Improve Your Putting Consistency With Counter Weighting

Posted by on Aug 2, 2012 in Clubfitting, Putter Fitting | 78 comments

putter counter weightingWhen most golfers think about custom Clubfitting, they think only of the full swing clubs – the driver, fairway woods, hybrids and irons. Few golfers are ever fit for their wedges and putter. Yet within these short game clubs lies the chance to achieve the greatest level of improvement on the golfer’s actual SCORE.

One of the most dramatic putting improvement tools within custom fitting has proven to be the use of a heavy weight inserted into the very grip end of the putter shaft. This is a putter fitting technique called ‘COUNTER WEIGHTING.”

How does putter counter weighting work and what golfers will benefit?

Golfers who putt well have a high level of fine motor control skill. That simply means they have the neuro-muscular ability to move and control objects with their hands at slower speeds in a consistent, repeating and very precise manner. For those of us who do not have fine motor control, by putting a substantial amount of weight in the end of the putter shaft, our hands now feel that heavier weight and are better able to move in a more consistent, repeating manner.

Golfers who have proven to improve their putting with a counter weight all have one or more of the following putting habits:

  • Tendency to both pull and push putts off line
  • A higher than average incidence of off center hit putts
  • Inconsistency with distance control – some putts short and some putts long
  • The path of the putter back and through the ball can be jerky, not very smooth and rhythmic

The most commonly used putter counterweights are the 60g, 80g and 100g weights, with the 80g and 100g counterweights being the most commonly used by most golfers for the putter. There is no question the chance of improved putting performance with a heavy counter weight in the putter is very high. From speaking with clubmakers who offer this fitting service to their golfers and from our own work with golfers, we estimate the putting improvement rate for counter weights to be over 80%.

If you’re interested in hitting putts more consistently and making more putts, go to the FIND A CLUBFITTER locator tool on the home page of Or better yet, click on this direct link to find a clubfitter near you who can install a counter weight in your putter –


  1. Is counterbalance in a putter ONLY the weight added to the shaft or under the grip? Or is it the total weight of the grip and other weight added? So when you say above that in most cases, anything over 100g was not effective, you only mean the added counterweight and NOT the grip, correct?

    • CLIFF

      It is true that once a player begins to use any of the really large and very heavy putter grips currently available, he is then pretty much doing the same thing as using a counterweight in the end of the shaft. The reason we felt that so many golfers seemed to benefit from an 80-100g counterweight in the putter was simply because it puts more weight directly in their hands which can help calm down the hands and arms to be able to make more consistent repeatable strokes with the putter. So in this sense, weight is weight in terms of the heavy grip or heavy counterweight. But keep in mind if most standard putter grips weigh in the area of 60-70 grams, for a grip only to act as the effective counterweight, it should be in the area of 130-150 grams in weight. Although this too can get a little confusing because sometimes a golfer just plain improves his stroke by having a far larger grip in his hands. So when using a big heavy grip as a counterweight, you can never be totally sure if the improvement if seen is from the big diameter or the heavier weight in the grip end. With counterweights you at least get the chance to keep the grip the same size as you may have always liked, but then to have the additional help of more weight in the hands.


  2. Tom,
    In your opinion what would cause a consistent slight miss to right on flat putt. It’s never left. I’m 5 foot 11 and right-handed. I have 2012 Newport 2, 1° loft, 69° lie, 350g head, 51g smaller SuperStroke Flatso 1.0 grip w 57g counterbalance drop-in weight inserted into shaft. I’m sure it could be the stroke, but anything else stand out for it to be something else? Like grip too small, putter too long, lie/loft off, too much weight on either end, etc. I’ve had fittings to get to this, just seeing your thoughts. Thank you.

    • And I’m going to cut the putter down to 34.5 so factor that in. Thanks.

    • Sorry, I had a follow-up here and it must not have submitted. I was asking if there is a point where too much counterbalance weighting is a bad thing. I understand you have to try it to see but before I go replacing grips and installing new grips, is there a point you look at it and go that’s not good. Say in the above scenario with my 35-inch 350g putter head…..I cut it to 34.5 inches and change to 87g grip. So now total counterbalance weight in my hands has gone from 108g to 144g. Grip from 51g to 87g and still 57g drop-in weight. Is that too much? With 350g putterhead, how is swingweight affected? I think it’s at C8 now. Just looking for your insight, thanks.

    • Cliff

      So little is known about the effects of counterweighting full swing clubs that it is impossible to answer your question definitively. From the work I did some years back I would be comfortable with saying that there is no one counterweight amount that could be considered to be good or bad for any golfer. This is because when it comes to weight distribution on golf clubs, every golfer can be different in terms of what they sense to be too light, too heavy, about right or effective or ineffective. All of us are built differently in terms of what we perceive to be heavy or light or OK. So just like clubfitters have to do trial and experimentation when fitting swingweight, same thing applies to counterweights. You start light and keep going heavier until you start to notice things either positive or negative and take it from there. But if I had to put a number on what counterweight would start to feel too odd or too butt heavy to most golfers, I would say anything over 40 grams.

      Now in a putter, it was a little different in terms of outcome. We found that very few seemed to like the putter when a counterweight above 100 grams was added. A few did, not very many though. So even though this trial and experimentation still is the rule of thumb in putter counterweighting, you’ll probably find that most would do better with 80 or 100g.


    • Cliff

      With putting it is not the same in terms of being able to track specific swing characteristics vs fitting parameters to predict results. This is mainly because the putter is swung so slowly compared to the other clubs. I would take a guess to say that consistent pushes could be caused by either, 1) the lie angle being too flat for your set up and stroke; 2) the putter head possibly being a little too head heavy for you and your stroke; 3) the putter possibly being too long for you and your most comfortable set up position.

      Hope this helps a little

  3. Hey Tom! I know this is an old thread but is the counter balance you are talking about here with the heavy weight being placed above the hands or in the hands? I put with a standard 34.5” putter. Would i need to lengthen the putter some and add the weight above my hands to see benefits? Or can i just add the weight straight in to my 34.5” putter to see benefits? Im looking for increased feel for improvingg distance control mainly. Any advice would be great!

    • CHAD

      The counterweights we sell are intended to be installed into the very butt end of the shaft. There is a lip on the end of each counterweight to prevent it from falling down into the shaft. There is a hex nut in the end of each counterweight that you dial to activate a little cam device inside the counterweight that locks the cwt inside the shaft.

