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Wishon Golf’s Most Popular Driver Design in a Wide Variety of Custom Fitting Options


  • Please scroll down to read comments about the 919THI.

  • 919THI Drivers available in both conventional finish and a NEW Black Oxide finish – all designed with TWGT’s unique bendable hosel .

  • Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off center hit performance in the game.

  • All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor

  • For 2015, the 919THI is also available in a beautiful black oxide satin finish with a striking but subtle red top crown highlights for the most modern cosmetic appearance. Available in conventional finish version in RH 9*, 11*, 13*, 15.5*, and 11* Offset.  LH in 11* and 13.5*.  NEW Black Oxide version in RH in 9*, 11* and 13*.

Images & Specifications

A 360º view of the 919THI Driver Clubhead.

Tom Wishon talks about the 919THI Drivers.

Ratings and Reviews

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Rating: 4.3/5 (140 votes cast)


919THI, 4.3 out of 5 based on 140 ratings


  1. The most consistently significant finding I’ve had when custom fitting this driver head to customers has been that they hit more fairways. They keep the ball in play.

  2. La definición más apropiada es, una cabeza de driver facil y potente, hace mucha distancia pero sin coger efectos indeseados.

  3. I have been using the 919 driver since its inception. I have found this driver out performs just about any clubhead that I have fit. I am amazed when I put OEM drivers up against this head, no comparison. Not only does the head perform well, it has a nice traditional shape which pleases the eye. I also am impressed with the new improvements in design. The cup face design and improved weld surfaces of the mating surfaces. I can tell you from personal experience that I have made a horrible swing at the ball and have watched club design and forgiveness take over. Thanks Tom for a GREAT design!

  4. I have been playing the 919 with a Fujikura Blur 005 for about 2 years. Great combination for accuracy and distance. With so many lofts available, this is my “Go To” head when fitting my customers

  5. The 919 driver is the most consistent performer on our launch monitor testing. Consistently beating the likes of Taylormade, Callaway, Titleist, and Ping for total carry and total distance. The most amazing statistic though, is how accurate this driver performs. Golfers are missing out if they haven’t tried the 919 driver.
    This may be Tom’s greatest design!


    • Bob, I am thinking of doing the same as you did – mating the Aerotech with the 919 but I’m not sure about the shaft stiffness and its relation to driver swing speed. I see you used the regular shaft. What swing speed range do you recommend for this stiffness? What swing speed do you recommend for the stiff shaft?

      Thanks for your help.

  7. I am not a worker of the golf ball, but I love having people ask me if golf dosen’t get boring just hitting this 919 straight down the fairway. I just smile. Great club head.

  8. The 919 driver is the most consistant driver and most solid driver I have ever hit. I hit a lot of drivers in Demo days so I know what else is out there and there is nothing that I have ever hit that feels this solid.

  9. Hands down the best driver head on the market today! I have played one myself since it came out. 28 of my last 30 driver fittings have involved the fit and purchase of a 919. The hidden “gem” of the design is it’s forgiveness with respect to ball speed (smash factor). Most drivers, when struck properly (on center) attain a reasonable ball speed/smash factor. The 919 consistently attains a 1.49/1.50 smash factor when struck on center. When struck slightly off center, compared to other OEMS/OEDS on the market, you can count on a 1.45 to 1.47 smash factors, even when mishit! Add the “hand pick” options offered by TWGT (loft, face angle, etc), after having launch monitor data properly analyzed by a qualified club fitter that knows how to interpret the data and you have purchased a driver that will be in your bag a long, long time!

  10. I have built 100+ drivers using this head design. I have had 1 returned, (I needed to give them a 13 deg instead of the 11 deg head they wanted). Most common remark is how far and consistent they hit the ball. The forgiveness built into this design is remarkable.

  11. I have played with my 919 ever since TWGT introduced to this great driver. At age 74 I have some limitations. However, consistent driving with confidence is not included. Thanks, Tom

  12. With out a doubt the best selling and perfoming head I have ever tested. Fitting and testing this head compared to other heads including OEM’s with few exceptions the customer will select this head. Sold a 919 11* with an S2S black 65 gram shaft today, customer has an 85 mph ss and still has a high ball flight with a baby draw, He is happy!

  13. happy to report as a geezer, won our Club Match play in 2011, with a White 919THI-11.5^; .5* open head, over 37 holes. Key to the win was hitting 85% of the fairways. Still have a client playing the original light blue 919 !…Great off center hit performance……solid sound…my go to head for performance….and hittability. Did I say great off center performance ??

  14. I love the GRT design of this head. It provides very consistent ball flights. Another noticeably feature of this head is that the dispersion is lower compared to off the rack club head i.e. Taylormade or Titliest.

    Last great thing is that there are so many choices of loft to choose to match individual skill which does not provide by off the rack brands which most of the time have only 9 and 11 degree

  15. Excellent Driver. With the GRT I also find launch to be much more consistent than with OEM drivers where the loft varies significantly depending on how high on the face you hit the ball. Was previously using a TM driver with specified loft of 9.5 degrees. Of course actual loft was closer to 11 degrees at impact location. Swithed to a 919 THI in 11 degrees and find this perfect for me. Long and forgiving, very consistent. Very solid feel at impact.

  16. The performance of this clubhead usually exceeds the OEM’s and is second to none in terms of performance.

  17. Sinds de introductie van deze driver heb ik hem opgenomen in mijn collectie en met veel succes. Deze driver verkoop ik het meest en het commentaar van nagenoeg alle klanten is dat het de meest vergevingsgezinde driver is die ze ooit gehad hebben met daarnaast veel afstand. De 919 THI is, in de verschillende uitvoeringen een driver die bij elk type golfer past.

  18. Excellet driver, best I have ever hit, solid feel and I like the GRT technology. Have alway had my personal driver and customers hand picked for loft, lie and face angle and they always come in right on request.

  19. The best driver head available, period. Sounds great, looks great and nothing comes close to forgiving off-center hits more. Time and time again I hear from my customers that their drives are much more consistent and can‘t believe how long and straight their bad shots turn out. The combination of high MOI, variable thickness forged face and GRT roll really does works. Also very important is how perfect it sounds at impact. The combo of this head and custom fitting the whole club for customers and it‘s easy to have them hitting LONGER AND STRAIGHTER than with any of the big name brands.

  20. No doubt the best driver head in golf today. This head out performs all other heads in launch monitor testing in dispersion, smash factor and distance. The most solid feeling driver I have ever hit. Off center hit hits are amazing, you think you have missed the shot and the ball ends up close to the same distance as an on center hit. Every driver fitting I’ve had this year has ended in the sale of a 919thi driver. The hand picking of loft and face angle at Wishon Golf has made my launch monitor fitting the best it could be. I feel this is Tom’s best driver head design so far.

  21. Absolutely one of the best driver head on the market today! The 919 consistently attains a 1.49/1.50 smash factor when struck on center. This head should be on the Golf Digest Hot List for sure. Most common remark is how far and consistent they hit the ball, especially on off-center contact. Also many choices for loft and face angle. However, I would like to see a lower loft offered like 7.5 for the skilled, high swing speed golfer with an ascending angle of attack.

  22. I’ve used the 919 for several years. Have tried others but always come back to the 9 degree. Dr. J

  23. One of the best driver heads ever made. It may not be the best feeling/sounding or absolute longest, but it is so, so good in all aspects of performance that I still say it’s the best. Like most golfers I try new drivers all the time, but I always come back to my 11* 919 as it offers the best combination of forgiveness and distance that I’ve found.

  24. As a clubfitter, I have fit more 919THI drivers than all others combined since it was first introduced. Properly fit this driver is Long AND accurate. Everyone I fit says it is the best performing and feeling driver they have hit.

  25. The hottest face, most consistent driver head available.PERIOD. I’ve been building 919’s for years now and have not had a customer yet who did’nt make substantial gains over there existing driver. I happen to work part time at a big box store doing the club repairs and I work with a lot of off the rack equipment. We use the same launch monitor at the store that I use at my shop and the 919 gets consistently higher power transfer ratios, sometimes to the tune of 15-18 m.p.h. of ball speed over a certain white headed driver. Then add in the hand pick to optimize launch angle and I’ve had customers report back 30 -50 yard gains. UNHEARD OF!!!!!!!

