SINGLE LENGTH Q & A

The concept of making each iron in a set the same length is not new.  Eric Cook’s Iso-Vibe Golf Company in Canada began offering single length sets of irons to the North American golf market in 1986.  Perhaps the best known introduction of a single length set of golf clubs was the former Tommy Armour Golf Company’s release of their EQL single length woods and irons in 1989.  Since that time, a handful of lesser known, under-marketed companies have offered single length sets of irons, mainly through an on line direct-to-golfer offering.

The concept of single length irons received a huge boost in general awareness from the publicity of amateur golfer Bryson deChambeau’s victories in both the USA National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and US Amateur championships in 2015 using a single length set of irons.   Bryson deChambeau became only the 5th player to achieve this very prestigious amateur championship “double” in the same year, something that had only been done by Jack Nicklaus, Phil Mickelson, Tiger Woods and Ryan Moore.  All of a sudden a larger number of golfers became aware of single length irons and with it, a serious level of curiosity whether a Single Length set could be a viable change to make in their own equipment.

As is the case with any new and different golf equipment concept that gains awareness and attention, there are a lot of questions as well as a bit of misinformation and misunderstanding concerning single length sets of irons. 

As the leader in golf equipment performance research, Tom Wishon Golf Technology is pleased to once again offer the most truthful, factual and understandable information to help golfers understand the concept of Single Length set design with the below set of frequently asked questions regarding the subject. 

WHAT IS THE REASON A GOLFER MIGHT CONSIDER MAKING A CHANGE FROM NORMAL INCREMENTAL LENGTH IRONS TO A SINGLE LENGTH SET OF IRONS?

The technical basis behind the creation of a set of single length irons is to say that if all the clubs have the same length, the same total weight, the same headweight, and the same balance point it will enable the golfer to use the same stance, posture, spine angle, swing plane – the same everything in the swing. As such, the single length approach has a chance to offer a higher level of swing repeatability and shot consistency for each of the clubs in the set.

At the same time, it must be said that many golfers have achieved very good swing and shot consistency using irons built to normal incremental lengths which are very accurately custom fit to their size, strength, athletic ability and swing characteristics.  However, if a golfer has suffered from chronic or occasional shot inconsistency, converting to a single length concept could result in improvement in shot consistency and on-center impacts to result in more greens hit in regulation and better ‘missed shots’.

WHAT IS THE TECHNICAL EXPLANATION TO SUPPORT AN ARGUMENT ABOUT SINGLE LENGTH IRONS BEING BETTER FOR A GOLFER THAN CONVENTIONAL INCREMENTAL LENGTH IRONS?

 In a single length set of irons, every club is made so that everything that has anything to do with swing feel is the same in each club – same length, same shaft weight, same total weight, same head weight, same swingweight, same balance point, same MOI, same swing feel and the same shaft stiffness/bend profile design. The only element that is different and changes within a set of single length clubs are the loft angles, to enable the single length clubs to each hit the ball different distances.

Normal incremental length sets of irons cannot duplicate that many different fitting elements.  While it is possible to build incremental length sets of irons to all be matched to the same MOI, each club will be different in total weight, head weight, swingweight, balance point and swing feel.

As such, the technical reason for creating a single length set of irons is to offer the golfer a chance for improvement in swing repeatability, swing consistency and shot consistency because every club is as perfectly matched for every possible aspect that has anything to do with swing feel.

WHY DID SETS OF IRONS EVOLVE TO BE MADE TO DIFFERENT LENGTHS?

The purpose of a set of irons is to have each iron hit the ball a specific different distance with equal distance gaps between clubs through the set. That enables a golfer to choose an appropriate club for the different distances golfers will find themselves from the greens when playing a round of golf.

Early club designers learned there were a number of things in the design of irons that would cause each club to hit the ball a different distance.   First is a different loft angle on each iron, with the spacing in degrees of loft the same between each iron.  Second is a progression of different lengths so the golfer’s clubhead speed would intentionally change to coordinate with the different lofts to hit the ball a different distance with each iron.