      You can put the counter weight into the end of the shaft either before you install the grip or afterward. If you do it before you install the grip you lock the cwt in the shaft, then apply the grip tape and install the grip. The end of the grip ends up pushing right against the very end of the counterweight with no problems. To install the counterweight after the grip is installed, you will need to have the special cutter tool we sell to go with the counterweights. That tool is locked into a chuck of a hand drill. You insert the pilot pin on the cutter into the air vent hole on the end of the grip. Then you drill straight down and the cutter will cut perfectly through the end cap of the grip to expose the open end of the butt of the shaft.

      You drop the counterweight down the open end of the shaft butt. Again, the lip on the end of the cwt prevents it from falling into the shaft. You then dial down the hex nut to lock the cwt into the shaft. And that is it. The end of the Cwt is nicely finished and becomes the end of your grip.

      For putters we recommend experimenting with either an 80 or 100g counterweight. Some have tried a 60g but very few ever notice any real difference in consistency with that light of a counterweight in a putter. For woods and irons, the most commonly used counterweights are 20 and 30g. Most notice nothing at all with a 12g weight and most feel that a 40g weight in the woods or irons is too heavy.

      The whole idea of a counter weight is to put more weight in the HANDS to help them calm down more during the stroke or swing. What we have found with the putter is that an 80 or 100g cwt can help calm down the stroke and make the stroke more smooth, more controlled. So from this can come better distance control, a reduction in pull/push tendency and an improvement in on center hit capability.

      Hope this helps,

  4. I have a Scotty Cameron Golo7 Dual Balanced 38 length putter. I would like to cut down the shaft and make it 34 length and install a heavier grip instead of the one that came with the putter. Will the difference in the shaft length when I reduce it from 38 to 34 make the putter too heavy? Will I ruin the putter if I do that?

    • Why not leave it at 38″? My 38″ putter doesn’t quite reach my belly, and I grip at 32″ With 75 gm in the butt it is perfectly counterbalanced for me.

      If you cut to 34″ it will make the head seem much heavier, and will require a lot more counterweight to balance. And at 34″, there may not be enough lever arm above your hands to counterbalance at all.

    • MIKE

      The act of putting and putter fitting is SO individual and so subject to subjective intangibles of golfer feel and sensation that it is impossible to predict the outcome of any putter change on any one person’s performance with the putter. This truly is an area of “one man’s feast is another man’s famine” when it comes to fitting and equipment performance. So much of proper putter fitting is trial and experimentation because there are just no ways to empirically measure a golfer’s perception of feel as it applies to smoothness and consistency in the stroke. Typically, cutting a putter from 38″ in length to 34″ will most definitely reduce the amount of head feel – you’ll likely sense that the putter feels too light in the head end. A usual response to this is to add weight to the head a little at a time until you start to get the feeling that you feel the head enough to enable you to begin to generate a more consistent rhythm and stroke. Now with this putter, which I do not know in detail because I have never analyzed one, the fact the putter is named “Dual Balanced” to me says that there is some weight putt in the very grip end of the putter in addition to the weight of the head. If that is true, and I am speculating only, then depending on how they may have put that weight in the end of the shaft, when you cut the putter from 38″ down to 34″, you would likely be removing most to all of that grip end weight. That will then slightly offset a reduction in head weight feel during the stroke that would be happening just because of the major length reduction. Again, you won’t know until you cut it down, re grip it and start hitting putts, and then adding weight experimentally to see if more of a headweight feel helps the consistency and rhythm of your stroke. One other thing – you obviously are considering this much of a length reduction for a specific reason. If in fact you really sense that your stroke rhythm and consistency is being adversely affected by the 38″ length, which is really long for a normal putting stroke putter, then the move down to 34″ when also coupled with working hard to get the head weight feel up to where you sense it well enough, could help.

      Sorry for all the rambling but in such areas of subjective results, I can only explore the options to let you know what might happen. In the end because we golfers are so different in how we react to and perceive weight and length changes in golf clubs, with the putter you just have to experiment. And the only real way to add weight to a putter head is with lead tape. So in doing that you have to live with lead tape being on the head. Putting it down the shaft is for sure possible but it takes more time, is more of a hassle and enough weight down the shaft can move the putter head center of gravity quite far away from the center of the head, resulting in less solid impact feel when you hit the putt in the center of the face.

  5. Hi Tom,

    Tom, you give excellent advice on counterbalancing weights in putters.I have bought a Odyssey Black Series Tour design blade putter.It is a 35″ model and I usually play with 34″ putters.With these stock putters,the 34″ putter heads weigh 350 grams and the 35″ heads heads weigh 340 grams.I would like to cut my putter down 1″ to the 34″ length.First of all, would you recommend I cut the 1″ off to more suit my length preference?

    I want to try counterbalancing my putter. I like the Super Stroke 2.0 grips which only weigh 50 grams ( probably close I am guessing to the standard Odyssey grip that is on the putter now) If I put a counterbalancing weight of 80 or 100 grams in the end of the putter shaft, is the Super Stroke mid slim 2.0 a good choice grip length or should I get a grip that is longer because of the counterbalancing weight?
    If I do cut the 1″ off the putter and the head being 10 grams lighter than the stock 34″ putter, would the 100 gram counterweight be probably a better option or would the 80 gram weight be a better option to adjust for the lighter headweight at the new 34″ length?

    • MARC:

      Always happy to help. Everyone’s putter length is a completely individual decision to make, with the key requirement being comfort over the ball for how much you bend over in your set up, and to make sure your arms are not scrunched up nor stretched out too much. You can get a feel for your length without any putter in your hands, but with a 2nd person to do a measurement. Bend over into your most usual and comfortable posture that you use in putting with your eyes directly over a golf ball on the floor. Just let your arms both hang straight down relaxed while you maintain that posture and eye position over the ball. Now just touch your wrists together while maintaining your posture comfortably. Have someone measure the distance from the floor where the ball is sitting up to your wrists. That’s your putter length.

      Counterweighting is most definitely a trial and experimentation process. There is no set way to determine who putts better with an 80g or 100g counterweight. You need to try both, putt with both for a while, and then pick which one feels better to you. In most cases, the choice of the counterweight has very little to do with the headweight. When you are using a counter weight of that much mass, a difference of 10 grams on the head end is not going to show up as much of a difference in feel when you putt. So go ahead and do this at 340 grams headweight when you experiment back and forth between the 80 and 100g counterweight.