    • Curious to find out what shaft works well with Seniors.Tom has two choices that I like the White and the new gold. Any other ideas?

    • Roger:
      The S2S White certainly has been a very good selection for golfers with a midway release and average amount of force in their swing transition and tempo. With the White being available in A, R or S, it then can fit such a swing type with a swing speed from anywhere from 60 up to 100mph. But if the golfer has a more smooth, passive swing tempo with a little earlier than midway release, then the shaft of choice would be the S2S Green. Thanks and hope this helps!!


  26. From a pure playing perspective, having tried many drivers, the 919 has been one of the most consistent drivers yet. Nothing but quality from all aspects.

  27. This is the best driver head period ! I have played this head in my own driver for a few years and have not found anything (including the big names) that is as far or more accurate. When I put the 919THI in a client hand’s and they look at the distance, dispersion and feel that it produces, I usually get a “WOW” response.

  28. I’ve been fitting my customers with the 919 since they were introduced and I’ve been using one personally since then. With the selection of lofts and the hand pick options, I can fit everyone. I have not played or tested a better design…off centre hits don’t feel like mishits. also, the new cosmetics have huge eye appeal.

  29. I have a 919hl about 3 yrs old and have heard a lot of good things about it can you recomend a shaft for it. have3/4 swing about 90mpr
    hdcp is 6 thank you billy

    • Bill:

      As a 6 hdcp, we assume you would have a later to very late release, so for the 90mph clubhead speed with a later release, we would recommend the S2S Black 65 R flex. If you are also very strong and if you also have a very abrupt, strong, forceful tempo along with your 90mph clubhead speed and later release, we then would recommend the S2S Black R flex in the 85 gram version. Thanks very much and best wishes in this great game!!


  30. I just got fit for a 919THI (White head, square face angle) and I simply cannot wait to get it! Tom, thanks for your assistance in recommending my fitter. I will sing your praises (and the praises of my fitter, Mike at Golf MD) until the day I die!!!

  31. Anyone know where I can get a reasonable swing speed unit?


    email; stufftome @ gmail dot com

    • JOHN:

      WE do offer what in our opinion is the best low cost clubhead speed measurement unit. It is a small portable device that captures swing speed and swing tempo using a radar pulse, which is a reliable sensor source for such measurements. Look for the GOLFER’S STORE link at the top of the home page on our website. Click and then scroll down to see the listing for TECHNOLOGY ITEMS. click on that and the third product down is the portable clubhead speed/swing tempo measurement unit.


  32. Saw the 919THI Driver head at my clubfitter in Charlotte, NC., and read some great reviews. I will have John order the club head set up as open as possible. But my problem with many drivers is that they are too upright. That’s one of the reasons why I play Titliest, the lie can be adjusted. Can the 919 lie be flattened maybe 1+ degrees? Thks.

    • JOE

      Thanks very much for your interest. Yes, we recently re designed the hosel of the 919THI driver heads to make it so it can be adjusted to offer golfers a far wider range in both the lie and face angles. We can adjust the lie as much as +/-3* flat or up from the design lie spec, so if you actually need more than 1 flat, we can do that. And we can also adjust the face angle more open. Once John determines your best fitting specs, he can order the head from us and ask us to hit the lie and FA that best fits you.

      Again thanks, and the very best wishes to you in this great game!

  33. Hello Tom I am a new golfer I have your 919thi 10.5 driver and 14 and 18 woods. Can you give me a little information regarding the “draw bias”? As to what that means and what it is intended for. Thank you

    • ERIC:

      The term “draw bias” was coined to go with the version of the 919THI driver that I intended to be a fitting option for golfers with an outside in swing path who tend to slice the ball and want that misdirection flight tendency reduced so they can keep the ball more in play. So the 919THI Draw Bias is designed with an intentional closed face angle to reduce the slice by making the face angle so it points more to the left or draw side of the hole. Thanks very much for your question and your interest and I do hope that your clubs are treating you well and allowing you to enjoy this great game a little more!


    • Hello Tom. I am just following up with my comment two years ago. I am still improving and loving my Wishon Driver and woods. I am looking to upgrade to the new 919thi driver but I don’t see a draw bias option. Is the offset driver the same as the draw bias? Any help will be appreciated.

    • ERIC

      Offset can be a bit of a slice reduction in a driver/wood head, but we tend to prefer to address slice reduction (AKA draw bias) in a driver, wood, or hybrid by bending the face angle to be more closed. That’s why we developed the bendable hosel for the 919 drivers, 929/950 fwy woods and 775/335 hybrid heads in our line.


  34. Just received my 919THI yesterday,and I am amazed at the distance, and ball
    flight. I am 68 year old and the driver is 10.5 “draw bias’ 45 inches, AeroTech
    Powercoil 50. The club builder informed me he tip it just a little to a soft
    regular. swing weight is D4. The instructor liked to ball flight. and the loft 10.5.
    Thanks Tom for a great product.

    • Marion

      The thanks go to YOU for having made the decision to work with a clubmaker to be fit into the 919THI driver. In total honesty I can say I enjoy the part of my work that allows me to design clubheads and shafts, but it really can’t compare with how good I feel when I get the chance to hear that one of my designs is really bringing more enjoyment to a golfer. Thanks SO MUCH for taking your time to comment on this and we do wish you even more enjoyment in the future in this great game!!


  35. I’ve had my 919THI driver for about five months, and with it, I have played the best golf of my life. MY FW percentage has increased by 15 full points, and I have gained about 20 yards after pairing the head with the perfect shaft. All of my golf buddies are jealous of this beautiful club, and my word of mouth praise has help sell at least 5! Great job, TOM!

    • Evan

      15% more fairways and 20 more yards is great for us to hear and we can almost see your bigger smile between the lines of your message!! Thanks so much for letting us know and for being enthusiastic enough about the driver to talk it up among your friends!!

      Best wishes to you for even more enjoyment in this great game!!!


  36. Tom, I recently read your article on gaining more distance. The part on verticle roll was interesting. Why would one not want to design a smaller driver head, say in the high 300 cc’s, with less verticle roll? Like a large FW.

    • RAY

      It is true that the smaller the face height on the woodhead, the less roll is needed to cause proper ball flight performance for higher or lower face hits. With 400-460cc size drivers which have face heights typically of 50mm and taller, our testing has shown that with such a tall face height you do have to have some roll on the face. In other wrods, with taller face heights a vertically flat face won;t perform that well for higher face hits. The reason is because higher face hits also generate an action that is called the Vertical Gear Effect which in turn causes the spin rate for higher face hits to be less. With a tall vertically flat face what happens on the higher face hit is that the lower spin needs a little higher launch angle to keep the ball in the air long enough for proper carry distance. WIth a tall vertically flat face there is not enough loft up there at the top of the face to combine with this lower spin from the Vertical Gear Effeft to keep the ball in the air long enough for proper carry distance.

      But as face height gets smaller, you definitely can make the roll less and less curved because shorter face height woods do not generate anywhere near the reduced spin from a higher face hit. Hence I have designed our fairway woods and hybrid heads with very close to no roll (close to vertically flat) for quite a few years now and they perform very well for high, center and lower face hits.

      So when you talk about a smaller driver such as a 300cc volume, there would have to be some roll on the face for proper high face hit performance. But how much depends on exactly how tall the face height is on that 300cc driver.


  37. is the919 conforming

    • Yes it is, and you can see all models of the 919THI listed on the conforming list that the USGA maintains on their website.


  38. I really like it when folks come together and share opinions.
    Great site, keep it up!

  39. Wow, never thought I could be so consistent with a driver. 275-315+ yards straight or with a beautiful draw. Unbelievable control with the 919THI. I’ve had about 10 different name brand drivers in the past 2 years from the R11 to the Nike Covert, not one compares to Wishon’s driver. Solid club. Thanks again to Tom Wishon and Rick Musselman.