More recently, research into shot performance has shown that the distance between the different irons in a set comes 85-90% from the loft angle change from club to club, and 10-15% from the length change from club to club through the set.   As such, length change within a set of irons is much less important for a distance difference between irons than are the differences in the loft angles through the set.   This opens the door for a single length set to be a viable alternative to the conventional incremental length set.

WHY HAVE SO FEW OF THE BIG GOLF COMPANIES CREATED AND OFFERED A SET OF SINGLE LENGTH CLUBS?

Chiefly because of a lack of confidence that such a different type of set could garner enough demand to justify the cost of development and marketing to be able to last for 2 or more years in the market. When Tommy Armour Golf offered their single length EQL model, it did not exactly show much in the way of longer term success for the costs associated with its development and promotion.  For a major brand golf company to be successful introducing a new set of irons, a multi-million dollar marketing campaign must be created to generate a demand that has to result in selling 25,000 or more sets or else the entire development of the model was a waste of time and money.  At present, few of the major brand golf companies wish to take the risk.

Golf has always been a game steeped with traditions.  Golfers as a whole have demonstrated a general and consistent tendency to not deviate too far outside the norm of such traditions in the game.

This is also true when it comes to certain aspects related to golf clubs. It has been proven over and over that developments in the design, shape and concept of golf clubs have to remain within a narrow range of change – if you go too far outside the box of tradition, golfers will reject such changes and will simply refuse to purchase the clubs if they are considered to be “too different”.

Most of the golf companies have believed that a single length set of golf clubs would push things too far in the minds of most golfers so the sets would not be able to sell in a high enough volume to justify the cost of development, inventory and marketing.

WHAT ABOUT SINGLE LENGTH CLUBS FOR TALL OR SHORT PLAYERS? SUCH PLAYERS REGULARLY ARE FIT FOR “OVERLENGTH” OR “UNDERLENGTH” IRONS IN CONVENTIONAL IRON SETS. WHAT ABOUT “OVERLENGTH” OR “UNDERLENGTH” IN SINGLE LENGTH SETS?

That’s a very interesting point in Single Length set fitting. Think about it this way, using the following example.  Let’s say you have two golfers and after a fitting analysis for a conventional set of irons, it is determined that Golfer A needs his lengths to be +1” over standard, while Golfer B is best fit into a standard length set.   That means the 5 iron in Golfer A’s set would be 39” while the 5 iron in Golfer B’s set would be 38”.

But let’s say that both Golfers become aware of the Single Length concept and express an interest to be fit into such a set.   And let’s also say that the Single Length set both see is offered in a “standard” single length of 37”.  Does Golfer A need his Single Length set to be 38” since he was advised to use a +1” over standard length in his conventional set of irons?

Probably not, and here’s why.   In Golfer A’s conventional set of irons, 37” is the length of his +1” over length #9 iron.  While in Golfer B’s conventional iron set, 37” is the length of his standard length #7 iron.  Thus it could be said that the 37” single length would be a proper fit for either golfer, even though in a conventional set Golfer A measured to need +1” longer than standard.

Interesting, eh?

In the end, there may be an occasional situation in which a golfer who needs a longer length in a conventional iron set may need the length of a Single Length set to be a bit longer than the length range the set was designed to follow.   However, we do urge clubmakers to try to keep all golfers within this range between 36.5 and 37 inches for purposes of more successfully fitting the golfer to a suitable total weight + headweight feel in the clubs.  But in the end if the golfer has a specific preference for a certain single length for his irons, comfort does rule.  We do not recommend the irons be built to a length greater than 38” if possible.

IF THE CLUBS ARE ALL TO BE MADE TO ONE LENGTH AND ONE LIE ANGLE, WHAT IS THERE FOR GOLFERS TO BE CUSTOM FIT IN A SET OF SINGLE LENGTH IRONS?