      Hope this helps,

  6. Hi there.
    Is the counter weight weight relative to the weight of the putter head? If the head is heavy, and with scotty you can adjust the weight, do you need heavier weight or do you buy a kit that you then find your own balance?

    • James
      No, the counterweight mass has nothing to do with the weight of the head. If I had to put a proviso on the mass I would say very roughly speaking that the worse the golfer is for distance control + off center hits + push/pull tendency, the heavier the counterweight could be to help calm down the stroke more to offer improvement. That being said, we have seen much more success with either an 80 or 100g counterweight than with a 60g. And 40g is too light, while over 100g tends to get to be too heavy for most players we have tested with. But it most certainly is a trial and experimentation between a 60, 80 and 100 gram counterweight to be sure. So that at least pulls it down to a choice of three.


  7. Tom,

    You have been very helpful in previous questions answered so I send another one your way. Is there a general ratio of butt end weight to headweight that has been found to most positively impact the highest degree of golfers? I have tested a high MOI putter with a 350 gram head and a 54 gram Rosemark 1.52 grip. On most days the weighting is fine. On my shakiest days it does not help smooth my swing, something I have consistent trouble with. My misses cover all your reasons for the need for counterbalancing. A very experienced manufacturer’s fitter has suggested adding 30 grams to the head with a 50 gram counterweight. Is there a better ratio and/or weight choices from which to begin counterbalancing?


    • Michael

      No there is not any such investigated ratio of weight on one end of the putter vs the other. The fitter you reference is right. We began messing around with research into counterweighting putters about 5 yrs ago and found that a very high percentage of golfers can calm down the stroke action to be more consistent and repetitive with the stroke with an 80 or 100 gram counterweight in the very butt end of the shaft. 50g is too light, believe me. We tested everything from 12g to 150g and found that the vast majority reacted positively to either an 80 or 100g counter weight. With no additional weight added to the head. Where this seems to shine is for golfers who 1) have distance control consistency problems, 2) have push/pull tendencies on a regular basis, one way or the other, 3) go through bouts of hitting putts off center.

      Now if the golfer is using one of these very heavy grips, that should be taken into account for the counter weight mass. For example, if you use a more conventional weight grip on the putter which would be from say, 50 to 65g, then use either the 80 or 100g counter weight. but if your putter grip was really large and heavy at say a grip weight of 100g, then you would reduce the actual counter weight down to 60 or 50g. At least these are things we found in our work some years back. Since then we presented this to the clubmakers and many of them have pursued it with great success.


    • Tom,

      Thank you so much for the reply. So, I am slightly confused. In one statement you write that the fitter is correct. I assume you are referring to him suggesting an increase in hand weight 30 grams to 380 grams and in grip end weight 50 grams to 107 grams total, grip plus counterweight. But then you wrote 80-100 grams of additional butt weight with no adfitional head weight is what is needed to quiet hands. I am probably misunderstanding, but can you help clarify it for me? I have had some previous success with heads around 365-370 grams and grip end total weight of around 105 grams. Anything specific to me and my decision is much appreciated! Thank you so much

    • I only meant that the fitter was correct in terms of talking about a counterweight. From that I led into talking about our experiences and told you what counterweight amounts worked best and that there is no need to change the headweight. So your fitter is wrong about the 50 grams + add headweight in terms of what we found from our extensive research work with many golfers. BUt he was right in at least just bringing up the use of a counterweight.


    • Michael,

      I would suggest that you hold the putter at your normal length with two fingers. Swing it above the turf lightly as if putting. Observe how far the head swings past your hands. Then putt. Experiment with various “excess swing distances” until your putting is consistent, particularly for longer lag putts. Keep that weight as your preferred weight.

      In my case, I found that if the head just slightly passes my hands, it’s just right.


    • I thank everyone very much for the responses! I respect them very much!

  8. Tom,

    Quick question on putters. With all your experience, have you concluded what types of sight lines/sight dots (or no lines/dots) work best for the average putter? I know it’s probably what makes the person feel better but wondering your opinion. I’m thinking of going from one sight line to three sight lines and a dot on an answer-type putter. Thank you for your time.

    • CLIFF

      There is no question that one set up of alignment lines on a putter cannot possible work well for all golfers because there are definite differences in people’s eye dominance and other eye related factors that affect how people see things. There have been PGA Tour players who have sought out analysis from eye specialists to determine this, so they could then have their sponsoring company make the alignment lines on their putter so it corresponds to how they see things. I know Tom Kite was one who did this in the past when he was playing the regular tour. For the rest of us, we simply have to head into a store where they have tons of putters surrounding a practice putting green and just look at different alignment line makeups to see which one puts you in a better position to actually have the face lined up to your intended target. It’s either that or you go talk to your eye Dr and see if he knows much about how to test for this.


  9. Thank you for all your time and answers to everyone’s questions. So interesting to read.

    If my 35-inch 2016 Scotty Cameron Newport 2 putter started with 2x10g weights (new) and I can experiment with adding 2x15g, 2x20g, 2x30g or 2x40g weights, will using a 50g putter grip with an additional 50g weight in it (this is how Superstroke does it, so total putter grip weight of 100g) just cancel out the weight I increased in the putter head? I’ve always thought I like a heavier putter head, but up above in one of the responses to you, someone realized they had been doing it wrong all along, putting weight in the head and not the grip. When experimenting with adding weight, would you say we should concentrate more on the grip than the putter head? I know it’s all individual feel, but should I be trusting the original intent of the putter designer and just add weight to the grip and keep putter head weight at original 2x10g?

    • CLIFF
      When you put weight in the very grip end of the putter and leave the head weight as it is, you still feel the presence of that headweight because the grip end weight is laying right in your hands, while the headweight is still out there dangling at the end of the shaft around 30 something inches from your hands. So the head weight can still exert its feel influence on your overall sense of feel. Were you to add weight anywhere below the hands, it would affect the head weight feel more dramatically.

      Whether that ends up feeling right to YOU PERSONALLY is something no one but you can answer or predict. That’s why when it comes to putter weighting and working with different weighting combinations on either end of the putter, it truly becomes an experimental process to try it, putt for a while with it, note the things you feel, and make an assessment after 3-4 sessions with the putter as to what you need to do – more or less weight in the grip end, more or less weight in the head end.