  40. Can’t say enough just how nice these perform. I thought I tried just about all the current heads out there (OEM and components)but the 919 is just amazing in how nice and high it launches with very little spin. My most accurate build yet. I paired this with a Steelfiber SS75 shaft. Love the sound, feel, and performance. Am so I glad I decided to give this a try.
    I also notice that there is hardly any distance loss even when struck high and towards the toe.

  41. I’m truly enjoying the design and layout of your blog. It’s a very
    easy on the eyes which makes it much more pleasant for me to come here and
    visit more often. Did you hire out a designer
    to create your theme? Superb work!

    • Thanks very much for your comments and for your interest. We do most of our web work with a couple of guys who while consultants, are really more like being in house with us here.


  42. Hello Tom,

    I have a driver (919 THI/11) and a Fairway wood 4 (925 THL/16,5).

    What are the most efficient tee hights for both?

  43. I had one fitted a few months ago and felt i had to comment because the head is awesome. I had a 9 degree fitted to a ust x flex. Had the fitter bend it to a 10 degree cause the ball flight was too low but still long. Miss hits still went far but dispersion was tighter. Length wise: won the longest drive 285 (meters in wet conditions) contest in a tourney a few weeks ago. It is very forgiving. But i have to admit, I did fit a balanced certified stabilizer to fight off my inherent slice. The 3rd driver I ever bought in my life and by far the longest. Previous driver was an old cleveland launcher 10.5 degrees. Get fitted to a right shaft and it’ll reward you tremendously.

    • NIK

      Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the 919THI driver and the work with your clubfitter to get the driver set up properly to fit you well. 285 METERS?? Yes, I would say that as you said in the last line of your message that you are being rewarded tremendously !!! HA!

      Thanks and the very best wishes to you in this great game!!


  44. I have been looking for a few years now for a driver with an adjustable hosel. I play my irons 5* flat and am wondering if you have any driver that is capable of being adjusted to a 53-54* lie angle? I know the specs of the 919 say it could get to about a 56* lie angle.
    I’ve even considered purchasing the 929hs 2 wood and using it as my driver because it can get down to about a 53.5 degree lie. Ideally I would like to play a driver with a lie angle of about 51* but I figure that’s probably asking too much unless I wanna play an old persimmon.

    • Kourt
      Actually with the +/-4* capability of the hosel on the 919, we can get it to a 54* lie. it’s design spec is 58* so the -4 on that takes it down to 54*. And we have done that a number of times so it would not be any problem whatsoever to hit that lie.


  45. O I must have misread the spec sheet. Thanks so much thats awesome! I’ll see if I can find a clubfitter to make me one at that spec. I was wondering though. As golf clubs get longer the lie angle is supposed to progressively get flatter. It’s clear to see that with irons. But why is it that the lie angle of drivers today jump way up to 60* + for most manufacturers? My fairway woods all have flatter lie angles than the current drivers.
    Also I just want to say thank you. I haven’t been able to order any of your clubs yet because I don’t have a club fitter that carries your product anywhere close to me, but I have looked at all of your products and I think they are incredible. The adjustable hosel is absolutely brilliant. We go through custom fitting of our irons but it’s near impossible to custom fit a fairway wood/driver until you developed these products so thank you in advance!

  46. I have ordered a 919 THI 11º with a Prolaunch Red Stiff cutt to 44′! Tried a few shafts with a Clubmaker in Madrid (Spain) and turned out that this is the best configuration for me.

    The classic shape of the head is just beatifull and the forgiveness of the design is amazing, the best I have tried!

    • Thanks Luis, it really was a pleasure to correspond with you about your driver needs too !!!


  47. The best way to start is simply !WOW! I will do my best to keep it brief, but these components are fantastic. I recently went through an entire bag reconstruction. I went to Perfect Lies Golf for help and if you are within driving distance of Fred, you will not be disappointed – with the following caveat – be brutally honest about your game, be open minded to suggestions and allow the club find you. Once I did those thing and allowed Fred pair me with the 919 THI 11 degree head and the correct shaft for my swing characteristics – just WOW! I am guilty of being influenced by a major brand name. My ego dictated that I needed an extra stiff, heavy-weight shaft (80+ grams) with very little loft (8.58-9.5*) – the more the parts costs the better it was going to perform. It was the magic pill I’ve been waiting for. WRONG!!! The reality for me was a lighter shaft (62g), R-flex (4.8-5.2) and 11* TWGT 919THI head – a combination that out performs my old OEM driver significantly. I realized that placing a value on marketing over performance was mis-guided. I now hit straighter, farther (30+ yds) and with much better accuracy than ever before and it was worth every penny I spent. I don’t understand the technical side of why it works, nor do I care – it just does and it provides me the necessary confidence to pull it from my bag anytime I need it. Now I just laugh on the inside (as well as on the outside) when the rest of my foursome pulls out the latest $500 over-hyped driver and I smoke ’em with my 919THI. With that I say thank you Tom for making the quality components that you do. These components in the hands of the right fitter are magical. I can’t say it enough, but TWGT & Perfect Lies Golf in the Northeast (NY/NJ/CT/PA/MA) is a winning combination!

    Jeff M

    • I am considering going to Perfect Lies for a complete review of my set make up. I was wondering if you could give me an estimate of the costs

    • JAMES

      All of the clubmakers are independent businessmen. They are not formally tied to any supplier they may choose to purchase components and supplies from for their work. They set their own pricing for all of their services and custom fit clubs that they offer to golfers through their custom fitting process. So you need to talk to the clubfitter to find out the costs. But I can tell you that Fred Schaper at Perfect Lies is extremely good and very thorough in his work – I know him personally and we have gotten several very happy emails and calls from golfers who have worked with Fred for their fitting needs.

      Thanks very much,

  48. best driver i have ever played. I used to change out drivers every two years – looking for magic. I am on my third year with this club and have no intention of changing. Tim Mosel did a great fitting job – and I have never been more consistent with a driver. the clean look and authoritative sound at impact are just added bonuses.

    • Michael:

      I’m so pleased to hear that you worked with Tim Mosel for your driver fitting needs. Tim really is without any BS involved, one of the very best clubfitters in the whole country and we’ve happily become quite used to hearing from golfers who work with him and walk away very pleased with the fitting results. Tim is a great example of what professional clubfitting can be and what it should be all about. Thanks for taking the time to let us know!!


  49. I was fitted to the 919THI two weeks ago in three stages being able to re-use the shaft that I purchased just 3 months ago (Fujikura fuel S). Got the 11* closed model bent a little to close it even more for now. In addition cut down to 44 inches, during the process we realized this increases the swing speed (105mph). I still slice occasionally, however, now on average the ball goes further and especially straighter. I feel also more confident now off the tee having exactly the right driver, it doesn’t get better.

    • Michael
      Many thanks for taking the time to “stop in” and share your experience with the 919 driver in your fitting. It’s great to hear that the length reduction actually increased your clubhead speed. Too many golfers believe wrongly that in all cases, the longer the length, the higher will be the clubhead speed and from it an increase in distance. So many times a longer length can actually cause a golfer to unhinge his release too soon. Max clubhead speed for every golfer occurs right when the release happens. So if the longer length causes the release to happen earlier in the downswing than preferred, the clubhead reaches its max speed too soon so by the time the club gets to impact it is slowing down. Conversely for some golfers, going shorter allows them to hold that release a little later which then can result in a higher speed at impact.

      Thanks so much for observing and reporting this speed increase so we could have a chance to explain to others who may be interested in going shorter with the driver but worried about their distance should they do so.


  50. Hi Tom,

    Yes it’s exactly like that, due to the fact that I unhinge a bit early, the shorter length results in a longer drive. In addition, I believe I will hit the club more in the center because it’s just easier having a shorter shaft.

    Can you explain actually the purpose of the small metal plate with the “TW” at the lower side of the driver ? I guess it’s there to balance the weight and swing-weight overall depending on shaft ?

