and with less spin.
GREG
The lower with less spin was the intent of the 519 vs the 919 because the face is not as deep and the head is not as tall or as large as the 919.
TOM
Eight years ago, I had my clubs made by Tim Mosel in Denville, NJ. Tim put me in a full set of clubs, including a 919THI driver. In that time, my handicap has dropped from 14 to 6. The next step in improving my game is to shape shots, so I’m considering switching to the 519SHPR driver. With the smaller head and lower MOI, is the 519 much more difficult to hit? Will I lose much more distance on off-center hits compared with the 919THI that I am currently using? What is the feedback you have received from other users? Thank you for your… Read more »
Chris being smaller, the MOI and from it, the off center hit forgiveness, is a little bit less in the 519 than in the 919. Just because the 919 is larger does not mean you can’t shape the ball with it. Tons of players who are good enough to alter their swing motion enough to work the ball one way or the other can do so just fine with the 919. I’d work first with the 919 with whatever techniques you are planning to try to create the intentional draw and fade rather than to jump right away into the… Read more »
Wow! Thank you for such a quick reply and the advice. I will take that route and experiment over the rest of the season.
Hi Tom, I recently had my trusted club fitter and good friend, Bill Nottingham (Colorado Springs– he does an amazing job fitting folks with your products) on my request take my 9.5* 919THI and re-shaft it with a 45.5″ S2S RED shaft S flex (previous shaft was a Black 85 X flex 44.5″) and he also built me a new 519SHPR which I wanted at 11* and a little shorter at 44.5″ with the same Red Shaft. My thought was that as my swing has evolved and I can shape the ball better now, (I went from a 17 to… Read more »
DAVE Thanks so much for taking your time to share your experiences in your fitting with Bill in such detail. First off I have known and corresponded with Bill a lot in the past about tech issues so I know he is knowledgeable and having been involved in fitting for a while now, his experience is very good. Experience in fitting is critical for success, almost even moreso than knowledge. First off, on any matter of shot height that is to be analyzed deeply, one has to know the EXACT loft of both heads AND, to know the exact bend… Read more »
Thanks Tom. Bill hand selected the lofts so hopefully they are tighter tolerance. I know the 919 says 9* but is actually a 9.5* and the 11* was hand selected for 11.5* as we had talked about that prior to him ordering etc. In terms of feel the MOI match Bill did seems spot on. If I close my eyes I’d have a hard time knowing which is which. Both bend profiles feel very similar as well despite the 519 shaft being an inch shorter. So since we can mostly rule out loft tolerances it seems the CG difference must… Read more »
DAVE: Actually the best news is that you have TWO drivers that you are happy with! Many players search their entire lives for a driver they can hit reasonably well! And it’s pretty nice for me to be able to know that you have two of my “kids” that are behaving themselves for you!! HA! Down here we have some decent tracks. Here in Durango, The Glacier Club is really nice tucked right in the mtns below some imposing cliffs. They have 36 there with 18 being super private but perhaps your pro could call to get you on. Their… Read more »
Trying to buy one of these drivers? Do you sell direct from website?
ZACH No we do not sell direct. That’s because we are all about custom fitting to the Nth degree, which means you need to be custom fit in person by a clubmaker with the proper experience and knowledge who can build what you want from scratch to fit you. To see if there is a fitter in reasonable proximity to you, head to the FIND A CLUBFITTER link found at the top of the home page on our website. There you can put in your location and see if there is a decent fitter that is reasonably close to you.… Read more »
Hi Tom, I am working with a remote fitter and trying to choose the appropriate lie angle for my 519 driver. I play my 3 wood at 56 degrees and 43 inches. I would like my driver to be 44 inches. What I don’t understand is why drivers are typically manufactured and suggested to be played in the 58-60 degree lie angle range. I had a design expert once explain that it had to do with the cog of modern 400cc plus drivers being much farther away from the shaft centerline/plane than small headed drivers and fairway woods. However, no… Read more »
BEN The reason that drivers tend to have lies between 58-60 is because the driver shaft bends DOWNWARD much more during the downswing in what is called a droop bending. This droop bending of the shaft happens because, 1) the driver is longest in length which makes the shaft able to be bent more; 2) the driver head’s cog is not in line with the shaft so under the force of the downswing, the cog wants to get in line with the shaft so it causes the head to elicit a downward (and forward) bending influence on the shaft. With… Read more »
Tom, Having built and played just about everything you’ve designed I can say the 519 is a winner and , for me anyway, the best Wishon driver yet. It delivered the lower launch and spin I have been seeking when matched to the Black S2S 85 @ 44.5″. It displaced a new TM driver with Aldila Rogue MSI low launch low spin shaft which costs hundreds more than the Black S2S 85. The club has definitely improved shot consistency and trajectory which has even delivered a few extra yards in distance – not a major gain but nice byproduct of… Read more »
BEN That’s great to hear that you put the 519 up there in the #1 position and that with the Black 85 you are getting the shot characteristics that you need to have. May I add that it is always a thrill when I get to hear that one of my designs has put one of the big boys’ models on the bench!! Trying to achieve a little lower launch and flight was the goal of the 519 design project and it is great to hear that it is working for you. Thanks again and the very best to you… Read more »
Ben I was trying to get some feedback on the 519 . I am trying to choose between the 919 and 519. How have you been hitting it? What distances?