      I am sorry this isn’t a cut and dried thing in fitting technology. Weight fitting, whether we;re talking about putters or any other club, will always be a matter of trying to assess and estimate a golfer’s preference for where he wants to feel mass and about how much, and then you go to work to experiment with different amounts in the areas that you sense will be in line with your preference for specific weight feel.

      This would theoretically be a job for a new machine called a “human-weight-feel-o-meter” and so far, such a device has never been invented !! And probably never will,


  10. Tom, thank you very much. One last question, will the normal 10-15 handicap notice a 15g difference in grip weight, going from 85g to 100g (If the putter head-weight of 360g stays the same)?

    • CLIFF

      More than likely not and that includes players better than a 10-15. 15g on the grip end is a very small amount of weight which falls into the insignificant category. However, there can be a person here and there who just happens to have a more refined sense of feel. But I would say if you lined up 100 golfers you might find one or two maybe who might feel a difference from 15 g. When we talk about putter fitting and using counterweights in the butt end to help improve putting consistency, our research showed that the vast majority of golfers did not experience improvement until the weight added in the grip end was 80 to 100 grams. Some experienced improvement at 60g, not not nearly as many as at 80 to 100g. Virtually none had improvement at 40g or less.


  11. Tom, I made a big mistake this year thinking a switch to a wider Newport 2-like putter would help me even though I was already a pretty good putter. I got a Bettinardi Kuchar 1 wider putter, beautifully made, but results were not good. And to compound, I sold my old Newport 2 putter. So I just got a 2016 Newport 2 with 2x10g weights (my old one had 2x15g weights). I se a 85g Flatso 1.0 putter grip. Now these come with an optional 50g weight for inside the putter grip. Since my putter head is now 10g lighter, should I use the extra 50g in the grip or just keep it at 85g? Or got to 135g? My other option is just to buy the new 15g weights for the putter head from Scotty Cameron. Just looking for thoughts from you as you know much more than me. Thank you.

    • CLIFF

      No one but you can determine whether to use the 50g grip weight or not. There are no measurements, no devices that exist with which anyone could detect what a golfer’s best weighting for consistency would be. weighting can only be determined by trial and experimentation over some time. So you’ll have to putt for a while with the 50g weight in the grip and without it and then think about which one allowed you to be more consistent in distance control, pull/push tendency and off center/on center hit percentage.


  12. Thanks Tom
    It’s good to speak to someone who is willing to offer independent advice willingly in order to increase the knowledge of golfers world wide.

    Thanks again


    • Peter
      Thanks for you interest for sure. The reason I have always done this in my career is because there is so much misinformation out there which can be so misleading to golfers who simply want to know the facts. I know this stuff better than any one now because I have been digging deep into it for some 40 yrs chiefly because I wanted to know the answers. Glad to help anytime.


  13. Thanks Tom,

    Great answer as usual.

    Having read your answer I can probably guess your answer to the next question.

    Have you any evidence that counterbalancing helps delay the release for players with an early release?

    • PETER

      There is no 100% association with this, but we have seen some golfers be able to hold the wrist cock angle a little longer with counterweights, typically in the 30g to 40g level more than with the 12 to 20g level. But we’ve also seen golfers with an early release keep that same early release with a counterweight as well. I can say from several years of studying the relationship of the swing to fitting that the body has an amazing ability to overcome/offset/counteract certain changes in golf clubs but not others. For example, if a golfer changes from a heavier club to a lighter one, in the first day or two he definitely notes that the club does feel lighter and his swing reacts to that. But many times by the 3rd, 4th, 5th time he uses the lighter clubs, his perception is that they are not that light feeling anymore because the body has adjusted. Other things as well like that. So because golfers’ are so different in all their combinations of body characteristics and swing characteristics, we search for “specific generalities” – common threads in other words but with the realization that few things in fitting are 100% in their outcome. 80-90% in in some fitting areas for sure, but rarely 100% because of the way the body can work in reaction to various club changes.



  14. Hi Tom
    I am in the process of having a set of 771 CSI’s fitted and built.
    I find the technical side of golf to be as interesting as attempting to build a good swing.
    I am interested in the concept of counterbalancing the irons.
    I am 6′ 2″ and weigh approx 260lbs
    My ss with a 6 iron is 74-76mph
    I have a reasonably smooth swing with an early to mid release
    Could you tell me what the possible benefits of counterbalancing may be and what sort of weight would be a sensible starting point?
    Have you done any experimentation with the effects of counterbalancing on performance of irons?

    • Peter

      Thanks very much for your message and we are always glad to help with any information we can from our work. Yes, we have done quite a bit of work in testing with counterweights in the butt end of woods, irons and putters as well. First off, no question that for golfers who suffer from putter problems such as poor distance control, push/pull tendency and off center hits with the putter, using a heavy counterweight in the end of the putter, such as a 60, 80 or 100g counterweight shows definite improvement in at least 70-80% of those golfers. It’s because putting that much more weight in the HANDS helps to calm down the hands and arms in the putting stroke to make up for a lack in fine motor control to begin with.

      But with the full swing clubs of the woods and irons, we have not yet been able to find any “common thread” so to speak that could tell us for whom the use of counter weights in the full swing clubs would be better and why. The first concept of counterweights in the full swing clubs was to say that golfers who had the tendency to start the downswing too abruptly, too quickly, too forcefully, too aggressively should possibly gain some improvement on achieving better control with the downswing move to impact with a counterweight in the butt end. Same reason in thought – more weight in the hands where the hands and arms make this too forceful move to start the downswing could calm things down to help improve overall swing timing and tempo.

      But it hasn’t shown that. We’ve seen strong very aggressive swingers find improvement as well as get nothing from counterweights of 12, 20, 30, 40g in the butt end of the grip. And at the same time we have seen smooth, passive swingers also find improvement as well as get nothing from counterweights. So as yet, we cannot find a common thread of what swing type or swing characteristics could tip us off as to who would improve from counterweighting and who would not.

      What that means is at present, this is a trial and experimentation thing for golfers who are interested to try it with different counterweight increments from 12g to 40g with a test iron to see what happens over the course of at least 3-4 different days, both on the range and on the course. I will say that when we did see swing improvement from a counterweight, it was hardly ever with the 12 or 20g counterweights but seemed to be more with the 30g and sometimes the 40g.