    And the black square plates that are framed in red at the bottom and rear side of the driver I assume are mainly for decoration or do they serve any technical purpose like channeling airflow like ‘Turbulators’ ?


    • Michael:

      There is absolutely no question from our work and from hearing from hundreds of clubmakers that the VAST majority of golfers would hit the driver more consistently and for many of them, longer, with a shift to a driver length much shorter than what the big companies set up as their standard driver lengths today. I am accused of being too critical of the big companies’ various spec changes over the years by some out there, but there is no question that this matter of going to 45-46″ drivers and such low lofts on iron sets isn’t helping the average players play to the best of their ability.

      In fielding your questions about the features on the sole of the 919THI, as a long time industry veteran in head design and in observing the marketing claims of companies for their models, I complement you on the clever “Turbulator” word you came up with!! You just proved that you have the imagination to work well within a golf company’s marketing department!!

      All kidding aside, these features you see on the sole are not anything super special. The TW logo medallion on the toe of the sole is simply a cosmetic feature to put something at the top of the sole to balance the cosmetics of the center of the sole. At one time, I tried to put a second weight bore on the sole that was going to be under that medallion so clubmakers could have a second place in addition to the hosel weight bore to add weight as needed to achieve proper weight fitting parameters for a golfer. But testing of the prototypes with the second weight bore proved that they changed the sound of impact too much to a point I did not like. So we dropped the weight bore on the sole but left the recessed oval to simply hold a cosmetic medallion.

      As far as the raised islands at the rear of the sole, they do comprise a little more weight back there to add to the MOI of the head. But this is a slight increase in MOI only and the bulk of the off center hit forgiveness of the 919 comes from the variable thickness face and not the little bit higher MOI.

      Thanks so much for your interest!!

  51. Hi Tom
    I’ve just posted a very long review of the 560MC’s and feel that I have to be fair and comment on the 919THI driver too.
    I bought this driver, also from Ronnie Barnett, at the same time as I bought the 560’s. I was never a great driver of the ball and needed to change something.
    The main difference was that we agreed upon a shorter shaft – 43.75” – and obviously the 919 head was different. I initially went for a 10 degree (stamped 9 but picked at 10).
    I really liked the driver, but sometimes found that I couldn’t launch it high enough. Fortunately, one of my playing partners plays a similar game to me but launches it higher. I sold him the driver and got Ronnie to make me an 11 deg with the other specs the same. 1 degree might seem like nothing but it definitely made all the difference.
    My driving is now a real strength. I’m 48 and have had two back surgeries, so don’t have the ideal attributes for long driving. But with the 919 I can get it out there over 230m (250 yards) and that is considering that our fairways here are always watered so offer no roll. I can’t help at laugh at the other players who spend bucket loads on the next big thing, when I know that my 919 beats theirs hands down. I can even prove it.
    A few months ago I was fortunate to be invited to a golf trip at Fancourt, South Africa’s top course. On the final hole on the last day, when the competition was over, one of my opponents hit a poor drive (I think he was playing a Titleist or Taylor Made). He and his partner had a quick discussion about shaft flex not being right or something, and his partner told the guy to try his Ping G20. So he hits an even worse drive.
    So now I step up and say “Hit this one. Trust me.” He reluctantly tees up another ball, then hits a perfect 5 yard draw right down the middle, way further than any drive I had seen him hit. Next thing he is asking for my email address and wanting to know the specs etc. I sent him the details, although I am not sure if he ever followed up. If he didn’t, then more the fool him.
    In conclusion, this driver is the best I have ever hit. Unfussy, no gimmicks (unless you count the white version ), but long and very, very forgiving. I won’t be changing my driver in a hurry. Another great job Tom.

    • FRAZER:

      WOW. What a great and an interesting comment and experience that you are so kind to share with us here! Fancourt eh? That’s a huge WOW because while I have never been down there, I am well aware of it from the past President’s Cup played there and know it is a great track. Good for you that you had the chance to go and play there. Wow. But let me say that it is really great to have the chance to hear of your experiences with the 919THI driver that Ronnie fit and built for you. Your descriptions of the performance that you (and the other guy in SA!) have had with the club are much, much more than the proverbial “music to my ears”. I am so fortunate to have been able to be a club designer for my entire career, but I am even MORE fortunate and thankful to be able to hear of the experiences that you are having with the driver. Thanks so much for taking the time to share this with us and the VERY best wishes to you in this great game!!

      TOM :>)

  52. Reading this thread I realise how lucky I am that I have a complete set of Wishon Clubs 919THI driver, 2 929 fairways, 775 hybrid and 6 765 irons.

    The only stranger is a 2 hybrid Cleveland .

    I have lost the Wishon medallion of of the 775 hybrid but that apart but am delighted with the set and can’t claim distance increase but everything now stays nearer to fairway than before.

    Thanks Tom for an excellent product and good customer service response when I had issues with driver some months ago

    Best regards


    • HARRY

      Many thanks for your support in having been fit with a set of our designs. We’re very pleased to hear that you are happy with the clubs and that you have gained more control from the fitting. On that matter of the little medallion on the hybrid, if you send us an email referencing your need for a medallion and letting us know your address, we will be happy to mail one to you for replacement. They’re easy to re install so you can get that weight bore cavity covered up like it should be.

      THanks much,

  53. I have a Driver 919 THI 15°5 and I find 9 ou of 10 fairways with a total average distance of 177 yards. My swing speed is around 78 mph and my angle of attack is around +2°. I am very confident and pleased with it.
    Could I get extra distance, for example +15 yards, in summer, with a 13° or less ?

      Thanks for letting us know that you are pleased with the performance of the 919 with the 15.5* higher launch loft. That’s great to hear. IT is true that when fairway conditions become more firm, dry and conducive to more roll, going with less loft such as the 13* can offer a little more total overall distance by giving up some carry distance to lower the angle of descent of the ball to the fairway and bring about more roll after landing.


  54. I purchased the 919 THI 3 years ago and i am pleased with how accurate it is, I hit on average 10 out of 14 fairways at my club where the majority are quiet narrow, I decided to dig out my old driver a ping G 10 and try it at the driving range perhaps get more distance, however nearly all my shots were slicing so put it down and got out the 919 all shots were straight down the middle. Ditched the ping and have now arranged a fitting for a new 919 old one a bit scratched and showing signs of wear

    • VINCE

      Thanks so much for taking the time to let us know how the older 919THI has been “behaving” for you! And nice also to hear that it “beat off the competition” to stay in your bag! When you go get fit for the new 919THI, just be sure to urge the clubfitter to do his best on fitting you with the correct face angle, loft and length especially to go with your best fitting needs for the other specs too.

      Thanks much!!

  55. Tom – The combination of your great design and a great clubfitter (Blair Golfworks in Simpsonville, SC) resulted in a driver that is so long and forgiving that it almost feels like cheating.

    • Steve:

      That’s really GREAT to hear that you are pleased with the new driver!!! And a big reason for that is because Patrick is a very good clubfitter who really does know what he is doing. Thanks for taking the time to let us all know about your experience and may you continue to enjoy the new driver for a very long time into the future !!!


  56. I absolutely love how solid this driver is! I’m hitting it much straighter and slightly longer that any driver I’ve ever hit. Thanks Tom! One question on tee height though, I’ve read a lot about the sweet spot being located in different places depending on the brand of driver. I’ve yet to determine the best tee height for this driver, could you help me with this?

    • DAN

      Thanks very much for taking the time to visit and to share your experience with the new driver. We’re very pleased to hear that it’s performing well for you and helping you to enjoy this great game a little more! As with the vast majority of titanium driver head models today, the actual Center of Gravity point on the face is @ 1/4″ directly above the very geometric center of the face. Driver CG’s are never dead center in the middle of the face because the traditional shape and size of driver heads is such that there is always a little more mass on the top half of the head than on the lower half of the head. Hence the CG is pulled slightly more vertical than the center of the face. As such teeing the ball up so no more than half of the ball’s diameter sits above the top edge of the face tends to be about right – but then too, it can be a little different for each golfer depending on how close they swing the sole of the head to the ground during the swing. At any rate if you make contact at this point 1/4″ directly above the center of the face, that is going to be the area for highest ball speed.