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About 10 months ago you made a comment below that depending how the year went a 13 degree 519 may become avaliable . I understand it’s been a crazy year but is a 13 degree in the pipeline?
Cheers Peter
Peter To say that it has been a crazy year is most definitely an understatement!! We were basically shut down for 2+ months and then went through a higher demand period from May through October than we have ever seen before. All the factories that make every company’s clubheads are WAY BEHIND in their lead times so trying to get enough of the heads you need in your models is more difficult than it has ever been in my 34 yrs of designing clubheads. The shortest lead time for clubhead production is 150 days and some factories are running 225… Read more »
have 919 and what would be the main difference
DON Since I know you are asking for the sake of thinking about distance, I will be honest. You won’t get more distance from the 519 over the 919 you have. And being a little smaller head, the 519 does not have as high of an MOI so your off center hits with the 519 would not go as far as they will off the 919 with its higher MOI from being larger. The 519 was designed for players who wanted a little bit smaller size head and a head that they feel they can work the ball a little… Read more »
Hi Tom, I have some questions about MOI of drivers. The 519 is listed at 4750. I like to play my clubs with unusually heavy headweight and swingweights. For woods of typical standard lengths and shaft weights, I usually end up with a swingweight of of E1. Most of my drivers I add 20-25 grams of weight to the head using either hot melt, foam, poly fill, or combination of each. Could you tell me approximately how this would impact the MOI if I add the weight in such a manner that does not alter the COG or other impactful… Read more »
BEN Years ago we did the calculations for the effect of adding head weight on the MOI of the 919 driver. We found that for each single gram added to the hosel weight bore the MOI increased by 32. Now this also is greatly affected by WHERE on the head you add weight. A gram of weight added to the middle area of a head won’t increase the MOI nearly as much as when a gram of weight is added to the perimeter areas of a head. So if you added weight to any driver head by say, injecting sticky… Read more »
Hello Tom, it’s almost time for my fitting with the new EQ1-NX irons from Diamond Golf.
I’m looking at getting a new driver which one of your drivers is the most forgiving for off-center hits. I’m hitting the Titleist 917 D2 right now
Britton
No question, the 919THI is the most forgiving driver design in the current product line. It’s been the mainstay driver model and retains really good popularity and demand even though it has been in the line for at least ten years. It just stands as the best driver model I have ever designed in my career and IMO will never be exceeded by any driver model from any place.
TOM
Tom is your new face on the 519SHPR comparable to the twist faces of the OEM companies without being adjustable. Larger variable face area than your 919?
GARY
No, the face in the 519 is designed and made with 13″ bulge radius all the way from top of the face to bottom of face and it is made with a 20″ roll radius from toe to heel across the face. To my knowledge the twist face changes the bulge and roll at different positions on the face surface. I see no purpose in that as a way to do anything positive to performance.
TOM
Which builders south of Atlanta (Fayetteville/Peachtree City or general-metro) use your clubs.
I want workability. I don’t have much issue getting the ball up, but I do wonder as I transition more to a Hogan/Snead type of impact that my AOA will decrease, and that having a higher launch driver might help? What do you think?
MIKE There are about 6 clubmakers in the general area around Atlanta that work with my designs. If you head to the FIND A CLUBFITTER search tool with the link found on the top of our home page, you can input your location and find the ones that are closest to you. I might recommend you contact Al Humphrey among the clubmakers you will find on our locator – I was just corresponding with Al today in fact and I believe he would do a very thorough job for you. One thing though – the ability to work the ball… Read more »
After using the 519SHPR after about 10 rounds of golf now I feel like it’s a good time to write a review because it has been the straightest driver I have used! After getting used to the slightly smaller head (took 1 round of golf) I have so much confidence in hitting the 519SHPR that it feel almost automatic when I step up on the tee. My FIR has gone from just under 7/14 to 10/14 for the last 10 rounds. The ball goes just as far as before if not further, on some occasions when struck a bit higher… Read more »