      So I am sorry I can’t be more definitive to say yes we know the whole answer. We don’t, and as I said, it stands as a try it and see what happens. And then maybe over time as we hear back from more and more clubmakers who experiment with this with their golfers, perhaps there can be a common thread that begins to show up to help us understand more and predict better who could improve from using counterweights in the full swing clubs.


  15. My 9 year old son uses an adult putter cut down to 28 inches. Does cutting it effect how it plays and would an adjustment need to be made, perhaps counterbalancing? Thanks

    • Geoff:

      with regard to cutting down a PUTTER for use by a junior, the key things are going to be, 1) getting the length just right for his size and posture over the ball, 2) adjusting the lie angle of the putter so the head sits flat on the green in the center of the sole without the toe or heel sides of the head tilted up – most putter heads are eligible to be bent to adjust lie if they have a conventional stem type hosel. Those that have a single or double bend steel shaft inserted directly into the head are a lot more difficult to adjust for lie because it requires bending the shaft to do that, and that is no simple task to do without damaging the shaft. 3) getting a suitable size grip for the junior – for a kid’s first putter as he is learning the game, it is totally fine to use a round junior grip – as he gets older and bigger and stays with the game, then you can change to a flat top type putter grip. But in the beginning a round junior grip is fine for a putter.

      Counter balancing is really not necessary to start with for a new junior. Now if your son really develops an interest in the game such that he really focuses and concentrates on trying to putt well with this putter, if in that case you see him struggling to stroke the putter on line with the head moving all over the place, then add a good chunk of weight to the HEAD to start with to try to help him gain a little more control.


  16. Hello Tom,
    Thank you very much for answer us all. A couple of years ago one asked you here if the weights within the shaft, more in the middle, than at the grip end was useful. Back then you didn’t have it clear. Lacking experience you said.
    In my putter I want to put the counterweights, but Tour Lock has two different solutions: Weights at the grip end or the opti-vibe that gets deeper (about 7 inches recommended).

    Two years later, What do you recommend?

    Thanks in advance,

    • Albert:

      When it comes to PUTTERS, I feel strongly from our experience that the counterweights should be in the very grip end of the shaft, not in the middle areas. The reason the counterweighting works to calm down the putting stroke is by putting a substantial amount of additional weight right in the hands of the golfer. Putting the counterweight in the very end of the shaft puts it right where the hands are on the grip.

      I still have not done any other research with mid shaft weighting because I just have not had the time nor the inclination of priority to look more into that. But I do feel from all my experience over the years that there can be some cases for some golfers in which mid shaft weighting would be ok WITH THE FULL SWING CLUBS. But here again, it is going to be a trial and experimentation process using different mid shaft weighting for each different golfer to try to find if there is a mid shaft counterweight that can help them achieve better swing tempo consistency.


  17. Tom,
    I have a set of Ping i20 with Steelfiber 70cw a-flex, I’m thinking of countebalancing, should I try with ~40g and see, I’m 67 years and plays of 6 hcp, my 6i is 72mph, slow/moderate swing. One problem is that Steelfiber has a smaller insert than steel, how do I handle this.

    • Bjorn:
      If you know for sure that the inside diameter of the shafts you have is too small to accept the counterweights such as we offer, then your only alternative will be to go to a hardware supply store and look for an item called a CLEVIS PIN. Clevis pins are solid steel plain bolts that should be small enough to insert into the butt end of the shaft. They do tend to come only in one size, which means one weight only. So to get to whatever weight you desire to experiment with counterweighting you would have to either saw off a portion of the pin or grind it off. Sorry I do not have any better solution for you if in fact the ID of the shafts won;t accept the diameter of the counterweight.


  18. I bought new irons which are game improvement types. I really like them on full shots. BUT my chipping has suffered because the short irons feel rather head heavy. Would counterweighting them help to make the heads feel lighter? If so, roughly how much weight would it take to make a difference? Thanks for any help you can give me.

    • GARY

      Typically for most golfers, counterweighting to reduce the swingweight has somewhat of an opposite effect because it raises the WHOLE WEIGHT of the club. However, it is true that counterweighting will move the balance point of the club away from the head, so depending on how much weight might be added to the grip end, it is possible that this could reduce the amount of headweight feel to bring about some change. In such cases though it is always best to just experiment with ONE club to add weight to the grip end to see if that helps. To get the balance point moved a measurable amount away from the head would require at minimum that 20 grams be put in the grip end of the club.


  19. I would like to extend my putter from 34″ to 38″ and add a counterweight. Will these counter weights work in an extension?

    • The counterweights are exactly 1/2″ in diameter for the portion that has to live inside the grip end of the shaft. So whatever extenders you may use need to have an inside diameter of a smidge over 1/2″.


    • Your approach is exactly what I have done. And it WORKS! I’ve putted with Rife putters (2 Bar Mallet Hybrid and Deep Blue) for years. After looking at the various “counterbalanced” putters in the shops, I built my own. First I experimented with a belly putter I bought used. With my grip lead-hand-low at 32″, the 38″ length of the putter missed my oversize belly by an inch or two.

      My first fix was to add a 100gm weight in the butt of the club. Suddenly I had a true counterbalanced putter. If I hold the putter lightly with two fingers of my lead hand, I can swing it back and forth without the clubhead passing my hands. Basically the club is now an extension of my arms. And my lag putting went from hit and miss to very good.

      Put simply, counterweighting in this manner takes the hands out of putting, which is something almost every “expert” recommends. I have made a minor adjustment with my Rife Deep Blue, reducing the counterweight to 75gm, but that simply leaves a bit of momentum to apply to the ball for a good roll.

      For anyone else who wishes to try true counterweighting for their putter, here are the steps.
      1. With your normal putting stance, make sure the putter shaft is an inch or two short of your belly.
      2. Put on a belly-length grip.
      3. Drill the butt cap and insert the counterweight.

      The belly putter grip will allow your normal grip position.

    • TED

      Thanks very much for your information and your testimonial about counterweighting on putters. We are sold on it for sure because it most certainly can calm down the putting stroke to allow players to be far more consistent with their putting. Good for you !! And the best to you in this great game !

  20. Hi Tom,

    I’ve had a putter fitting last season to fine tune my Scotty Cameron putter, and ended up shortening the putter by 1/4inch, and adding a counterweight (although I think only a 40gram…but can’t remember for certain).