      Thanks again,

  57. I would personally love to put a 919 in play, but I am not comfortable going to a 9* loft. I currently play a measured 7* head and still have to be conscious of not launching it too high. My AOA is +2.7*, club head speed is maxed out at 126 with a 45″ shaft, so a low loft club seems to line up well for me. I don’t honestly practice enough any more to rework my game, I would just like to enjoy it. Are there any of these heads that are available in lower lofts, even if they would be considered 2nds due to the fact that they are beyond tolerances? If I could get my hands on anything in the low 7* range, I would be happy to put it in play.

    • Darrin

      We can search through all the inventory of the 919-9 heads and find one that is at 8* loft, I am sure of that. Every single clubhead production factory on the planet manufactures heads for its industry customers with a tolerance of +/-1* for all specs. By hunting long enough in the inventory and doing measurements we would eventually be able to find one at 8*. But I am also sure from having done this through our Hand Select custom program that we won’t find anything lower than an 8* loft. I’ve just never seen anything outside that tolerance from our current factory vendor that makes the 919’s for us.


  58. Thank you Tom! I love the look of the new black 919, I will be ordering one this spring. I should be able to work with an 8*, especially early in the season when my swing isn’t up to full speed. I would love to have one in the bag.

    • Thanks Darrin! They’re due to arrive here next week and I am pretty sure the inventory is enough that I can do a hand select to find one with an 8* loft. They will all have the bendable hosel so if there is a specific lie and or face angle spec needed to go with the 8* loft, that’s eligible to be done.


  59. Hey Tom, I have been a long time member, but have not purchased anything lately. I am intrigued with the 919THI all Black, and would like to purchase one. I was wondering what shaft you might recommend, given that my latest flightscope numbers are approximately 240 yards of carry, with an average swingspeed of 103, with an average spin rate of 3041. My average AOA into the ball is 6.5, and my vertical launch is 11.5 average. These were just done today btw. I am currently hitting a TM SLDR, with 9.5 degrees of loft, with it in the “lower” setting. I am thinking I might want to “loft up” a bit, and would like to hear your input on that as well. Thanks, and it’s great to be back. Best, Brian

    • Brian
      can you help me out with a little more info about your swing so I can do a better job in the shaft recommendation? Would you characterize your transition move to start the downswing as being smooth, very gradual acceleration, forceful/aggressive as if you really start to pour on the coals from the top, or in between? for your overall tempo are you smooth and rhythmic, faster/quicker/aggressive or in between? And for your release, do you unhinge the wrist cock angle early, midway, later or very late in the downswing? And do you have any specific shaft feel preferences that you have acquired over the years such as you prefer a firmer feel or more of a kicking feel or what?

      I’m sorry but it is really tough to know exactly what the loft is on this SLDR when you address the ball to result in an 11.5 launch angle with a 6.5 angle of attack. Are you totally SURE that the angle of attack is really as much as 6.5* upward? Because that is VERY dramatically upward for an A of A and I bet in all my years of fitting research I have never actually seen a golfer with that much of an upswing on the ball with the driver. for the SLDR, when you address the ball are you holding the face as square to the target line as you can or are you soling the driver, letting it rest and sit on its sole in the address position? This is a critical thing to know when trying to assess adjustable hosel drivers to try to ascertain just what the loft really is at address.


  60. Tom,
    Wow…I thought I had some good info for ya! I guess not! As far as your answers…I would characterize my swing as a smooth, gradual increase to impact. I would say my wrist cock unhinged “later”…. I hope! I don’t have a specific taste in shafts… Sorry that I am not much help. If you want more light reading I would be happy to email my latest PDF to you… The 6.5 might have been slightly manipulated, as I was trying to increase my vertical launch… Sorry… Feel like I am confusing the issue rather than helping…

    Thanks, Bri

    • Brian
      Enough years of studying the relationship of the swing to the bending of the shaft and you learn that clubhead speed is only one small part of what you need to know to identify possible shafts that could perform and feel decent for a golfer. And no, when we do fitting in person or teach clubfitters, there is even more detail that can go into the analysis, so do not feel that you are confusing the issue. The clubhead speed only gives you a basic idea of the force on the shaft. The transition and tempo tell you more about how much bending action the golfer is putting on the shaft, while the release point dictates what is happening to the tip section of the shaft. from this, my recommendation among our shafts would be the S2S Black 65 S flex with perhaps 1/2″ tip trim in the driver. The +1/2″ tip is because you are 103 but not with a super strong transition move, and the Black’s firm tip section should match to your later release.

  61. Tom,
    Man it’s great to back here! Thanks for your time. One last question if I might…would you recommend lofting up to say 11*? Or sticking in the 9.5* or 10*? Thanks once again for your input. Bri

  62. Tom,
    A couple more quick questions, and then I will leave you alone. First, looking at the S2S Black Shafts… is see 85 gram, but not 65 gram… am I just missing it? Also, how do you feel about my lofting up from the 9* t0 an 11*? Do you feel this is a good move? Obviously, I am trying to get more carry out of my tee shots… Thanks again. Brian

    • BRIAN
      The S2S Black for woods are most definitely available in the 65g version in both the R and S flexes. it is only the X flex version that is available only in the 85g. As to the loft matter, because this situation with the adj hosel device means it is very difficult to know precisely what loft is on the head in the address position, let’s take a different tack on this. According to Trackman’s research which is very sound. the optimum launch angle for maximum CARRY distance for a 102mph speed with a +5* angle of attack will be 15*. For 102mph with a +2.5* angle of attack it would be 13.5*. The optimum launch angle for maximum TOTAL distance (combination of a little lower carry to get a little more roll), for a 102mph speed with a +5* angle of attack will be 12.5*. For 102mph with a +2.5* angle of attack it would be 11.25*.

      So with this info, you could get on a good launch monitor, mess with the settings on the adj hosel device, hit shots and see what setting with your address position would result in what launch angle. That would get the job done.


  63. Tom,
    Once again, thanks for your time, patience and willingness to help.



  64. Tom,

    I had the pleasure of finding your web page and thought about your approach with golf clubs. I decided to get fitted and buy a new club; I found a person that your web page recommended here in Oregon. The person that I dealt with was Dan Armstrong, Dan did an excellent job working with me and helped me find the right driver – the 919THI – it is a wonderful club, I also purchased a 7 wood.

    I just wanted to let you know that I will be working with Dan a little at a time to complete a new set of clubs and that Dan was the best to work with – I couldn’t be happier.

    • Thanks so much for taking your time to let us know how well your fitting experience went with Dan. Dan is very good, we’ve known him for some time in the custom clubfitting business and we know him to be a true professional in the field with a whole lot of happy golfers who have chosen to work with him for their fitting needs. It’s great you found him and chose to work with him because clubmakers like Dan far outpace what any of the people selling clubs in big box stores or pro shops can do for golfers to help them enjoy the game more.

      Best wishes to you in this great game!

  65. Tom, I have been using your 919 driver for some time now and at first was using a Harrison Mugen Black shaft that worked very well. Recently I changed to your shafts, going through White, Red and Black, settling on Black. I have sold some drivers to my friends based on them observing the performance of my driver. Recently, I won a Ping G30 LS-Tech 9 degree driver in a tournament and, frankly, I hit the Ping far by where the 919 was. I am 70, a 7 handicap (although I shoot 74-76 often) with a 95 mph swing speed and a hard swing. Is Ping’s new technology that much better, or ???? Thanks, Kenny

    • Kenny

      No, not at all. When it comes to distance with a driver for on center hits, there are only TWO THINGS that determine that for any golfer. One, the COR of the face of the driver. TWO, which is by far the most significant, how well the loft, length, shaft, total weight, swingweight, grip size is fit to the golfer’s clubhead speed, angle of attack and swing characteristics to achieve his best launch angle and on center hit performance. Period, that is it.