Every one of the key fitting specifications in any set of irons, that’s what – the lofts, lies, shaft flex, shaft bend profile, shaft weight, total weight, headweight feel (swingweight or MOI), grip style and grip size.   Not only that, but it is possible that some golfers could be more comfortable with a slightly different single length than other golfers.   In short, even though the lengths of each iron will be the same, what that length should be as well as each one of the other key fitting specifications should be custom fit and custom built for each golfer.

Single length does NOT mean “one size fits all” in the manner of the way big golf companies sell their clubs in standard form, off the rack.   Single length sets still need to be properly custom fit to each golfer based on their size, strength, athletic ability and swing characteristics for the best single length and lie along with the right shaft weight, shaft flex, shaft bend profile, swingweight/MOI, set makeup and grip size/style.

ARE SINGLE LENGTH IRONS BETTER FOR AVERAGE TO LESS SKILLED GOLFERS OR ARE THEY VIABLE FOR GOOD PLAYERS AS WELL?

During the time between the mid 1980s and mid 2010s when only a few isolated companies offered single length sets of irons, most people were led to believe that single length irons were more aimed at average to less skilled golfers. It can be said that Bryson deChambeau’s success in winning the NCAA and US Amateur in the same year (2015) followed by 5 wins on the PGA Tour and well over $10 million in earnings from 2017 to 2019 has pretty much blown that thought out of the water.

As with normal sets of irons aimed at average vs good players, the main differences fall in the areas of traditional vs game improvement iron HEAD designs, coupled with fitting differences in the shafts, total weight, swingweight (headweight feel), lie and grip size/style.   Most companies that offer Single Length irons are not likely to offer multiple clubhead models as they do with conventional length iron models unless the demand for such a delineation in Single Length head model were to become large enough to justify a better player version to contrast to the game improvement version.

WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL DIFFERENCE IN USING A SET OF SINGLE LENGTH IRONS VS A SET OF CONVENTIONAL INCREMENTAL LENGTH IRONS?

There are three primary areas in which previous Single Length irons have fallen short of the performance golfers are used to with their conventional incremental length iron sets.

Depending on the single length chosen, the golfer may lose enough clubhead speed with the lower loft irons to cause a loss of distance for the lower number irons in a Single Length set vs in a conventional length set.

Also depending on the single length chosen, the golfer may find that shot distances with the high loft irons and wedges are longer than the golfer was used to in the conventional length set. This could happen if the single length is more than 1” longer than the length of the high loft irons/wedges in the conventional set.

Following from both #1 and #2 above, the distance gaps between each single length iron could be compressed, shorter than what the golfer was used to with the conventional set of irons.

 It must be noted that the main reason these problems have occurred with previous Single Length iron sets are because the sets were made with conventional steel clubheads with the same lofts and 4* loft gaps used in conventional iron sets, coupled with a single length that was >1” shorter than the low loft iron lengths and >1” longer than the high loft iron lengths in the golfer’s conventional set. In other words, by customizing the length, the lofts and loft gaps, and the clubhead design, it is possible for a modern Single Length set to overcome these previous problems that have been seen with other or previous Single Length sets.

CAN A CONVENTIONAL SET OF INCREMENTAL LENGTH IRONS BE CONVERTED INTO A SET OF SINGLE LENGTH IRONS?

Not without either a lot of lead tape on the lower loft heads and a lot of grinding of weight off the higher loft heads in the conventional set.   Not to mention the potential difficulty of bending the lie angle of some of the heads to the required lie for the golfer for the one single length chosen.  For all intents and purposes, it is just not feasible to build a single length set from an existing incremental length set of irons.

In a Single Length set, all the clubheads must be designed and manufactured to be the same exact headweight AND with the same lie angle.  This is a requirement for the Single Length clubs to all end up with the same total weight, same swing weight, same head weight feel and same balance point – the elements that ensure each club exhibits the same swing feel.

Golfers who are interested in a Single Length set are going to have to test hit clubs properly engineered and manufactured for assembly as a Single Length set to be able to try the concept.   It is completely impractical to alter an existing iron set to the Single Length concept.