    I had a question regarding the counterweight vs head weight, as the Cameron putters have the ability to swap out head weight. Is there a time (other than to adjust for speed of greens) that one would benefit from making the head of the putter heavier vs lighter? Also, how does the head weight affect the amount of weight you would add as a counterweight?

    One last question off topic: putter length. Is there a tried and true way to verify that you are using the right putter length? I struggle with feeling like a shorter putter is more comfortable, but not sure if it’s truly better for my putting stroke, or actually hurting my stroke. Not talking about abnormally short putter…just the difference between an inch or 1/2 inch shorter than standard.


    • JOSH

      The scope of what you ask about here is somewhat detailed for sure, and could rank as being at least a 2 beer discussion in the 19th hole!! But I’ll try to be succinct and to the point, which of course for me is tough to do with my propensity to explain things and my ability to type fast!

      The weight feel of a putter shall forever be a matter of individual taste, i.e. what feels the best to each different golfer. The goal of the right weight feel in any club, putter included, is to find that balance of total weight, headweight, and balance point that falls right into each golfer’s “wheelhouse” of preference so they end up with the most consistent stroke repeatability, a stroke that is more natural without having to think about it or make conscious manipulations in the stroke. What that combination of total weight, headweight, and balance point happens to be will often be different for different golfers for several reasons.

      What that means is that this area of fitting will likely forever be an area that requires trial and experimentation by the golfer, trying different combinations of weight in the head, weight in the grip end of the putter, sometimes both, before that lightbulb of perfect feel illuminates and from it comes that consistent stroke repeatability, a stroke that is more natural without having to think about it or make conscious manipulations.

      From a fitting standpoint, we’re not totally in the dark on this. Experience shows tendencies form which we can at least make recommendations for what to experiment with first, second and so on in this quest for the perfect weight feel. First is to try a 60g, 80g and 100g counterweight in the grip end of the putter shaft. Do this over 4 to 5 different days so your feel perceptions have a chance to balance out over time, and so you can see then if having substantially more weight IN THE HANDS during the stroke offers you more stroke consistency. Heavy counterweighting has shown an approximate success/improvement rate of well more than 50% of all golfers. Hence the reason we suggest to start there.

      If that doesn’t do it, then shift to experimenting with headweight increases. Here you are a bit more limited in how to do that. Lead tape is about the only practical means to add weight to the head. This too you have to do a little at a time, and allow enough time between substantial weight additions to the head to see how your stroke reacts.

      In Putter length fitting for conventional non belly style putters, we teach that the golfer first has to find his most comfortable stance and posture – at what amount of bending over at the waist with the arms only hanging straight down relaxed on their own is the golfer most comfortable. In this stance and posture, with the arms hanging perfectly relaxed, not extended down, not scrunched up, you then touch your wrists together. The distance from your wrists to the floor at an angle of 72* is your starting point for conventional putter length. From that point you may experiment with +/-1/2″ for comfort sake, but you’ll be pretty darn close.

      IN the end, with a conventional putter, it is all about the length that offers the most comfort over the ball with the arms never stretched in extension too much nor scrunched up against the body – with the lie of the putter head set so that the putter head touches the ground dead center in the middle of the sole from heel to toe.


  21. Tom-

    Great insights, as always. I’ve been experimenting with one the newer counterbalanced putters on the market with much success (the ‘tank’, at at 36′, has a 30g counterweight, is my understanding). I put on a heavier grip (a belly style at 135g vs. the original one that was 70g on the 36 model), and it feels great – and i’m putting alot better.

    My question – generally – lets say you’ve got heavier putter head, a counter weight, and a heavier grip.

    At what point would one become concerned about the flext of the putter shaft?

    I would think it’d be less of an issue when counterwighting, then when adding weight to the head, but i’d also think you’re adjusting the bend point in the shaft regardless of whether the weight is added to the butt or the head.


  22. Hi Tom

    Wow, thanks for the answer. Was expecting some days waiting time. But no. Thanks a lot!
    I went through a SAM Putting Lab Section and here are some of my numbers regarding the hand position and face path with a Plumbers Neck putter. Shaft angle 1.5 addloft, Putter loft 3.0 = 4.5 positive. pred spin: back. Rise angle 1.9 up, pred launch: 3.8.
    Does that help in determing the offset? From those numbers I, myself would suggest less of an offset and maybe in the region of 2.0* of loft. Would a right eye dominant right handed putter most often prefer a long sight line in order to be able to align it down through the intended target line?


  23. Hi Tom

    I am very inclined to find out which offset to the putter would fit me the best. My ball-position is inside my left heel, I am right eye dominant, and I have a a very little-to no forward press. My arch is 6 degrees back and 6 degrees forth.
    From what I have read on different forums, I would guess that a ½ shaft offset (Slant neck) and somewhere in the region of 2 degrees loft would be the most beneficial, would that be your interpretation as well? How much do you rely on toe-hang in terms of fitting a putter?

    • Jesper:

      Technically speaking, the combination of your ball position with your hands position at impact with the offset and loft of the putter all have to be combined for the goal of achieving the very best roll of the ball as it leaves the putter, as well as for the importance of you being able to line the putter up accurately to the target. In your message you did not say where your hands are, either at impact or in the address position with the putter. You did say your ball position was off the left heel. With a putter, that is more forward in the stance than most golfers use. So if your hands are more centered in your body, that means you are adding loft to the putter in the address position. But where your hands are at impact determines what the loft of the putter is when it hits the ball. And that is the important element for what the roll of the ball is off the face.

      If you have more offset with the putter, either done with the design of the hosel or with a double bend shaft, that can put the putter head even a little more back of your hands. But without knowing anything about where your hands are AT IMPACT in relation to the putter head and the ball, it is difficult to say whether you might be better off with more, less or no offset on the putter head.

      For MOST GOLFERS, the amount of offset on the putter is more of a matter of what they are comfortable in looking at, and also a matter of how well can you align the face of the putter behind the ball to your target line.

      With respect to the question on toe hang, I do not really agree with the people in the industry who say that a heel shafted putter with definite toe hang is better for golfers with your type of arch in your putting stroke. The putter is moving at such a low speed in the stroke. It is also the heaviest clubhead. Those two elements in my opinion mean that there is no advantage or disadvantage to having the shaft all the way in the heel of the putter head for an arching type of stroke.