      There is nothing in a driver head design other than the COR of the face that will bring about maximum distance for on center hits. Anyohe who tells you otherwise truly does not know the technology of head design. And every company has been at the limit of the USGA’s rule for the COR/CT of the face of a clubhead for several years now. Yes, it is possible due to +/- tolerances in the face thickness of the head through production for one head to have a slightly higher COR than another. But we control that better on our 919 production than any other company I believe because we do pay our factory more per head to perform more face thickness checks through production to ensure our +/- tolerance for face thickness is smaller than what all the other factories offer to their golf company customers.

      Which leaves the other factor, the one that is more important – how well all the specs on the driver that determine how well the club is FIT to the golfer are identified to be absolutely right for the golfer and his swing characteristics. Whenever a golfer picks up any club and hits it better in some ways than one he presently has, 99.99% of the time the reason is because the overall fitting specs of that other club are better matched and fit to the golfer and his swing characteristics. Might be the loft is better fit, might be the length, might be the shaft is a better fit, might be the total weight and/or swing weight, and might even be related to the grip size being a better fit too.

      But there is no magic left in head design with regard to distance for on center hits. All the good companies, us included, are at the limit of what we can do with head design technology to increase distance for on center hits. We certainly can identify elements to make the OFF center hits better, but for on center hits, we are all at the absolute limit because of the limit on face COR in the rules. Which means what I said – something in that Ping driver does fit you better than the full complement of fitting specs in the 919 to explain why you hit that driver longer.

      Besides, if you happened to scan through the hundreds of comments about the 919 that some have chosen to post, you’ll find many, many comments saying that the golfer hit the 919 longer, better than the OEM driver they used to play. And when I read or hear these, I know for sure it was because the FIT of the 919 was somehow done better for the golfer than what he had previously.

      One last thing to prove this to you. Take that Ping driver and take the 919 and find a place that has a good launch monitor such as a TrackMan, FlightScope, GC2. Hit shots with both drivers and for those shots you know you hit on center, look at the smash factor out put for the shot. Smash factor being the ball speed divided by the clubhead speed. I am willing to bet that you will see the smash factor of the 919 either be the same as for the Ping or a little higher. Maximum possible smash factor anyone can achieve with a driver for an on center hit is 1.49-1.50. If the smash factor is lower for the on center hit, that means the COR is lower than the maximum allowed 0.830. If the smash factor is higher, 99% of the time it means the launch monitor made a mistake in reading either the head speed or ball speed. 1% of the time it means you have a driver with a COR higher than allowed in the rules.

      If you see the smash factor of the Ping to be the same as the 919, that right there tells you for sure that the reason you hit the Ping longer is because something in the fitting specs of the Ping does fit you and your swing better than those specs in the 919.

      Hope this helps,

  66. Thanks, Tom. I am a big fan of your knowledge and equipment. I will figure it out.

  67. Tom,

    I am having a 919thi High Launch built for me with an S2S Black 85 at 3 wood length, as the course I play has a lot of dog legs and narrow fairways. So distance over accuracy. My question is, as the head has a 1 degree hook bias, how do I line up to the target? Do I just let the driver head sit on the ground and go to it’s natural weighted position or do I line up the face perpendicular to my intended target.

    Thanks in advance,


    • RUSS

      In all cases of using a closed face angle driver or wood head, the head is to be soled to rest on its sole in the address position behind the ball so that the closed face will point slightly to the left of the target line as it is designed. Do not rotate the face to make the face appear square to the target line in the address position.

      Hope this helps, and we hope the driver performs as you wish !

  68. It took me quite a long time to get into the grove with this driver, I also have a Big Bertha Alpha. The face on the BB Alpha feels better than the 919 but the shaft does not , it is too light for me. The 919 is hitting so many fairways that the Alpha cannot get back into my bag. I do love the ability to adjust the loft of the Alpha but I think Tom’s argument is that the Alhpa is not a strong club.

    Tom did a custom fit for me across the internet and he did a very nice job. Still need to check the loft on the 919 when I it back to Ireland this summer (Im in Africa no club fitters here). But Toms clubs have bettered my Mizuno irons, Callaway woods, Taylor made SLDR hybrid and Cleveland Wedges!!! Fine work.

  69. Hi Tom,

    The secret is finally out!


    You’ve been telling the world for years and now they are catching on to the truth.
    I am 6’2″ and play a 43″ driver along with a 41″ 919 F/D and suffer no reduction in distance and improved control.
    Your comments regarding “if you want to hit it longer hit it closer to the sweet spot” are so true.
    Unfortunately the more people that try this the less advantage the enlightened have over the un-enlightened

    • PETER

      I did have to laugh at your final comment !! That’s pretty good! At any rate, it is nice to see more publicity about this very important part of fitting technology that we have been talking about and preaching for 15 yrs now and which many clubmakers have been pursuing in their work for golfers for a very long time as well !!


  70. hi tom i placed my first order on monday, received products on tuesday, assembled driver on wednesday, played on thursday with no time to warm up and hit 12 of 14 fairways (for the first time hitting it where i aimed it) . I will promote the 919 driver for the quality product that it is. i will have feedback on the left handed version in one weeks time. thank you for providing quality clubheads and quality service.

    • DAVE:

      Thanks so much for taking the time to come to our site and to share your experiences with your first work with our designs. We’re really glad that the 919 is doing its thing for you and that you are pleased with the results !! Thanks so much for your support and the very best to you in this great game and in this great craft of custom clubmaking !!


  71. HI Tom I don’t know if you remember me I ask you a few years back if your drivers were as good as OEM drivers. And you said yes with a 2 page letter why. Well Iam here to tell you are right while on vacation is Sebring Fla. ran across the THE GOLF SHOPPE and met David Thompson . I told him I was in search for a new driver again. He put me on the flight scope and the fun began. I took my 5 OEM drivers taylor made,callaway,adams,cleveland,cobra plus 4 more drivers David had a his shop. ALL against the 919thi driver we turn the screen off the monitor and started hitting balls after this great test, the 919thi driver beat everything hands down. So just to let you know Tom I have a new 919thi driver coming with 10 degree loft and .5 closed . THANK YOU DAN

    • Thanks so much Dan for coming to our site and sharing your experience with us. As you can imagine that is music to our ears to get to hear that once again the 919 wins out in a head to head competition against the OEMs. We’re so pleased this worked out for you and we wish you the very best in this great game!

      Thanks for the support !

  72. I am an 83 year old duffer that needs 10-15 more yards on my drives. I play a 58 par 3, it has 6 165 yds. Holes. My drives are generally 140-150 . I use good clubs (R15 & Cleavland Black CG ) My swing speed is 70-75.
    Today Christmas Day I have spent considerable time learning about your 919 driver. There is a fitter near by (southy). I will contac him next week and enquirer about fitting me with your driver. I want as light overall weight as possibility. My CG has a 39grm shaft, it would be nice to stay in that range.
    What I learned today is that a shorter shaft may be better than longer.
    If you have any advice to offer, please do.
    Happy New Year
    Bob Hugges
    Sarasota Fl


    • BOB:
      Thanks very much for your interest in our company and our designs. We appreciate that very much. It is a definite fact that distance is far, far more a product of clubhead speed than from the design of the head itself. And it is a fact of life that as we age, we do lose clubhead speed no matter what. I am 65 now myself and in the past two years I have seen my own driver speed drop by 6 mph, even though I work out and stay in shape as much as I can. And for each 1mph we lose in our clubhead speed we lose 3 yards of driver distance. But you are right to focus on a very light shaft weight to maximize your ability to hit the driver and I can assure you that the mfg controls we have on the 919THI driver heads ensures that the COR of the heads do end up being on average as close to the USGA limit in the rules as is humanly possible.

      Whether a shorter length can result in more distance depends on one thing – whether the golfer is hitting the ball off center much of the time with his longer length driver. Missing the center of the face loses a good bit of distance so if you have been hitting the majority of your drives off center with your current driver, it is possible that being fit into a shorter length driver will improve on center hit frequency and from that offer a little more distance overall on average. A HUGE one in driver fitting is to use more loft on the driver as our clubhead speed drops. Based on what you say about your 70-75 mph speed, you should be using a driver loft of not less than 14* and likely in the area of 15-16* to maximize your launch angle into the most distance for your speed.