WHAT ABOUT WOODS OR HYBRIDS? CAN A SINGLE LENGTH SET OF WOODS AND HYBRIDS ALSO BE A VIABLE CHANGE FOR A GOLFER TO MAKE WITH HIS OR HER EQUIPMENT?

Absolutely.  But the hybrid and wood heads have to be designed with different head weight than what is normal for conventional hybrid and fairway wood head designs so they can be built to a single length and still be able to achieve a normal range of swingweight or MOI for proper weight feel for the golfer.  It is not possible to adapt a hybrid or fairway wood head designed for conventional lengths to be used for a single length option.  

Because hybrids were originally conceived to be an easier to hit alternative to low loft irons, it is best to think of the hybrids as being a part of the set of irons.  In terms of single length fitting and performance this means single length hybrids should be the same length as the single length irons so every club from the lowest loft hybrid to each of the wedges will be identical for every element that contributes to swing repeatability and swing feel – same length, same lie, same shaft, same shaft flex/bend profile, same total weight, same headweight/swingweight, same MOI, same balance point – so the golfer can use the same stance, posture, spine angle and swing plane to have the best chance to achieve an improved level of shot consistency and swing repeatability.  

Fairway woods on the other hand cannot be built and played at the same single length as the hybrids and irons.  If this were done the golfer would never be able to achieve the same distance with woods made to the same single length as the hybrids/irons because that length would be so much shorter than normal fairway wood lengths that it will bring about a significant drop in clubhead speed and shot distance. 

When fairway woods are built to be played at a single length, that one length will need to be longer than the single length irons but shorter than the normal lengths for most fairway woods.  Based on a rough industry standard length of 43″ for the 3-wood, Wishon Golf recommends that the length for single length fairway woods should be between 40-41″ for men, 39-40″ for women.  

In a single length set of woods the golfer will not typically play a full set of #3, 4, 5, 7 fairway woods.  For golfers with a driver clubhead speed of 95mph or higher, we recommend the set makeup for the single length woods be #3 and 5, followed by a single length hybrid/iron set makeup of #4h, 5h/5i, 6i, 7i, 8i, 9i, P, G, S.  The choice of 5 hybrid vs 5 iron is also made on the basis of clubhead speed.  If the player has an 8 iron clubhead speed above 75mph he can usually play the 5-iron as the first iron in the set.  If the 8 iron speed is under 75 but above 70mph we recommend the 4 and 5 hybrids, with the first iron being the 6 iron.  Under 70mph we feel the player will do better with #5, 6 hybrids, 7 iron to SW and no 4 hybrid.  

For golfers with a driver clubhead speed under 95mph, we advise the single length wood set makeup be the 4w/7w, followed by a single length hybrid/iron set makeup of #5h, 6h/6i, 7i, 8i, 9i, P, G, S.  The choice of 6 hybrid vs 6 iron is also made on the basis of clubhead speed.  If the player has an 8 iron clubhead speed above 70mph he can usually play the 6-iron as the first iron in the set.  If the 8 iron speed is under 70mph we recommend the 5 and 6 hybrids, with the first iron being the 7 iron.  

WHY HAVEN’T OTHER TOURNAMENT GOLFERS BEGUN TO CHANGE TO SINGLE LENGTH IRONS SINCE BRYSON DECHAMBEAU’S SUCCESS ON THE PGA TOUR ?

If you think normal amateur golfers cling to tradition and resist change, just wait until you take a look into that trait among tour pros and very serious competitive amateurs. Shoot, there are still a lot of those players clinging to a muscleback blade in their irons!

But one can never say never.  Even though Bryson deChambeau is a top ranked touring professional, among other pros the concept of single length irons is likely seen as being too much of a change to have to get used to.  Touring pros achieve shot consistency over years of practice coupled with an inherent swing talent.  To make a change to a single length set after decades of playing conventional incremental length irons would be too difficult or too much of a challenge to get to the point of consistency and confidence for the vast majority of pros.

This is why after years of observing and guiding clubmakers in the fitting of single length irons, we are convinced the real benefit of single length is for regular golfers in a range from beginner to high single digit handicap players.  Single length offers a better chance for improved swing repeatability and better shot consistency for more greens hit and better misses with the irons.  Players from beginner to high single digit handicap tend to have more of a problem with swing repeatability and shot consistency than low single digit handicap golfers.

 

SHOULD I SERIOUSLY CONSIDER BUYING A SET OF SINGLE LENGTH IRONS?

We’re a little prejudiced at Wishon Golf because we feel the major changes we have made in the latest single length design of the new EQ1-NX irons, coupled with our depth of understanding of the concepts of proper fitting of Single Length sets, make it a possibility for a very high percentage of golfers to gain a significant improvement in swing and shot consistency.

We know from 6 years of single length iron development that the Wishon Golf EQ1-NX Single Length irons have all the requirements to deliver a seamless transition for shot distance with each club compared to a conventional set, while at the same time offering the main benefit of the Single Length concept of identical swing motion and feel for every club.

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Gary/ Eye4Golf

Tom, received your new book Cap’n Clubmaker on monday and I couldn’t put it down. Finished it last night and your writing style reminded me of the casual chats we had when I would finish my sales calls (eyewear rep) in Durango and would talk golf and club making. I didn’t realize I was chatting to such a celebrity. Any club makers even a hobby builder like me will find your new book entertaining and informative.
Why the new single length? Keeping the TW line new and fresh?

Steve L

Tom, really like the looks of the new EQ1-NX irons. Most, if not all other hollow body models on the market have some sort foam filler in the body. It looks like the EQ 1 does not. Just curious why you didn’t go down that path. I’m not sure what purpose the foam would have other than dampening the sound.
Being LH I was sorry to hear I have to wait another year to try them.
Thanks for your time.

Lee Silverman

Steve – I have the same LH curse – but I have been waiting for a couple years already – bought a set of Cobras to scratch the itch, but I do not love them – thanks, Tom, for getting on this — so Steve and I will be ready when you are….

When will Tom start designing around 70-74 degree lie angles vs the standard 62. I think a few of us would like to play with
clubs designed for true single length with one plane. Or can existing iron heads be modified ?

Tim Odishoo

Can I have these clubs made with Graphite shafts?

Rene Hallmark

Hello,
Do the single length Sterling club heads have the same MOI? What is that consistent MOI?

Thank You
R Hallmark

Hello Tom, I’m,Ike my 6 iron a lot . I know you have concerns regarding the lower irons going to far at 6 Itonlength. But can I get them built that way (6iron)

Stefano

Hi Tom, really tempted by one lenght concept, start to play golf late and really struggle to get consistency, to simplify things I’m thinking to move. Question is are those heads correct for a high handicap golfers or are better for mid-low hcp player ?

Rick Kuhn

Does this mean that you can return Strrling clubsets even if used for 2 weeks on a course. The only SL clubmaker I know will do that is “One Iron”.

Thanks
Rick Kuhn

Joe McManuis

For my set of sterling irons if I choose to go with a length of 37 inches do I tip trim for an 8 iron and butt trim to my desired final length or do I tip trim for a seven iron and butt trim to my desired 37 inch length? Thanks.

Phil

Tom, I’m a 70 year old golfer who typically scores in the 90’s. My driver speed is in the 80’s. I currently use a set of single length steel shafted irons that I bought about 8 years ago. I’m looking for a set of single length clubs with graphite shafts. Will the Sterling clubs work for me or are they intended for better players? How would you compare the Sterling clubs to the Cobra King F9 clubs? Thanks.
Phil

Tom Wishon

PHIL: Many thanks for your interest. I don’t spend much time looking at what other companies do with their head designs because it just never mattered to be to know what they are doing. I have always just worked on my own concepts in my head design work and tend to just keep my head down and do what I do in my own work. But from what little I know about the F9 single length irons I would say that the head designs are probably pretty similar in that both models use a high COR face that is variable… Read more »

Bill Jautze

I am hitting Acer XV pro irons -7-8-9-pw- and all the rest of my clubs are wishon . I’m looking to change out those irons . Looking for a recommendation for the wishon irons!

Tom Wishon

BILL Thanks very much for your interest in our design work. We appreciate that very much. You did not say much about your playing characteristics, swing characteristics, ball striking tendencies so it is pretty hard to pin point one model to recommend for you. I design each iron model on the basis of those elements of the game to try to help golfers identify which model might be better for them and how they play. If you can respond back on this comment thread with some information about your handicap, your strengths and weaknesses in the game, your preferences for… Read more »

Scott Justus

Curious if you have two different websites? I sent a bunch of my information to a Sterling website and have not heard back yet. I am very interested in getting a set but wanted to discuss my specs first…which I sent on an email over a week ago.

Tom Wishon

Scott The sterlingirons.com website and direct sales business is not owned by Wishon Golf. This is a separate independent business and is not affiliated with Wishon Golf or Diamond Golf International. They purchase the Sterling iron heads from us and they do all of their own fitting advice and custom building of the sets for the orders that come to their website. Same as is the case with other clubmakers with the only difference being these people do all their business on line in their fitting of the Sterling irons design. I have heard that sometimes it can take a… Read more »

Lee

Tom, I was considering having a set of Sterling irons built and wanted to match hybrids at the same time to avoid gaps in my set. I noticed the 318RS hybrids have less aggressive lofts, which would be great for me as I live in the desert SW and the ground can be hard. My question is, with the higher lofts on the 318RS hybrids, how would the clubs be set up to have a gapless set from the hybrids to irons (sadly, there is no fitter in my area)?

Tom Wishon

Lee Transitioning hybrids that by virtue of their head weight are intended to be longer than the length of the single length irons, the first decision comes from knowing what will be your lowest number single length Sterling iron. Choosing what will be your lowest number iron is one of the most important parts of single length iron fitting. When all the irons are 7 or 8 iron length, the low loft irons require a certain clubhead speed to be able to get the ball well up to fly and carry so there can be a full club carry distance… Read more »

Gary Lutz

Tom, from what you are saying about lie angle in single length irons being “critical”, how tight of tolerance in the sterling’s? Guessing that I would need to pay for the hand select service to make sure they all are 63 degrees in lie. Would like to add the 4 iron to a sterling set, recently driver swing is 95 might I be safe to say that I am within your 85 speed for 5 iron. I am 6’3”” and hit my 5 iron 190-200? Still using you interflexx wood shafts in fairway woods, would S2S black be closest to… Read more »

Tom Wishon

GARY The stated tolerance is +/-1* but since I have measured literally thousands of Sterling iron heads I can tell you that for the lie 85% are +/-1/2* from the 63* spec while the other 15% are 3/4 to 1* off from the spec. It’s also very similar in loft for each head with 85-90% being less than 1/2* off from the spec and the other 10-15% being 1/2 to 1* off from the loft spec. In the world of clubhead production that really is very good. Most people with a 95mph driver speed are in the area of 77-80… Read more »

Joe K

Tom, Do you have a point of view on the “25 degree golf swing” concept taught by Arlen Bento Jr? I read about it in a USGTF article. The concept is that a simplified more upright swing (25 degrees of forward spine tilt) is very easy to learn and repeat and may help avoid injury. The article discussed a single length set played at 4 iron length (I assume 38.5” in steel). It seems like the premise violates the “24/38” rule you discuss in the search for a perfect golf club – however if the average golfer could build their… Read more »

Tom Wishon

JOE I don’t think there can ever be one type of swing teaching technique that can work well for all golfers because golfers are so very different in their combination of anatomy, physiology, biomechanics, flexibility, muscularity. Some of us can rotate smoothly and consistently in one plane, others in another plane and so forth. Not until some really sharp person skilled in all these fields comes along and figures out a way to analyze each person for these characteristics and then plots that against specific swing techniques will golf instruction really move into the modern era. IMO that is. There… Read more »

James Harrison

I find it very difficult to believe that if I reshaft my existing clubs from 7 iron down to be longer that I’ll notice any balance,lie, moi etc issues. If there are, then I think that they’ll be outweighed by being in a less cramped position for the shots as I’m 6’4 with clubs fitted 1/2″ longer. My wedges feel very short, and are 2 inches shorter than my 7 iron.

Tom Wishon

JAMES No question that if your irons were much too short or too long, re shafting to get them to the right length so you can achieve a more comfortable position over the ball and through impact will have a very big and positive effect on your iron shot consistency and performance. But when you re shaft, if the new shafts are lighter or heavier by more than 7-10 grams over what the shaft was previously, the total weight, the swingweight and the MOI of the irons will have changed enough that a good portion of golfers will have to… Read more »

James Harrison

Hi Tom, thanks for the answer. I spoke to a of a pro who did research on just this topic. While I can agree with all the possible issues, I just don’t see that the theoretical negative effects will be that noticeable and could easily be cancelled out by a small hand adjustment. When are choke down on a club we lean over more, so why is standing a little more upright/further from the ball
with a longer shaft going to be a problem?

Tom Wishon

JAMES The effect of a length change can be different for each golfer depending on how the change in posture affects the swing plane and swing path. For most it is not any issue at all when the length change is small, such as 1/2″. But when the length change is 1″ or even more, it might require a little getting used to for the golfer to adjust to what that length change does to his posture and from it, his plane and path. On the other hand, for some the length change gets them into a much more comfortable… Read more »

Dale May

Tom, I have a 71 year old golfer SS of 71mph 7 iron. He is playing the 770 Hybrids 4,5,6 and 7. He wants me to convert them to Single length.I have not built any of the Sterling irons. He is questioning if it will be of any help to him if they are converted to single length with his 71 MPH SS? Would you give me your input so that I can get back to him .I understand what has to be done to accomplish doing that with weight ,Lenghtsand flex.
Thanks

Tom Wishon

DALE There certainly are some clubmakers who are using the 775’s to offer a single length hybrid option to players because with the two weight bores, you have the ability to add as much as 18g to a 775 head to get it up to a normal swingweight should the single length chose be much shorter than what the std normal length would be for each particular hybrid. The trick to success with single length hybrids is what length do you choose for the golfer who is interested. Now you said he has the 770 hybrids – we never did… Read more »

Steve

Hi Tom, I love the concept of the Sterling, but have a few questions and comments. 1. I am toying with half of your set, e.g. 25, 30, 35 and 40 degree irons at 37″ minimun. I like the 37 to 37.25 length best for my posture. 2. I hit a high ball already, so I like the idea of of ~ 36″ for the higher lofted clubs (45 and above)- 36.5 ” max. So now my question. You specify that clubs can be built at “36.5, 36.75 or 37”, but surely one of your certified clubfitters can fit them… Read more »

Tom Wishon

STEVE: The majority of orders for the heads from clubmakers go to them just with the specs as is, 274 grams head weight with +/-3g tolerance and lofts/lies with +/-1* tolerance. Obviously the majority of the heads are within +/-2g and only a small number of heads are as much as a full degree off from the loft/lie design specs because that is the actual tolerances we see in checking shipments all the time. Most of the clubmakers do their own bending for any lie or loft changes they need to make for each golfer. Sometimes they will ask us… Read more »

usga certified?? Sterlings

Tom Wishon

Tom, yes the Sterling irons are officially conforming to the USGA/R&A rules of golf. That conformity ruling was made early in 2016.
TOM

Tyler Vogt

Tom,
Just a quick question for you. I’m a disabled veteran with neck issues. Do you think the single length irons would be easier to swing? Also do you offer any discounts for veterans? Thanks.

Tom Wishon

Tyler: If you have found that short irons in your set are less stress on your neck while longer irons and clubs to cause you discomfort, then it is possible the single length irons all being an 8 iron length could be better for you. But when you swing your current 8, 9 and wedges, if those irons bring discomfort then no, the single length on its own is not going to be a big change for you in terms of relief when you swing. Our company is a wholesale supplier of my designs to custom clubmakers. We do not… Read more »

Benjamin Peters

Tom, you may have answered this question somewhere before, and my apologies if so. Why not build a set that is less incremental and not quite single length. Say quarter inch differences in the shaft length? I would be curious to try this. Any thoughts? Thanks for you commitment to your craft!

Tom Wishon

Benjamin Yes for sure, I am happy to explain that. One of the biggest reasons that single length came about was because when you make each iron the same exact length, you then perfectly duplicate every single element that has anything to do with swing feel and swing repeatability. same length means same total weight for each iron, same swingweight, same balance point, same MOI – and then you have the same exact ball position, same swing posture, same swing plane, same swing angle of attack which also is a possible way to lead to making the swing more repeatable… Read more »

Rich Douglas

I have on my hands a very pleasing challenge with these clubs. I put the Sterlings into my bag in January. At first it was weird. The high-lofted irons felt strange–looking at those really long clubs! The low-lofted irons felt like I was holding junior clubs. But I took to them immediately and have never turned back. The next adventure was to get used to the lower bounce in the Gap and Pitching Wedges. This caused me to be more aggressive through the ball, which resulted in better strikes throughout the set. (I’ve said all this before in previous posts.)… Read more »

Riche

Been playing these irons since April. I too am experiencing greater accuracy & distances in the short irons as well as the long irons. I too am in my 50’s. I seem to be 1 club plus further in distance than what I was used to using variable length. I believe it is due to the combination of the technology in these clubs (heads & shaft) as well as the consistent ball striking i’m getting. This is the most confident I have felt at address in quite some time and I am having such fun playing golf again. I’ve had… Read more »

Tom Wishon

RICHE
Wow, what a nice comment for me to be able to read and smile about !! Thank you very much for your decision to be fit into a set of the Sterling Irons. We’re very pleased to be able to hear that the new irons are in essence giving you a bit of a new start in this great game ! In short, you really made my day to be able to know that you like the new irons a lot !
Take care and thanks again and the best wishes to you in this great game,
TOM

Kevin

Tom,
Thanks so much for taking the time to go over this topic
with me again. Your patience is appreciated.
Now I understand.
Thank you,
Kevin

Allen Dye

Although I have golfed quite a bit, I’m still very much a novice. A few years ago I suffered a serious back injury requiring fusion of my lower spine. This has made my swing a bit difficult and can be painful with my shorter irons.
I’ve been curious if a single length club could help. Any thoughts?

Tom Wishon

ALLEN If the discomfort is alleviated by you changing your posture in the address position to stand more upright and less bent over, then the change to a single length set which is probably a little bit longer could help. Think about this – in your set of conventional length irons, is there an iron at which the discomfort begins to get worse? What I am getting at is that perhaps you do not feel the pain increase until you get to the 7 or 8 or 9 iron in the set, but it is manageable with the 6 or… Read more »

Rich Douglas

A 6-month update on my Sterlings: I’m a 58 y.o. male, with a 110 (or so) mph driver swing speed playing to something like a 6 HC. I’ve (almost) exclusively played cavity-backed irons in the 28 years I’ve been playing. I have a full set, 4I through gap wedge. In short, I cannot imagine going back to traditional irons. Never say “never,” I guess, but I don’t know what it would take. With my low-lofted irons, my distance is normal, my gaps are good, and my misses are much improved. I really look forward to hitting them (and the accompanying… Read more »

Tom Wishon

RICH Thanks so much for sharing your good experiences with the Sterling single length irons. It never gets old for me being able to hear that something I created has helped make the game a little bit more enjoyable !! Thanks for that treat to me !! And I am pleased to hear it prompted you to move into a shorter driver as well. I started writing back in the mid 90s about the benefits of a shorter driver length over what the big companies have been doing with their too long standard driver lengths. It does work, it is… Read more »

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