      Putter head selection has to be done on the basis of, 1) how much confidence does the putter bring to you; 2) with your eye dominance, can you be accurate in lining up the face of the putter to the target; 3) if you hit a lot of putts off center or if you are more inconsistent with your distance control and accuracy, use the putter that satisfies points #1 and 2 previously here, but which also has a very high MOI; 4) the putter head also has to have a suitable headweight for your sense of headweight feel of the putter during the stroke so that you can achieve a smooth, consistent stroke; 5) finally, the putter should have a loft that matches well with your hand to head position at impact so that the roll of the ball off the face is proper with no hopping or pinching of the ball into the green.


  24. Tom,

    Balance point is the key to better, consistent ball striking whether using or not using counter weights or internal shaft weights. I beg to differ with you regarding the fact that in some cases spin and launch angle conditions can be optimized by using internal shaft weight placement in the correct position. As far as counter weighting for swinging clubs if people use 40-50 gram counter weights that is way too much weight in the grip for 90 percent of players. swing speed at that point will reduce and the weight will not be as effective.

    • BRAD:

      When I have spoken about 40-50 gram counterweights bringing about some form of shot improvement for golfers, I do NOT mean this is something that would work for all golfers. In no way can every golfer gain improvement from that. I think I have been pretty clear to say that, but I also have been clear to say that counterweighting for the woods and irons is very much a trial and error, hit and miss situation. Hence a thing that if a golfer is interested in experimenting, he should try it. And yes, most will probably sense that the clubs are too heavy.

      However, the reason that not all golfers would sense that 40-50g in the end of the grip is a heavy feel is because weight that you add right at the very end of the grip does not change the Moment of Inertia of the golf club very much at all, On an actual MOI measurement machine you would be amazed at how small the increase is in MOI for some significant additions of weight to the end of the grip. Now if you add weight to the head, that now greatly increases the MOI of the club.

      So my point is – the MOI of the club is one very good and reliable way to determine how much effort it takes for the golfer to swing the club. The higher the MOI of the fully assembled club, the more effort the golfer has to make to swing the club. By putting weight in the end of the grip, you do not increase the MOI very much at all. So it is very possible for some golfers, by no means a majority of golfers, to add 40-50g to the end of the grip and not sense that the club swings with that much more of a heavy FEEL.


  25. Tom –

    Although not related to putters, I have a question for you regarding counter weighting a driver.

    I have spent all morning reading through post on the TWGT forum, and now my head is spinning! I read multiple posts where fitters were placing the back weight under the low hand, and the result was helping to reduce hand action, thus reducing a draw tendency.

    So my question is; would placing the weight under the top hand aid in closing the face quicker and assist in reducing a slice/fade?

    Many thanks, my putting continues to improve since back weighting it!


    • Bob

      Let’s make sure we stop your head from spinning with the truth about counterweighting in full swing clubs. In NO WAY will moving the counterweight between the upper and lower hand have ANY separate effect on shot performance. Counterweighting in the full swing clubs is done to add weight to the grip end of the club so as to try to help the golfer smooth out a fast, forceful transition and tempo. You cannot put the weight more under one hand and see one type of performance or move it to be under the other hand and see a different type of performance.

      Counterweighting is only there to try to give the golfer more weight in his HANDS TOGETHER so that he does not get quite as fast or forceful with his transition and tempo, and from that hopefully gain more shot consistency. But in all of our testing, it is not a sure thing. Some golfers with a fast tempo/forceful transition do not gain anything while others definitely do. So at present it is a trial and error situation within clubfitting. We have also found that if it is successful for a golfer, it tends to be more successful with counterweight amounts of 40 to 50 grams, not lighter weighting like 12 to 20 grams. For more weight in the grip to be able to help a golfer control his tempo and transition a little better, that amount of weight has to be more significant.


  26. Putter fitting has improved my own putting greatly, to the extent that I have gone from being a lousy putter to quite a good one. The most recent change to my putter made an enormous difference and I’d like to share it.

    I play a 2-ball Odyssey head style, reshafted, super-oversize elliptical grip, length, loft, and lie adjusted to my setup. I chose the 2-ball style after experimenting with a lot of heads to find the one that gave me the best directional alignment.

    But there was a problem. It seemed like my distance control was inconsistent, and from time to time the ball would come off the face “funny”, like it would jump a little off-line right at impact, and it wouldn’t feel right. Off-center contact, right?

    Yes, but not in the axis you think. My stroke is very consistent in the side-to-side direction. The problem was the face height. The 2-ball head is an insert design with a face height of about 0.9 inches. My habit is to brush the top of the grass with the sole of the putter. That geometry often results in ball not on the insert, but rather on the metal rim surrounding the insert.

    I tried training myself to “hover” the putter, but was unable to do that consistently. The solution was to glue 1/8″ acrylic to the sole, raising the head just enough for consistent on-insert contact. I beveled the leading edge.

    The difference in feel is dramatic. Gone are those sporadic “just a little squirrely” rolls.

    • Mitch

      GREAT TO HEAR!! There is typically no more dramatic change in a golfer’s score and enjoyment than getting more putts in the hole!! Good for you and best wishes in this great game!!


  27. By holding the club between two finger and tapping the head on the floor, moving the location of the fingers up and down the grip you can easily find a location of max vibration. The shaft will vibate for several seconds. I’ve heard that the amount of counter weight added should move this resonance node to location between the hands. True?

    • Kim:

      No, I have never heard of this before. In thinking about it and comparing this to my knowledge of clubfitting and golf club performance, I would not think that this could have very much of an influence on the performance of any club in the bag. The variables that influence this form of vibration and location of it just are not elements that have much of anything to do with club performance for the majority of golfers.

      But you sometimes never know – and some other helpful things come as a result of an experiment that did not reveal what was anticipated. So do the experimentation and see what happens and always do have fun in this great game,


  28. I have been a below average putter for years. This year I concentrated on removing any hand action and am now using a rocking the shoulder type stroke. I am making many more of the three footers along with quite a few longer putts. I am still inconsistent on center contact but a surprising number of heel putts have been going in the hole. Is back weighting better for certain putting strokes? Will a short quick handsy stroke benefit more than a long slow shoulder swing?