      But working with Mr Southy in your fitting should tell you a lot about what is possible for you in terms of fitting vs distance. Thanks again for your interest for sure, and the very best to you in this great game !

  73. Hi Tom, I have been playing your clubs for the last 4 years. full bag, irons, hybrids and driver. play the 919 driver. i am just wondering if the technology ever changes on the head that makes it worth changing out – or is it more seeing if age might change the shaft, etc…when i was fit by tim mosel in 2012 — we went with an 11 degree closed and an r flex – can’t remember exact shaft. swing speed was 93 at the time – shaft length 44..

    in that continuing quest for improvement — wonder if it is worth a look. does the tech change or is it more that my own specs might have changed…

    thanks for any advice. Mike Whitt

    • Thanks very much Mike for your interest and your support ! We appreciate that very much.

      if anyone wants proof of my level of honesty in talking about golf equipment and specifically my designs, they should read this response I will offer to you to answer your question! HA! Plain and simple, no, there won’t be a better driver clubhead design than the 919 – between the variable thickness face it has with the face thickness tolerance monitoring we have done on the head to ensure the avg production COR is as high as it can be under the limit, it’s just not possible for anyone to make a driver head ever again that could be better for COR or off center hit forgiveness.

      Now in terms of the FIT, since you worked with Tim, you had to end up with the best fit possible because Tim is without question one of the best on the planet in clubfitting analysis. Since shafts do NOT wear out with age as long as they are not cracked or otherwise physically damaged, that brings it down to you and your swing characteristics. On that, as long as your clubhead speed is within 5mph of being what it was when you were fit, and as long as you have not had major changes in your swing path, angle of attack, swing tempo/transition force, or point of release, Tim’s fit for you 4 yrs ago should be as good today as it was then.

      But at the same time, I realize as one of the world’s consummate nuts about equipment that those of us like that can get “itchy” as time goes on about our sticks ! Heck, even I like to switch out things here and there. but when I do I know that from the head’s standpoint, as long as I stay within like for like on the face design and MOI, I’m not going to get any better performance than what I had. Different look, different feel sometimes, maybe a little different shot shape, different mental approach – sure, these things can come with a change in equipment even tho the overall major aspects of the performance won’t really change.

      Having been deeply involved in head design technology for 30 yrs now, and having had the chance from working in this side of the industry to have designed in every possible, conceivable form of production with every possible area of head materials, I know without a doubt that better performance in terms of ball speed, off center forgiveness is not possible in any future head designs for several reasons. One, the USGA Rules now handcuff us from going farther in COR/CT and ball speed. Two, the past 20 yrs of a new design every 6 to 12 months has used up all the head design technologies that could possibly improve these areas of ball speed or off center hit performance.

      And beyond those performance aspects, there is nothing more a clubhead can offer other than a difference in feel or shot shape. Beyond that, it is the FIT – how well the club’s specs match the golfer’s unique combination of size, strength, athletic ability and swing characteristics. At the same time, never wanting to unleash a downpour on the parade, I too like to mess around with different designs as I create them and go into testing with them and sometimes one of them stays in my bag just because I like it for whatever other reasons compared to what it replaced.

      Hope this helps, sorry for the rambling, and the very best to you in this great game,

  74. Thanks Tom. Appreciate the thorough response. Don’t have any real reason to change, but my regular 4 ball partners are always changing something out – so you wonder. I used to be the same way, but no real desire since i had these built. i guess i can thank you for saving me a grand every year on new clubs!

    • MIKE
      I hear you when you talk about golfers who get the itch to keep buying something new. It’s not that different of a motivation when I start thinking of designing something new !!

      TOM :>)

  75. Is the 919thi driver that weight 202g able to custom made for lady with a lighter shaft? For a person who drive about 180 yards that looking for more forgiveness off centre hit.


      Yes for sure. Actually it is a really interesting thing about head design and fitting for women vs men golfers. To get the much lighter swingweight that most average women golfers prefer at women’s lengths, and with the typically lighter weight shafts for women, the weight of the heads actually has to be heavier, not lighter ! here’s an example – if you have a ladies 43″ length with a 55g shaft and 46g grip, to get to a C6 swingweight the head weight has to be 208g. For a men’s 44″ length with a 65g shaft and 50g grip, to get to a D1 swingweight the headweight has to be 206 g. so the 202g headweight of the 919THI driver works fine for both men or women.


  76. Hi Tom, from Valencia -Spain-, 6 years playing golf, hcp4, 50years ……
    always with big problems and desperate with the drive, i´ve tried all kinds of it and have bought too many of the typical trademarks…. undoubtedly the greatest discovery was your 919, the best drive I’ve ever played; more distance, very straight, is hard to miss fairway, absolutely incredible. He has given me all the confidence I needed with this club. Fitted by Mic Rod with an Accra fx100 series shaft (fx160-M2).
    All my respects and gratitude for you and a great !!THANK YOU¡¡.

    Luis Semper

  77. Hi Tom,

    What do you think about the new Taylor Made M1 driver?

    They claim the graphite composite crown allows them to position weight differently and makes the club more aerodynamic (higher clubhead speed) and that the movable weight technology forward dials in the launch and spin characteristics better for the player.

    What are your thoughts on this and do you feel the Wishon 919 THI will still outperform it?

    • BRIAN

      This is just a re visit to driver head design construction that first showed up in the industry in 2004, married to a sliding weight technology that Mizuno first invented in the mid 2000s. It’s not new. It just combines two older technologies together on the same head. The claims for aerodynamic shapes on metal wood heads these days from every company that offers one are overblown and embellished greatly with borderline false marketing claims. They profess to show that when the face is toward the target there is less drag on the head so it can move faster through the air.

      Two problems with that claim – first, a clubhead never gets to this position of face pointing straight forward until the last hundredths of a second before impact with the ball. All during the downswing the head is rotating around and not traveling through the air with the face pointing directly at the air flow. As the head is accelerating to its maximum speed, it is actually the rounded heel of the head that is pushing through the air, not the flatter broad face. This is a very curved surface that has very little drag. So by the time the face is rotated all the way around to be facing the air flow, this is so, so short of a period of time before the face hits the ball that the face cannot create drag to slow the head down.

      Second, even if golfers swung the driver so the face was pushing against the flow of air for the whole swing, the size of the face is not even close to being large enough to create enough drag to affect clubhead speed. If you are talking about a semi truck trailer driving through a windstorm, yes, the drag on that is very high and will affect speed because you are talking about a huge surface area all being presented to the air flow constantly over a long period of time. Not that way with a driver head with a face that is roughly 2″ by 3″ in dimension.

      There are times I wish our country had strict false/misleading advertising laws as they do in other countries. This matter of the claims about aerodynamic shape vs clubhead speed would be one that could be challenged because it just does not do what these companies infer it does for speed enhancement of the club.

      The proof of the 919THi being as good as it is compared to ANY other driver is to hit the club on any higher quality launch monitor that can measure the smash factor (ball speed divided by clubhead speed). Hit the 919 on center and note the smash factor. then hit any other driver on center and note its smash factor. I will bet you 19 times out of 20, the 919 will show a higher smash factor than any other driver for the same on center hit impact position. Smash factor is a valid measurement of the COR of the head, and a valid measurement for distance potential of a head. With a conforming head, the smash factor as measured by an ACCURATE launch monitor cannot be higher than 1.50. With the 919 because of our design and because of our production QC efforts, over the production of all 919 heads, you will see the smash factor range between 1,47 to 1.50. With all other drivers you will see that be between 1.39 and 1.45 because in mass production they can’t control the COR as well as we can for our smaller production.

      Then when you add on the bendable hosel of our 919 in its different loft model versions, you can also offer a golfer any loft from 8 to 16, with any face angle from 4 open to 4 closed with any lie angle from 4 up to 4 flat – ALL THREE SPECS existing on the same head. NO other driver can even come close to that. None.

      Marketing is very strong and powerful in its effect on golfers. Slam the same message to a golfer over and over in a slick format and they will believe it. But there is no question, NOT EVEN CLOSE, that the 919 is the best driver overall in the world.

  78. Hi Tom, was hoping to get your input on a 919 driver that I recently got fitted for. He took a 9 degree and bent it up to 10 degrees to get me the proper launch angles, the provided reason being that starting with the 9 degree driver head would reduce side spin. This runs contrary to my understanding that higher lofts provide more backspin and less side spin, relative to their lower lofted counterparts. (Note: I am unfortunately experiencing some nasty slices now) Would it have been more proper to start at a higher loft (e.g., 11 or 13 degrees) and bend down instead?
    Appreciate any thoughts you may have. Thanks! -Allen

    • ALLEN

      Sorry for the confusion. Rarely do all the clubmakers know all the technical facts and truths about club performance because there is so much bad information circulating out there on line, much of which comes from a marketing taint, and some from people who like to talk and don’t know what they are talking about. First off, there is no such thing as side spin on a shot. Backspin can only exist in one axis of rotation. When a golfer makes a mistake in his swing path + face angle delivery in a shot, the backspin rotation axis is tilted, which is what causes the slice or hook. in a perfectly straight shot, the backspin axis is purely horizontal so the spin direction is straight up and down, not tilted. In addition, this whole matter of thinking that a higher or lower loft can change sidespin to a point of offering more control or less misdirection on a shot is ludicrous. What causes a slice or hook has nothing to do with what loft is on the head – it’s caused by the swing path and face angle being varying degrees away from square. The difference in misdirection between 1 or even 2 degrees of loft on a driver is insignificant and it takes the real importance of loft away from where it needs to be in a fitting – loft has to be fit first and foremost to the golfer’s clubhead speed + their angle of attack so as to achieve their best launch angle for their best combination of carry + angle of descent to encourage decent roll after landing for the most total distance. If the golfer has a misdirection problem with the driver, the fitting solution to that is a different face angle to offset how much they deliver the face open or closed, to then reduce the hook or slice tendency enough to keep the ball more in play.

      Plus one other thing while I am at it. You do NOT bend for loft change in a driver or fairway wood, at least not in my way of designing clubs. You can do this in an iron ONLY because all golfers are taught to hold the face of an iron always square to the target line when they set up for an iron shot. I come from the design school in which drivers, woods and hybrids with their much wider soles are always to be SOLED ON THE GROUND in the address position. Doing that allows FACE ANGLE to exist as a specification on the driver/wood/hybrid as a means to reduce a misdirection tendency. if you bend the hosel of a driver/wood/hybrid to change loft, the ONLY way you can get that loft change is if you always, always HOLD THE CLUB WITH THE FACE SQUARE which means you cannot sole the clubhead to rest on its sole on the ground. if the golfer is comfortable with hovering the wood head a little off the ground to always hold it square to the ball, then fine, you can bend a hosel of a wood to change loft. But in doing this, you eliminate face angle as ever being a fitting element to reduce a misdirection tendency. So for us, when we deliver the 919 driver to a clubmaker with a different loft, we do that by hand select measuring the loft in the correct SOLED position in our gauges. Doing that also allows us to set the face angle and the lie angle to whatever the golfer needs in his fitting, so that all three specs of loft + face angle + lie angle can exist each on its own on the same head. Hope this helps,


  79. After hitting a Par 4 hole in one this past year I have been getting clubs from other companies to try. After cracking the face on 3 other drivers that I care not to name the company caused me to loose confidence in those products. Robin East of Lexington Park, Maryland introduced me to the new Wishon 919 Driver. I was averaging about 295 on my drives but now I am 318 or better and the ball flight is fantastic. I am now researching the irons after hitting the ones Mr. East let me hit. The attention to detail and craftsmanship is greatly appreciated. Thanks

  80. Hi Tom,

    Just to say what a great driver. I got fitted by André le Thaon from GolfnSwing. To make a long story short I was soooooo desperate to cure my Slice (20-30 yards right). The first two shots with my new driver were dead straight same day I took 1 lesson +2 weeks training and my slice was gone and did not come back. I am more and more on the fairway and the balls are always flying straight. Keep going.

    • Thank you Michael for sharing your fitting experience with us!!! Absolutely for sure the best thing you did was to find Andre and to decide to let him take care of your fitting needs !! He is without question one of the very best and most knowledgeable clubfitters in the whole world, and I am not exaggerating when I say that. Thank you and keep having fun playing this great game !!


    • Thanks Tom.
      I do ground my driver at address. So is a concern.
      How much impact would loft make if I get them to leave it at 11*?
      That is a 1.5* change from where I am now.

    • DUNCAN

      For each 1* loft is increased, for the same point of impact the launch angle increases by 0.8*. So for a 1.5* loft change that would equate to a difference of about 1.2* .


  81. Tom,
    I have ordered an 11* driver in LH.
    The club fitter mentioned that they would bend the loft to 10*

    I see in an earlier post you say “You do NOT bend for loft change in a driver” – are you suggesting that the fitter should not bend it for me?

    My current driver is a very old Srixon with 9.5*.
    I’m currently all over the place with it.
    Previous fitter thought 11* too much loft for me. As i’ve got older my swing speed has dropped – probably around 95 now.

    Appreciate your thoughts…

    • DUNCAN
      The ONLY way a bend of the hosel can result in a change in loft is if the golfer NEVER SOLES THE DRIVER AFTER THE BEND and he always trains himself to hover the driver a little off the ground, holding it so the face is always dead square behind the ball. Always turning the club after a bend to hold the club at a 0 face angle will allow a bend of the hosel in a direction perpendicular to the face to change loft. At TWGT we always believe in soling the driver and woods in the address position so that the head can demonstrate its loft AND its face angle. If the golfer never really has a directional problem and if the golfer is comfortable turning the face square and holding the club that way, hovering it off the ground, then fine – you can do that to make the face angle bend turn into a loft bend.

      But if the golfer does need a custom face angle to reduce a draw/hook/fade/slice, then the head has to be soled in the address position so the face angle can show up and be a viable fitting spec to help the golfer.


  82. Tom,

    I am 48 yrs old and have played this incredible sport for 42 yrs carrying a 3.5 index, while working in the industry for over 20 yrs now.
    I am quite the tinkerer when it comes to my golf equipment and have played or tried everything out there from the OEM’s for a LONG time. I’m happy to say that I have finally found everything I’ve been looking for in golf equipment from one company…Wishon Golf! The quality, craftsmanship and technical knowhow is second to none.
    I’ve been blessed to work with fitter Ken Collins from Manchester NH. He’s helped me gain much more insight to club design than I could have imagined and is building me a Wishon 919Thi 9* driver as we speak. I put the 919 up against eveything I own and kinda knew what would transpire from the fitting but didn’t expect it to be so conclusive. Eveything from smash factor, carry, spin rate and dispersion was so much better with the 919 it was crazy. I had Ken build me a 949MC 16.5* fairway wood over a yr ago and find it to be an incredibly dependable “go-to” club. Last summer I was also hitting the 560mc irons and was amazed that with the right shaft, they were just as long as my current set of irons with jacked up lofts even though the 560’s have more traditional loft settings. I’ll probably be having Ken build a set of the 560’s for me but would like to hit the new 565’s first.
    I’d like to see the folks possibly reading this comment start to look into Wishon Golf and stop believing the mktg hype from the OEM’s on longer distances with new technologies discovered (remember these companies have to keep turning over a profit for shareholders year in and year out) having one believe their equipment will be their answer. It’s vital to find a very good fitter and get fitted for all your golf club needs.
    Now I have to to go because I have to sell a set of Mizuno MP 25’s, a Ping G30 LS Tech driver with a AD di 6S shaft, and a TM M1 430 driver.
    Tom, keep up the incredible work with Wishon Golf!


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