    • Larry

      the TYPE of putting stroke really does not restrict the use of a counterweight, one way or the other. The telling factor for success with a counterweight in a putter is more determined by how calm, smooth, rhythmic, controlled the stroke is. If you have times your putting stroke feels unsmooth, somewhat jerky, less than calm and rhythmic, then a counterweight might help that become more smooth and consistent. The main thing is that having a lot more weight in the hands can make the hands move more smoothly. So it doesn’t really matter the type of stroke from the standpoint of wristy or shoulders, just the tempo, smoothness, etc, if you get what I mean.


  29. Tom –

    Would you put heavier, over sized putter grips in the same category as a counter weight? My current putter grip is 115g, and while the feel is waaaay different than with a typical 65g or so grip, I’m curious as to whether or not the effect the heavier grip can have is similar to adding a counter weight.


    • BOB:

      OUTSTANDING question for sure and thanks for asking it so this can be explained.

      In a word, sort of but not quite. Yes, the oversize putter grips do weigh more than a conventional grip, but not enough more to take the place of the most successful counterweight weights, which are the 80 gram and 100 gram weights. Most of the big oversize grips weigh around 20-40 grams more than a conventional putter grip. For such a big grip to act like a successful counterweight weight, it would have to weigh 80 to 100 grams more than a conventional putter grip.

      But then it is true if you had one of these big putter grips and wanted to put in a counterweight, you would want to find out how much heavier the big grip is than a conventional one, and then subtract that amount from 80 or 100 to know what the counterweight would need to be when put into a putter that has a big, heavier grip.


    • Thanks much for the reply Tom! The OEM grip weighed 61g, and the larger grip weighs 115g. So I have added 54g with the larger grip.

      I blow on most all of my grips, and was able to do so with my O/S putter grip as well. I also happen to have a bunch of large diameter hitch pins that fit in the butt end of a shaft snugly enough to use them as test weights.

      With that in mind, I think I will cut a couple pins to weigh 25-26g and 45-46g, that will put me in the 80g-100g territory for total butt end weight with the O/S grip. Then, I can blow the grip off, add a weight, blow it back on, and hit some test putts. Then rinse and repeat with the other weight.

      I do like how my putter feels weight-wise with the larger, heavier grip. So I’m rather excited to try this!

      Thanks again,

    • Bob

      Then that sounds like you are on the right track!


    • Tom –

      I wanted to come back to say THANK YOU! I have done some testing, and ended up with a 35g weight along with the 115g grip and WOW has it made a big difference. Having all that weight in my hands has definitely smoothed out the stroke, and all around I am putting better. I am lagging long putts closer to the hole (and to a tighter group all together), and I am not blowing short putts by nearly as often.

      I was doing it bass ackwords all this time…. adding weight to the head. Counter weighting is where its at!

      Thanks again,

    • BOB

      VERY glad to hear of your success with counterweighting your putter!! Things like this do make the game more fun, don’t they??

      Best wishes to you in this great game!


  30. Tom- do your counterweights allow the clubfitter to place the weight at the desired insertion depth? ie I see some benefit from placing the weight 6 inches down the shaft so the weight is under the right hand (for a right handed golfer).


      We are aware of weights designed to be locked inside the shaft at whatever position desired. We’ve only done some very rudimentary work with different positions within the shaft so we are not even close to being able to make any conclusions about them. We do realize that putting weight in different positions inside the shaft will change the MOI of the club, increase the totalweight, and change the weight distribution feel (balance point) to the golfer. All these things can most definitely have an effect on a golfer’s sense of swing tempo, timing, rhythm and from that, either have a positive, negative or no effect on their swing consistency, repeatability, on center hit percentage.

      With counterweights in putters, it was very easy to do the research to find out what golfers could benefit or not and what weights seemed to make the most difference.

      With counterweights or internal shaft weights in full swing clubs, it’s not as easy to find a common thread for what golfers and what swing characteristics benefit or not. We know enough now about this to know two things – 1) it will take a big, and I mean BIG research study, involving a hundred or more golfers of different swing characteristics, before anyone could have enough data to be able to see what the common thread would be that would dictate who and how counterweights or internal shaft weights would work or not in full swing clubs. 2) right now it falls into a trial and error situation to give it a shot and see what it does.

      But at least we know counter weighting can be significant for a high percentage of golfers in the putter!


  31. I’m actually shocked the no manufactures have increased the sweet spot on the putter.

    Perhaps it’s not sexy and doesn’t sell?

    • JORDAN

      Perhaps there was some miscommunication that led you to believe the mfgs have not “increased the sweet spot” on putters. I certainly apologize if something I wrote gave you that impression. Without question, most definitely any of the larger mallet size or heavier putter head designs do have a much larger moment of inertia (MOI) than do any of the conventional heel/toe, smaller size, more narrow/less body depth types of putter heads. Anytime you increase the MOI of the head, you increase the size of the sweet spot, so to speak.


    • Jordan,

      Wow, I am amazed you do not know that we have been the outright leaders in doing just that. The sweet spot in all our putters are light years ahead of the industry. This video Brian Katrek (host from Sirius/XM PGA TOUR Radio) will clear up who has the ultimate in putter insert technology.

      Bobby Grace

    • Bobby:

      No one here has ever said we were the first to recognize the possible benefits of counter weighting a putter. If you were posting to get that point across about your innovativeness, I am sorry if you got the wrong impression. Believe me, we know what it feels like to not get credit for club design and fitting innovations. We’ve simply identified to the custom clubmakers what the potential benefits are and for what golfer types to guide them to look into this as yet another option for fitting the golfers who come to them for help, regardless what putter model the golfer may be using.


  32. Tom,

    Interesting product and company you have.

    I remember years ago Dave Pelz study of contact on the putter face. He tested 4 groups of golfers ranging from tour pros to 30 caps.

    Seeing the impact of even a 5 cap to a 30 cap was eye opening. I firmly believe that the majority of putting problems come from off center hits.

    It seems like your product can cure that for the average golfer.

    • Jordan:

      A counterweight in the putter is not a CURE per se, but certainly has shown that it can reduce the number of off center hits for a pretty large percentage of golfers, and in general, help smooth out and calm down the putting stroke. But you are right about the effects of off center hits – while tour players are better in every aspect of putting, where they really REALLY are better than us is in their percentage of on center, solidly hit putts. It’s literally amazing how seldom they hit a putt off center to the point that it starts to cause a poor roll with poor distance and line control. So you’re right in the sense that if regular golfers cut their off center hit putts in half, that alone would make a big difference.


Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *