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Wishon Golf’s Most Popular Driver Design in a Wide Variety of Custom Fitting Options


    • 919THI Drivers available in both conventional finish and a Black Oxide finish – all designed with TWGT’s unique bendable hosel

    • Variable Thickness Face with High MOI delivers the best off center hit performance in the game

    • All 919THI drivers undergo 6 separate face thickness QC checks during production to ensure the highest conforming smash factor

    • The 919THI is also available in a beautiful black oxide satin finish with a striking but subtle red top crown highlights for the most modern cosmetic appearance

    • Available in conventional finish version in RH 9°, 11°, 13° and 15.5°.  LH in 11°. Black Oxide version in RH in 9°, 11° and 13°

Images & Specifications

A 360º view of the 919THI Driver Clubhead.

Tom Wishon talks about the 919THI Drivers.

Ratings and Reviews

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919THI, 3.9 out of 5 based on 260 ratings


  1. Tom, My old 919THI is going great for me but I have noticed that if I shorten up on the grip I seems to get better centered hits. The shaft is 45″ which I am sure is to long for me but that is how it was built. I also have a 44″ brand X driver that is 44″ & I seem to hit it in the middle. Do yo recommend I have my 919 shortened or just keep gripping down?
    Also have a 919 FD at 43.5″ that I hit about 5 yards shorter.


    • LOUIS

      BINGO !!! You have just discovered for yourself why a shorter driver is better for the vast majority of golfers. 30 yrs ago the standard men’s driver length was 43″. No one, and I mean no one made one any longer because it was well known that longer drivers are more difficult to hit as straight or as on center as a shorter one. Unfoertunately heavy competition for sales among golf companies starting in the 80s-90s pushed the companies to go longer to try to lure more sales on the basis of golfers hitting one out of ten shots longer than ever before. Companies have known for a long time that “distance sells more golf clubs than anything else” and they are preying on this when they have shifted driver lengths up to where they are now, between 45-46″. No question whatsoever that 98% of all golfers should never be in a driver longer than 44″ and if they suffer more from accuracy issues, not longer than 43.5″. And actually as long as your grip size feels comfortable when you grip down, there is no real reason to go to the trouble of cutting it shorter.


  2. Hi Tom,
    Are all your 919 drivers the same “performance” throughout the years? For example, I have an older model with the shorter hosel…is there any benefit getting a new one? Did you do any performance changes?

    • KEVIN

      The change of the hosel length of the 919 drivers was done to incorporate a bendable hosel to offer clubmakers the chance to much more precisely custom fit a golfer for a specific lie and face angle that would help his accuracy and an aspect of consistency. Those are certainly performance elements that were affected by the change in the hosel construction. If by performance you mean distance then no, the 919 was always as close to the USGA limit for COR/CT as possible and its off center hit performance has always been at the top because of the variable thickness face design. In fact there are no new drivers and never will be any new drivers from anyone that will top what is out there now in terms of face hotness and off center hit forgiveness because every company has been at the limit for these performance factors for several years now.


    • Tom, I know this may be an impossible question but I purchased a set of your Sterling iron and LOVE them. Shot the best round of my golf life (even par at Pinehurst) in the second round of my trial. Amazing. Now I want your 919 driver but I dont have a wishon fitter anywhere near me. I have done many fittings and always end up with a mid kick shaft such as a speeder 757 or currently a hazordous Black in stiff and X flex. I bought the superlite in my Sterlings and love them. I also know my numbers very well as I have a Foresight launch monitor in my basement. driver is 108mph, AOA is 5-6 up, mid-release (8-10), launch angles are 13-17 with 1600-2000 spin. I am playing a 9 degree srixon 765 driver turned down to 8 degree. I think I want the 919 for its toe strike forgiveness but I just dont know what shaft to buy… Any suggestions?

    • STEVE

      Great to hear you are doing so well with the Sterling Irons. Wow, even at PH is really golfing the ball and shows that you definitely are a player. There are a few of the clubmakers who will work with golfers from afar in a back and forth communication to nail down your specs. Some though insist on working in person with the player. We do not have info as to who will do long distance e-fitting because we just have not asked the question. So let me recommend that you contact a handful of the best clubfitters to ask and perhaps start the dialog. The ones I recommend would be 1) Tim Mosel in New Jersey, 2) Keith Chatham in Kerrville, TX, 3) Bob Williams in Pasadena, CA, 4) Roy Nix in Columbus, GA 5) Jim McCleery in Ohio. Now here’s what you do – head to our website and look for the FIND A CLUBFITTER link at the top of the home page. Go there and type in the state/town I have listed for each. That gives you their contact info so you could email them and start the conversation. Also, as a better player it is certain you would have a more refined sense of feel for the shaft and the specs like swingweight, grip size, along with the obvious like loft. You’ll be miles ahead to do this with a shaft, swingweight, grip and loft you know for sure you like rather than to try to go with a shaft you have never hit before. Experimenting with different shafts is something best done in person and not in a back and forth from afar. Besides if you know you like a certain shaft at a specific length and swingweight with the loft and grip size/type you are used to, then you have eliminated lots of possible variables so the actual design of the head can stand forth to demonstrate itself for you. Hope this helps, and thanks so much for your interest.


  3. Tom,
    I thought I had heard you mention somewhere that you were working on a player’s driver design that may come out in the future. Is something still in the works? I assume the club would be <460 cc?
    Thank you!

    • KYLE

      Yes, the final testing is being done on the new 519SHPR driver in anticipation of having it join the product line next spring. It is smaller, running at 412cc and will be available to begin with in RH in 9* and 11* lofts. WE will keep all models in the 919THI so we can evaluate how the new 519 does when it is released before we make any other decisions about whether we tool up other models in the 519 or what. It will be done with the same type of bendable hosel as the 919 so it will be able to be adjusted by us for clubmakers to any lie from +4 up to -4 flat and any face angle from 4 open to 4 closed. Hand select will as always be available for lofts between 8.5 and 12 within the two models. I hope it is received well as another option beyond the 919.


    • Thank you Tom,
      I’m very excited to see the new design. I was planning on getting a new 919 this winter, but can manage to wait until the spring.

  4. Hi Tom,

    What are your thoughts regarding why it is important to fit a golfer to the correct lie angle relative to drivers, fairway woods and hybrids. I can find many articles that refer to its importance for irons, but nothing definitive in the case of drivers, fairways and hybrids. My irons are bent to 3* flat and I’m wondering how insistent I need to be with my fitter on having the lie angles of my other clubs adjusted.

    • MIKE

      Good question and I am happy to answer for you. With the irons lie is all about accuracy – as loft increases the face is tilted more off line when the lie is not fit right to make the sole travel level to the ground through impact. With the driver and woods it is different. For one, with less loft the misdirection angle is not so much and this is also muted by the fact the fairway is much wider than a typical green. But there is a definite importance in having the lie of the driver and woods fit right. With the driver, if the toe is sticking way up in the air at impact it is possible for the golfer to see this and think something is wrong so he elevates his hands/arms or stands more erect than he should and swing mistakes can happen. But if the golfer sees the toe up and thinks nothing of it, then the lie is not that big of a deal.

      With the fairways and hybrids it is more important by far because you’re hitting the ball off the deck. If the fwy or hybrid head comes to impact either toe up or heel up, this means the sole directly under the center of the face is up off the ground so impact could happen lower on the face which affects ball speed and trajectory. You want the center of the sole to travel level with the ground so you have the best chance of impact happening in the center of the face where you want it. Fitting the lie so the sole travels level through impact helps impact be more consistent.


  5. I am very interested in making my next driver a Tom Wishon product, however I’d like to know how this compares to the Ping G400 and Callaway Rogue, both very forgiving and long drivers. Thanks!!

    • Mr Fowlkes

      Thank you very much for your interest. While I would put the 919THI up against any driver ever made anywhere by any company, that won’t mean anything to you coming from me. Of course you would think I would say that. So the only possible way you can have a chance to see if such a move would be worth your time and money would be to contact a custom clubmaker in your area to see if you can test hit one of the 919’s hopefully in test specs that would be reasonably well fit to what you would need. To see if there is a clubmaker in reasonable proximity to where you live, you can go to the FIND A CLUBFITTER link on the top of our home page at wishongolf.com. Input your town/city and the closest clubmakers who work with my designs will be displayed, with contact information.

      Hope it works out for you and the very best to you in this great game,

  6. Hi Tom I’ve just read your book In Search of the perfect club which I found fascinating,so much so that I wet to the local range and got them to build me a driver with 13 1/2 degree loft and a softer lighter shaft for me to try against my ping 10 1/2 regular shafted driver.
    Tom it was a no brainer my swing speed is around 80 these days at age 65,the difference in performance was so much better.The trajectory was higher ,the strike felt very solid and the carry distance greater.All this from a club assembled in minutes with no no assessment of my swing at all.No doubt I’ve been using the wrong all my golfing life.
    Tom thankyou for writing that book every golfer should read it .
    I would’ve a driver made up by you but I live in the UK , is that possible if not what information would you need?
    I hope you will respond
    Your latest fan
    Peter Coventry

    • Peter

      Thank you very much for being so interested in golf club performance that you decided to read one of my books! That’s very nice of you and I am so pleased to hear that you acted on some of what you read and found the results to be positive for your game. I’ve been digging into the performance of golf clubs since 1974 and I can tell you three things — I don’t get tired of learning something new about club technology, I really enjoy sharing what I learn along the way (which is why I write) and the best one – I sometimes get to hear when something I shared ends up helping a golfer enjoy this great game so much.

      If you do not mind a small bit of a drive to the east, I can tell you that in Hadlow, Kent is the man who IMO is the #1 clubfitter on planet earth – Richard Kempton. Richard and I go way back in this side of the golf business and I am proud to say for a while I was his mentor. But only until his own passion for this exploded and he went on his own to truly become superb in this field. He’s a very nice man who always goes the extra mile to do the best possible fit and custom club work for the golfers who find him. If that’s too far for you, you can go to wishongolf.com, click on the FIND A CLUBFITTER search tool found at the top of the home page, and there you can input your location to see the clubfitters we work with who might be closer. I would hope you can manage the drive over to see Richard though because it would be an entertaining and rewarding experience, I have no doubt. here is his contact information in the event this might be ok for you:

      Simply Golf
      Richard Kempton

      Thanks again so much for your interest Peter and I wish you the very best in this great game,

  7. Tom do you still have the 919 in a offset head

    • Stephen
      No I am sorry but the 919 Offset was discontinued last year. As is the case whenever any model is discontinued, it is because the demand from the clubmakers just is not enough to sustain the requirements for production and inventory. Once we created the bendable hosel on the non offset 919 driver heads, that allowed clubmakers to bend more of a closed face angle to reduce a slice tendency. The Offset model’s main reason for existence was to help reduce a slice. So with the bendable hosel there really was no need to keep the offset, also since more people can live with the look of a closed face wood than can accept the different look of an offset driver.

      Hope this helps,

  8. Tom,another question:

    The specs state the Bore Depth to be 35 mm and the Swingweight Bore depth to be 15 mm.I had understood the 35 mm was available for shaft insertion and another 15 mm was there for the weight plug insertion.

    I find that after having inserted the cylindrical tungsten weight,the shaft can only be inserted upto 20 mm?

    Can you please confirm?

    • Tariq
      The hosel bore depth of the 919 is 35mm and the weight bore depth is 15mm. Both do have a +/-1mm tolerance so they could be 34 and 14 or 36 and 16. I would be highly unlikely to impossible for the actual bore depth to be 20mm due to all of the procedures and checks that are instituted in the production of these heads. The hosels are made separately by machining and then welded on to the body of the head so it just is completely unlikely for a mistake of this magnitude to ever be able to happen. In 10 years of making the 919’s there has never been one head reported to us with such a short bore depth, ever.

      So, this being the case, the only way this could happen is if the head is used and was previously shafted in such a way that the person did not get the weight plug they may have used to penetrate all of the way to the bottom of the weight bore. You should be able to shine a light into the hosel to see if there is something in there such as a weight plug blocking the bore. It would be also ok to use a 21/64″ or an 8.5mm drill bit to drill carefully and slowly down the bore. You’d want to have the head secured in a vise between rubber or padded jaws so the head can remain secure while you carefully drill down the bore to see what residue comes out. If you are not able to or not confident in doing this, if you live in the USA you could send me the head at Tom Wishon – PO box 2567 – Durango, CO 81302 – and I would be glad to look at it and see what is going on, and fix it and return it to you. If you live outside the US then you would want to send it with a note of explanation to Diamond Golf International in England. You can go to wishongolf.com and get their mailing address in the UK.

      Hope this helps and I would appreciate it if you would delete the thread you posted on WRX about this so others would not think this is a problem when in fact it just has to be some odd anomaly that can be resolved by someone with proper experience with this. Thank you.


    • Tom,

      This is used head. I believe the previous owner ,in trying to clean out the hosel,drilled past the 35 mm mark right through the bottom of the weight cavity. Theoretically if a weight were to now be inserted into the hosel it would slide right down to the bottom of the head,but that is not happening! At the 35 mm mark there has formed a metal circle which reduces the diameter of the hosel such that it prevents the weight plug to descend further.Hence my comment that only 20 mm was left when I inserted the weight plug.
      I took the head to my clubmaker who confirmed this .He weighed the head and it is exactly 200 gr,so no weight has dropped into the head. There is some glue at the bottom of the head so I guess it caught the bottom of the weight cavity when it was drilled out.

      My only option now for Swing Weight adjustment is to either put some lead strips at the back of the head or insert weights into the shaft-probably both!

      In any case there is obviously no question of manufacturing defect and I shall modify my post in golfwrx to that effect.

      Sorry if I seemed to be “blaming” Wishon manufacturing.


    • Tariq

      Thanks so much for the additional information. That helps me a lot to explain things better for you to try to help. When we put the weight bore into any woodhead, it is made by carefully welding a thin wall cylinder of 7.5mm diameter and 15mm depth to the bottom of the shafting bore. This of course has to be done before all of the body pieces are welded to form the whole head. There is a small lip made at the bottom of the shafting bore that is there to stop the tip of the shaft during normal shaft installation. This weight bore construction means if someone is very aggressive when drilling down into the weight bore, it is possible to break off the entire weight bore cylinder or to damage it so that it could not accept a future weight plug. Of course if the whole weight bore cylinder were broken off the bottom of the shafting bore, that should create a pretty loud rattle inside the head.

      So if there is no rattle that has to mean that whatever drilling may have been done down into the weight bore somehow damaged it to the point that you can’t get a weight plug in there. It could be hanging at an angle to the shafting bore, held in place only by a part of the weld to the bottom of the shafting bore.

      Either way, if you cannot get a weight plug down into the actual weight bore, then you cannot use a weight plug in the head. You do not want to try to put a weight plug in the bottom area of the shafting bore. If you do this you of course reduce the depth that the shaft can go down into the shafting bore. Since the weight plugs are 7.0mm diameter and the shafting bore is 8.6mm diameter, to put a weight plug into a bore which is that much larger means the weight can definitely come loose after the club is hit several times. Besides, no matter what, under no circumstances should any shaft be put into any head with a penetration depth of less than 25mm. Even with high strength epoxy it is still possible for a shaft to twist loose from a bore when less than 25mm of the shaft tip is in the bore.

      So you are right – the only way you can weight this head is with lead tape or with a tip weight. But you have to be careful with a tip weight because if the end of the tip weight is too long, that reduces the amount of shaft tip able to be held by the epoxy in the bore. But if you can get the tip of the shaft to go all the way down 35mm to the lip at the bottom of the shafting bore, then that means you can use a heavier graphite shaft tip weight and still have enough shaft tip to have the epoxy hold the shaft secure.

      I did not mean to infer you meant to blame our production – it is just that today on web forums many people want to think the worst when someone talks about something out of the ordinary on a golf club. At any rate, thanks for the additional info and I hope this helps you.

  9. Hi Tom,

    I’ve a 911 THI 11degrees which I love. Recently I bought another 11 degree head on a golf forum and the hosel on this one is about 1/2 inch longer thanmy current head.
    My question is: Is the new head a more recent model which better accomodates hosel bending? And does that mean my current head will be more difficult to bend?


    • Tariq

      All of the 919 driver heads made with the longer length hosel are bendable. The non bendable early version of the 919 had a much, much shorter hosel length.


  10. Tom when measuring this driver in the spec gauge I think I can see how it soled for face angle but maybe you can make it clearer. When I put it in and press down it opens the face up to a reasonable degree and then I have to push back on it to get it to open up more. When measuring the lie is it the dot in the center of the face thats used?

    • Andrew

      This is so hard to try to use only written words to explain how to fixture the 919 for proper specs measurement. Since I can’t show you in person I will try to send you some photos to your gmail address to try to help. But I just got back from being away for a week so I need a day or two to catch up on the things that happened before your question arrived. So forgive me for being a few days late with this.

  11. Hi Tom,

    I hope you are well.

    Last time we spoke was after I was fitted for the 575 combo set with a 775 in the 3. In the 775 I was put in your black hybrid shaft 65-80 swing speed.

    I’m going for a driver fitting but unfortunately the fitter doesn’t have any of your equipment.

    So he doesn’t try to put in to a shaft that costs the earth is there any shaft you would recommend.

    Thanks for your help.

      If the Black hybrid shaft plays and performs and feels good to you, then it would mean your swing characteristics would match up well to our S2S Black 65 in the same letter flex that you have in the Black hybrid shaft. I keep my shaft design prices very reasonable because I believe firmly that this matter of shafts for woods costing $200, $300 is one of the, if not the single biggest scam ever put on golfers in the history of the game. Period. And anyone who tells you different does not know stuff from shinola about shafts I can assure you. You also have the right as a paying customer to tell the clubmaker to order my 919 and the Black shaft and if he doesn’t want to do that, walk away.

      Hope this helps,

  12. Hello TOM, how are you?

    I have talked with you through this site a few times, with regards to the amazing Sterling Irons discussions page, and I had a question about the 919thi. When it comes to the 11 degree, which is made with the .5 hook face angle, we could have a fitter/builder change that angle to a square face angle right?

    I apologize if this is a stupid question, lol, as I do see in the clubhead specs that you’re able to change the face angle up to 4 degrees… but I needed to make sure before I picked up another one of these beautiful driver heads.

    I have a 9 degree but was looking to get an 11 degree and test it even shorter (43.5″ to 44″) and see if it improves my driving accuracy %’s. But definitely wanted a square face like the 9 degree.

    Thanks TOM,


    • JAKE

      Very good and thank you for asking! The reason I put the special softer titanium material hosel on the 919 driver heads is so the head can be custom bent to change the lie and the face angle to better fit golfers. With it, any of the 919 models can be changed within a +/-4* range from the design specs for the face angle and the lie angle. So yes, the 919-11 can be square, easily. For something like a 1/2* only change, it is also possible for the 919-11 to be ordered with a Hand Select to find one that is 11* loft and 0* face angle without having to do a bend. The bend is just faster while sorting through a box of 919’s to find one at 0* square takes more time.

      That’s the good news, the bad news is that not very many clubmakers have the proper bending machine to properly clamp the driver head so the hosel can be bent. That can’t be done with any of the existing iron bending machines. Thus a clubmaker would have to invest in a totally separate machine to be able to bend my drivers (and fwy woods and hybrids). Which means not many have done this. But the head can be ordered from Diamond Golf with whatever loft, lie and face angle you want and they will either hand pick it or bend it to have the lie and face angle to go with the loft you need.

      Thanks again for your support !

    • Thanks TOM, as usual you are so informative (and timely) with your replies.

      While I was out I called around and you’re right, nobody can help me with bending the driver heads. I was really hoping one of your resellers had the ability… but no luck there either.

      I will have to find a way to get a head direct from diamond with the right setup.

      Thanks again,


  13. Finally found a 8* driver and had it bent 1 1/2 degree closed and loving it. Hit it straight or slight fade. Finding fairways finally. I struggle with slice and had learned to manipulate my wrist and clubface with my old callaway but the closed face on my wishon make MY swing work so much easier. Really don’t understand why bending clubs isn’t more popular.

    • Allen

      Great to hear that you are finding fairways with the newly adjusted driver. That’s precisely why I developed that feature for the 919 drivers as well as for the majority of the fairway woods and hybrids in my line. The other companies do not do this because, 1) they don’t have any real experience with using face angle as an accuracy enhancement spec on a driver/wood/hybrid. Over the years it’s evident that these other companies do not even state a face angle spec for their drivers, woods and hybrids. Why is because to do that would require them to add more SKUs to their inventory. And 2) the companies are not really aware of the special and unusual pure non-alloyed titanium material I chose to use to make the hosels on the driver to be bendable.

      To them it is far more about selling as many units as they can to make the most money. To do that you have to reduce your inventory SKUs and you have to sell your clubs in standard form off the rack. Offering real custom cannot possibly generate the volume in sales that selling standard off the rack can.

      Congratulations on enjoying this great game a little more than before – in the end THAT is what it has always been about to me, not breaking any sales records.

  14. Hello Tom… I’ve read your comments above regarding the weight bore at the bottom of the hosel on the 919 THI. Can you tell me what exactly it looks like? Is there a hosel plug that I have to remove before I can access the weight bore?

    The reason I’m asking is because I bought a used 919 THI head from eBay last year, but never could get the swing weight of the finished club down to an acceptable level since the head by itself weighs a whopping 212 grams! So I’m wondering if the previous owner had added weight in the hosel. I’ve drilled it out very clean, and it seems like I’m already hitting metal at the bottom of the hosel. So I’m not sure if I should keep going. The bottom of the hosel is pretty hard and I’m not sure I could even drill through it even if I dared to do so.

    By the way, I already removed the medallion on the sole to check if perhaps the previous owner had drilled through it and added weight there. But the sole is perfectly intact under the medallion. So right now, I have no idea why the head is so heavy. Everything else about the head seems normal… doesn’t look like it’s been tampered with at all.

    Sorry for the long comment. Hope you can shed some light. The head has the long bendable hosel if that’s relevant.

    Many thanks for your time…

    Chris Ong

    • CHRIS

      First keep in mind that every bit of the area inside the driver head is open and hollow. The hosel weight bore is a thin walled steel cylinder of 7.5mm ID and 15mm length that is welded carefully to the underside of the hosel. There is no cover on the weight bore. Down at the bottom of the shafting bore is a lip that stops the shaft tip at a bore depth of 35mm. The weight bore is open at the bottom of the shafting bore but because of the lip and the fact the weight bore is 7.5mm ID, there is no way the shaft can ever penetrate down into the weight bore.

      There is a small hole in the bottom of the weight bore. It’s purpose is to allow the head making factory to inject a special sticky glue inside the hollow cavity of the head through a narrow nozzle inserted through the hole in the bottom of the weight bore. All metal woods, hybrids and drivers have a sticky glue injected into the head to catch any loose particles that may break loose after the head is put into play. After the factory injects the sticky glue through the hole at the bottom of the weight bore, they tamp a small plastic stopper plug down into the bottom of the weight bore to close off this open hole. That prevents epoxy from either the installation of a weight plug or the shaft from oozing into the head, drying and then causing a rattle.

      The design spec weight of the 919 driver heads is 202g with a normal tolerance of +/-2g. If your head is 212g this means it must have a 9 gram tungsten weight plug epoxied into the weight bore. Tungsten is too hard to drill so you will never get that out by drilling into the weight bore. Also, because this is a thin wall cylinder welded to the underside of the bore, it is very possible if you use too much force in trying to drill out the weight, you will simply fracture the weld and the whole weight bore will fall into the open cavity of the head, which basically is a disaster and renders the head unusable. A weight bore loose inside the head makes for a really loud maraca rattle!

      Starting about 7-8 yrs ago I began to have the tungsten weight plugs made with a flat head screwdriver slot on one end. I did this so if you want to remove a tungsten weight, you at least have a chance to do so by heating the area of the outside of the head adjacent to the weight bore to loosen the epoxy holding the weight in the bore. Then you insert a flat head screwdriver down the bore and do your best to find that slot to begin twisting around and around, back and forth in an effort to loosen the weight in the bore to knock it out. Most guys have about a 50/50 chance of getting it out of a driver. You heat, then twist the weight around, then heat a little more, twist the weight a little more until the rotation feels pretty loose. Then you beat the top of the hosel hard against a wood surface to try to knock the weight out. Don’t worry, as long as you are beating the top of the hosel against a wood surface it won’t do any damage to the hosel. (and hope that the person who put the weight in happened to do so with the slot facing up !!!)

      The bendable hosel is not relevant to any of this with the weight bore. I was doing the same type of weight bore in all clubheads since I started the company back in 2002.

      Hope this helps a bit,

    • Hello again, Tom… I wanted to thank you for getting back to me so quickly, and for providing such a detailed explanation on how to remove the tungsten weight.

      I am very happy to report that, by following your instructions, I was able to remove the weight!! And all without doing any damage whatsoever to the head! Everything you said was spot on– from the flat screwdriver slot at the top, to heating and twisting the weight, and finally, banging the hosel on a piece of wood. It all worked perfectly!

      The head now weighs a very manageable 203 grams. So I’m sure it will be a simple matter to get the swingweight to my preferred D2-D3. I can’t wait to put a shaft in and finally be able to give the head a fair shake!

      Thanks again! Your guidance was invaluable, and truly appreciated.


    • CHRIS

      HEY !! how about that !! Very glad to hear you were successful in getting the weight out of the head. You must have a higher level of patience than others who I have counseled on this and gave up (too soon probably !!)

      Good deal and have fun playing and experimenting with the club !


  15. Tom, Does the 919THI have the adjustable hosel found on other woods? Could a 9* head be brought up 11*? Would adjusting the lie up in this way help drop the CG lower in the head?

    • JOE

      The bendable hosel on my driver and wood and hybrid heads is NOT for loft change. It is there for making a custom LIE and or FACE ANGLE change. Not Loft. The only way bending the hosel on my heads can change loft is if the golfer is taught then to always turn the club in his hands to hold the club hovered off the ground and to hold it so the face is being held square to the target line. But if you rest the clubhead on its sole, then the bend becomes a face angle change and the loft never changes. You see, the reason a hosel bend changes loft on irons is because we golfers automatically sole the iron with the face always square to the target. BEcause iron soles are so much more narrow than a driver/wood/hybrid sole, you never see an iron tilt into an open or closed face after bending. Not that way on a wood. When you bend the hosel in a direction toward or away from the target, then when you rest the head on its sole, that bend becomes a face angle change.

      It really is the same way with any of the adjustable hosel sleeve woods on the market. If after rotating the sleeve you were to rest the head on its sole, you would see the face point more open or more closed. So with an adj hosel sleeve head you still have to turn the grip in your hands to hold the face square and hover the head slightly off the ground to get that sleeve adjustment to become a loft change.

      If you were to bend the 9* to make the face angle 2* more closed than it is presently, and then if you were to turn the head to hold it square, that would increase the loft to around 11. But it would not really have much of any effect on the CG for the main reason because to even get that loft change, you have to hover the head off the ground while turning the face to square. Hovering the head slightly off the ground to prevent soling it would indirectly raise the CG but only because you are not soling the head on the ground.


  16. Hello Tom,

    Firstly, sorry to ask a question about an old driver on a new driver post.

    I recently bought a new (old stock) 715CLC driver, and I’m not sure how to adjust it.

    I’m assuming that a two pin spike wrench is used to turn the disc? Is that the adjustment in itself, or is the disc a cover that needs removing first? I can’t see alignment marks to turn it to.

    Can you advise please?

    It is a lovely looking club by the way.

    Thank you in advance.


    • PAUL:

      The screw that covers the access hole to the rotating weight inside is tightened/loosened with a 3-pin wrench. Unfortunately this was a custom made wrench, made only for the sole screw of this 715CLC driver head. Since this driver was discontinued a long time ago, like maybe 10 yrs ago, I am sorry to say there are no wrenches left over at the company. The only thing I can suggest is to Google/Bing to the website for either one of the two clubmaker professional organizations and try to send an email to ask them to canvas their member forums to inquire if any clubmakers might have one of these wrenches left over. The two organizations are the Association of Golf CLubfitting Professionals and the International Clubmakers’ Guild.

      Upon removing the sole screw you will see there is a rotating weight arm inside the head, held in place by the sole screw. It’s function was NOT to increase/decrease weight. the function was to rotate the weight around inside the head to change the head performance from lower flight (weight pointing forward) to higher flight (weight pointing back) to draw bias (weight pointing to the heel) or fade bias (weight pointing to the toe). You can also position the weight arm at in between locations as well.

      It was a very complex head to design and manufacture – boy was it hard to manufacture !! In the end, it was a pretty clever design if I do say so myself. what killed it and led it to discontinued status though was the fact it was not large enough at a time in the golf industry when everyone had begun to fall in love with huge 460cc volume size drivers, while this one was 375cc in volume/Size. But to be able to make different weight arms with as much as 35-40 grams on the end of the arm, the head had to be smaller.

      Hope this helps,


  17. Tom, Is it possible for you to talk about what’s new for 2018? Also, anticipated release/availability dates, etc? Will there be a 2018 catalog? Thank you very much.

    • ORAN

      There will of course be a new catalog for 2018. Diamond Golf International will again create two separate catalogs, one for their complete component line of grips, shafts, tools, accessories and training aids and a separate catalog for the Wishon Golf product line. New for 2018 will be a new all black line of hybrids to be called 318 Rail System and a new family of wedges to be called PCF Micro Pro. We will also introduce an all new shaft to head connector system called ShaftLock that will incorporate all the good things from the former Spiralock connector system (full bore penetration of the shaft plus easy compression lock for the shaft, but it will eliminate the things we did not as well. No threading of heads to receive a threaded connector. The new Shaft Lock will be epoxied into the bore. Also it can now be made from high grade aluminum so it will be lighter and much less expensive too.

      And we are already at work on new models for 2019 which will include a new player’s line of driver heads as well as a couple other models not ready to say much about yet. Thanks so much for your interest,

  18. Hi Tom,
    Big fan of all the Wishon products I have used. I was just wondering is it possible to order a custom made driver with very low loft? I have a lot of club head speed and swing up on the ball a good amount and wanted to build myself a long drive driver. Im looking for around 5 or 6 degrees. I have a bang storm in a 7 right now but the driver head really is not that good especially for accuracy. I could picture your driver head actually allowing me to somewhat keep the ball in play compared to the bang. Would be willing to pay a fair amount extra. Figured id take a chance and ask. If not no problem I understand. Thanks so much!

    • FRANK

      It is possible for us to go through all of the 919THI 9* driver heads in our inventory and find one at 8*, but not less than that. ALL clubhead production factories do their head manufacturing with a +/-1* tolerance from the design spec of the head. Such a tolerance cannot be avoided in this business no matter who the company is. What varies is how many heads in a production run are a full +1 or -1* vs +1/2 or -1/2 or +1/4 or -1/4. We have always used this to the advantage of the clubmakers when they need a loft that is different than the spec lofts in our designs of drivers, fwy woods and hybrids. So it is possible for the clubmaker who places the order to ask for the 919THI to be hand selected for an 8* loft – our trained people who do the specs measurement will go through the inventory measuring lofts until they find one with 8*. But because anything less than 8 would be culled out by the factory during their QC inspections of a production run, there will not be any heads under 8* loft. Outside of that to get something under 8* would require all new tooling dies to make it that way. So if you have a spare $6,000 for the new dies I can get you a 7* driver head !! HA !

      Thanks very much for your support and interest !!

  19. Tom,

    Why is your standard driver lie angle at 58 degrees, and the starting lie angle for the fairway mini driver starting lie angle is 57 degrees.

    Is there a specific purpose regarding difference in length, shaft droop, or forward bend? Or something else?


    • Jarrod

      Two reasons – one, because the 919F/D is intended to be built to shorter lengths than the 919THI and that means less downward droop of the shaft during the swing. In a longer length wood/driver, more downward droop means the club’s effective lie flattens more than it will when a club is at a shorter length. And two, because there will be some who will want to hit the F/D off the deck so from my experience, flatter is a little better for that than upright if you err. But even still a difference of 1* is virtually undetectable. Bet the farm that had I done it at 58, no one would have known any different vs it being at 57. In the tech side of golf clubs, there are many things in clubs that we can measure a difference for in specs that have no real effect on performance. In short, for 99% of all golfers it takes bigger changes in club specs to bring about smallish to medium changes in performance. And some measurable changes in specs are too small to have any effect.


  20. Hi Tom,
    Hope you’re enjoying retirement.

    I currently us only two clubs that are not from the Wishon stable but I’m getting very close to replacing my 10 year old Titliest driver with a 919.

    I have been using this Driver with a White Wishon shaft @ 43 inches. It’s loft is 10.5 degrees and sits square. I have a relatively slow swing speed and I do hit the club on quite a high trajectory.

    I am thinking of having the new club built to 43.5 or maybe even 44 inches.

    I have a number of questions.

    With all other things being equal i.e. Swingweight, shaft spec, swingspeed etc

    Will the 11* head hit the ball a little higher/ further? Or will the differences be negligible?

    Will the 0.5 closed face angle see the ball travel on a slightly drawn flight?When I’m striking the ball well I don’t suffer from a slice but can suffer from a right to left flight and my course is tight on the left hand side of most holes.

    When aligning the club is there a need to square the face of the club to the target line or does the club sit slightly shut to the target.

    When I’ve set up a “toed in” driver in the past it has appeared a little odd at address. I’m worried that if I have it built I might not like the look of the 11* head.

    Is it possible to have 9* head hand picked at 10 or 10*?

    • Thanks Peter but there is a “semi” with a hyphen in front of the word “retirement” !! Meaning I work about as hard as I did before ! OK, not on every day but what else would a confirmed equipment junkie like me do ? Actually RETIRE ???? Uh Uh, nada !

      It’s really not possible for me to comment on how the shot trajectory of the 919THI would compare to some other company’s driver head model. I’d have to have one of those other heads to be able to analyze all the things that contribute to the launch angle to be able to comment with any level of surety. I’ve always thought of the 919 as being pretty true to loft when it comes to launch angle and flight – it is not a high ball hitting driver nor a lower shot design. One thing you do have to keep in mind is where on the face of the Titleist driver you are making contact when you get this higher flight. If you are hitting the ball on the upper half of the face, it is possible the Titleist would offer a higher flight than would the 919. This would be because the titleist along with every other big company driver is made with conventional and IMO excessive roll radius on the face. Since 2004 I have designed every driver, wood and hybrid with much less vertical roll radius on the face, something we call GRT for graduated roll technology. Other companies still stick with the old school 12″ roll radius up and down the face of their drivers, sometimes even 10″.

      When you do that with a 460cc large head with a taller face, you end up with 2 to 3* more loft on the upper half of the face than you do in the center of the face where the stated loft of a driver is measured. With my GRT reduced roll, you only get about 1* more loft on the upper half of the face. So higher face shots with the 919 would undoubtedly be lower than higher face shots with the Titleist you have. That’s my analysis without seeing your driver.

      Remember that with the bendable hosel on the 919, you or your clubmaker can spec whatever face angle and whatever lie you want – you can also ask for a hand select to any loft you want too. So just because the standard specs say 0.5 closed for the FA , that in no way is what you would have to end up with. Hand select loft and lie/face angle bends would need to be requested when the head is ordered and that’s what you will receive. because of the way the tolerances run for loft on the 919’s, it is more likely to find a 10 among the 11’s than to find a 10 among the 9’s. Real tolerances on the 919 tend to run +1/2* and minus 1* for loft. But if does not matter if the 10 comes from a 9 or an 11.


  21. I was looking through some of the older 2006 Wishon Golf catalog and with the driver components there was a section listed as “performance.” It provided the launch angle with a given loft and level angle of attack.This is a great source of information.
    What is the launch angle for lets say the 919THI with 10.5 degrees of loft and a level angle of attack? Is this information still important to know in order to learn the angle of attack for a given golfer? Going through this old catalog I see that the same loft and angle of attack resulted in different launch angles when comparing the different club head designs.


    • THOMAS

      Yes, I stopped doing that info because there were just too many variables involved that confused people. Not the least of which was the point of impact on the face which will vary a lot between golfers depending on several things. In addition, we learned from more work that there were a lot of other variables in terms of a person’s swing that affected their angle of attack so it really was not possible to be nearly as accurate in guesstimating the angle of attack from knowing the loft and the launch angle for a shot. The reason for the different launch angles in the old catalog for different models was from the center of gravity position in the head. But I see the 919THI as very much a “neutral” design for launch angle – it is not at all a low or a higher launching driver head but is right in the middle performance wise. As such and because there are so many variables involved, you just cannot determine/guess what your specific launch angle will be for any driver or clubhead model without actually hitting it on a decent quality launch monitor.

  22. Hi Tom,

    Been a fan for sometime and always read your blog. I am looking at this 919 THI on sale on eBay. It is 11 degrees and reg shaft. I am 66 years old and have a swing speed of 85-90 and hit a Ping G driver 200-225. Wondering if your 919thi would be a good improvement for me. I always wanted to try one of your clubs and the price seems right to go ahead and give it a shot.
    Whatever help or info you could provide would be much appreciated.

    • BOB

      The reason that I never pursued a business model to put my designs into pro shops or retail golf stores and why I hate it when my clubs are sold on Ebay is because I have always, always been STRONGLY in favor of custom fitting over making clubs to some series of standard specs to be sold off the rack or just sold in some pre made form. Especially the driver which is by its very nature the hardest club to hit consistently well. Without you knowing the length, the face angle, the actual model and weight of the R shaft, the total weight, the swingweight and the grip size of this used 919 driver, it is a complete crap shoot as to whether this driver can be any better than what you have, or possibly worse. With a swing speed of 85-90 mph, more than likely you need to have a loft higher than 11* to maximize your distance. If you have any mis-direction tendencies such as a moderate to nagging slice, then you would definitely want the face angle of the driver to be closed to help reduce that tendency. And then you have your own individual need for the total weight and swingweight of any club so that it can best match your strength and your swing tempo to allow you to achieve the best shot consistency possible for your ability. I know you would like to save some money and I do so much appreciate your interest in what we do such that you were attracted to this offer of the used 919THI driver. But the last thing I want as a designer is for someone to get one of my designs in a club and not have it work as well as it could and should, if it were custom fit to you as I have always intended my models to be sold. Thus I would strongly advise you to think about working with a competent clubfitter to be custom fit into a 919THI driver. To see if there is a decent fitter near to you, we welcome you to head back to wishongolf.com and click on the link in the middle of the home page for FIND A CLUBFITTER. Input your location and up will come the closest clubfitter to your area. Call him, tell him about your game, your swing characteristics, your playing goals. See if you feel good about the exchange and ask for pricing for everything and then make a decision as to whether you wish to work with the fitter for a properly fit driver or not. Hope this helps and thanks so much again for your interest,

    • Than you Tom for your expertise and quick response. I decided to buy the club anyway with the idea that i might go to get fitted since the hosel is bendable and the shaft can always be changes.The club is like new and I have a pretty predictable swing regardless of my lack of real power considering my distance. I hit 90% of my shots straight, and do not have much of a problem staying in the fairway or very close to it on misses. I am NOT all over the face of the driver with my hits and am on or very close to the center just about all the time. I guess therefore my success on staying in the fairway. I always read your posts and watch your vids so I was so intrigued on getting my hands on one of your clubs that when I found this one in this condition with pretty much a steal of a price, I was willing to take the crap shoot chance with face angle loft and lie. I am hoping to gain more distance, and honestly just love the engineering behind this club AND the cool looks of it. So I’m hoping this works out for me. Thanks again for you cordial and knowledgeable response.

  23. Tom are we still active for this forum? I have more of a technical question. How does the Black X shaft compare with some of the Graphite Design AD Tour shafts specifically the new BB Shafts which pretty much have these characteristics… Soft Butt Mid Firm and Stiff Tip. The reason I ask I have a young guy who wants to give it a go on the Nationwide Tour and have built the Fairway Driver 14 degree for a 3 wood tipped about half an inch and cut at 43 inches with 9 grams of weight added. So he wants to try the Black X in the M 1 driver. I also want to know with a swing speed of 117 to 122 mph will the 919 welds hold up?

    • Tom I should have included this is the 85 gram version of the Black shaft.

    • ROGER:

      In looking over the bend profile numbers for the Black 85-X vs all of the 70 and 80 gram Graphite Design X shafts, here is the rundown on comparison – GD shafts that are very similar to the Black 85-X are the GD Tour AD-DI-8X and Tour AD MT 8X. The GD EV 7X and BB 8X are both a notch stiffer both in the butt and the tip section than the Black 85-X. And the GD Tour AD DJ-8X is softer overall than the Black 85-X. With the new manner of tooling and plasma welding that the 919THI employs in its production, it should be ok for a 120mph player. However, you realize that NO company’s driver head can last forever for that speed.

      Hope this helps,

  24. Tom, Ross from Chilliwack Canada made me the 911 driver with a fiber tec 65 gram shaft 45 inches 9 degree loft 65 pound flex right in the middle of regular or that’s what I was told.The problem is the head feels like it’s sort of flopping around, I have a fairly smooth swing and play to a 3 hdcp. Swing speed with the driver is between 96 and 98 mph. He also made me the 575 blade a wedge to 5 iron with the same shaft but 80 grams. The iron shafts feel stiff compared to my 5.0 rifle shafts though there’s no problem hitting the ball high and straight. He did weight the irons with lead powder while I was there don’t know about the driver. I was wondering if I could put lead tape on the driver head for more feel or do you think I will need to get the driver tipped to stiffen it up. would appreciate your insight. Rob Huget P.S Those 575 heads are the nicest forged irons I have ever played. There just the right size. I guess I should also state that Ross has a lot of equipment but works out of his garage and doesn’t carry a lot of stock so sort of bought what I loved the looks of without trying the heads with different shafts,just on what I thought I needed as far as flex and weight, so maybe not quite fitted as I should have been.

  25. Hello, I have a quick question – My daughter is an avid golfer and has a handicap of 8.1. She is 12 (turning 13 later this month) and 5’2.5″….weighs about a 104 pounds. Currently uses a Ladies Taylor Made AeroBurner HL driver. She wants to change her driver since its got a few dimples (poor baggage handling by airlines)…would you recommend one of your driver models and a person where she could go for a fitting in the DC area (preferably the MD side of it). I am not sure if you have a Higher Loft available…Appreciate your help.

    • Thanks very much for your message and for your interest in proper clubfitting. In the MD side of the DC area, I would recommend you contact either one of these two men for your daughter’s fitting needs. Both are very good, and VERY conscientious in their work.

      Clubs by Moe (Moe Hickey)
      Annapolis, MD

      Custom CLubs of Frederick (Mike Bednarcik)
      Ijamsville, MD

      Thanks VERY much and I hope this helps !

  26. I am close to Charlotte, NC and Columbia, SC. which club fitter in these areas would you recommend?

    • Ernie
      Thanks very much for your interest. I would strongly recommend Curtis Eudy of Leatherman Golf, in Charlotte. He’s very good and we have had many unsolicited follow up emails of thanks from golfers who worked with Curtis for their clubfitting needs over the past years. His contact information is as follows: Leatherman Golf – Curtis Eudy – 704-527-1123 – custiseudy.leathermangolf@gmail.comhttp://www.leathermangolf.com/.

      Hope this helps,

    • Thank you for your reply. I have one more question. I am playing a driver that is 45 inches long. Probably need a shorter driver, 44 or 431/2. Is it possible to just cut down the present shaft and expect proper performance?

    • Ernie
      You can cut the length of your existing driver down to 44 or 43.5 inches, BUT YOU MUST MUST MUST add some weight back to the clubhead to restore the head weight feel of the club during the swing. Just cutting down the length will cause the swingweight to drop by 6 swingweight points for each inch of shortening. That brings about a lack of head feel during the swing. So you will need to get some lead tape to put on the head to bring back enough head weight feel so you can still achieve proper swing timing, rhythm. Ignore or forget that and the length reduction won’t work at all.

    • Thank you! Going to see Curtis at Leatherman Golf in south Charlotte asap!

    • Very good to hear that Ernie ! Everyone we have heard back from after working with Curtis has had nothing but positives to say about the process and the results. Have fun, you’ll learn a lot working with a good independent clubfitter as well.


  27. Hi Tom, looking for a new driver for the season. Playing your 560 irons today and are very happy with them. I went to my local “Golf Supermarket” the other day and tested some of the new drivers that are coming this year (Epic, M2 and some more…) Got some interesting figures on the Trackman that I thought you could help me sort out? (the fitter at the supermarket had no idea)
    Swing speed 95-98, swing path around 2 degrees from inside, and an upward attack angle of about 2-3 degrees. But the spin rate was very high – between 3500-4000. Tried different clubs, lofts and shafts but the spin rate would not come down. Think I should be able to get it lower as I hit up on the ball?
    Will probably visit Brejan at the end and book a fitting session, but it would be interesting to hear your view on this? Apart from hitting up on the ball and experimenting with loft angles – what else can affect the spin rate? To my understanding the “optimal” spin rate should be in the low 2000 rpm area. How will I get there with the other swing figures staying the same?
    Thanks! /Leif

    • LEIF
      Thanks very much for your interest and I am always happy to help. First off, do NOT trust the spin numbers from any launch monitor that is not a TrackMan or FlightScope unit and do not trust the spin numbers from any indoor unit even counting the TrackMan or FlightScope. Only these two launch monitors when used to track the shot from impact to landing can be reliable for spin. And even then if the hitting is being done with range balls, that messes with the real spin accuracy anyway even with a TM or FS monitor. Spin is a very difficult parameter to measure with accuracy and only the Doppler Radar technology of the TM and FS machines can do it with reasonable accuracy. All of these other machines try to use a camera or laser or even just calculations from the clubhead speed to come up with the spin. So put these numbers out of your mind and do not believe them.

      I do recommend you work with Breit at Brejans for your fitting needs. He is one of the very best clubfitters in the world and you will get the very best information and the very best custom fit clubs from him.


  28. Hi TOM,

    So I’ve been playing golf now for 5 years (16HDCP). I’ve always struggled with woods particularly drivers. Iron play is my strongest attribute and often have to hit a 4iron to find the fairway just to try to keep my scores down as the slice over compensating hook ruins my scorecard. I’ve been fit for irons and have gone through maybe 5-6 drivers (adjustable etc…) Need some help… and have gotten lessons but just doesn’t seem to click for the woods. Would the fitting experience differ greatly from one of your contacts vs. a “Golf Galaxy” esq fitting ? Really struggling here and considering shorter shaft options as well as another fitting at one of your location to help with control. Does the bendable options for say lie help greatly here on drivers, my irons were bent 2* flat and had a huge impact on impact and direction for my swing. Thanks!

    • Robert
      Thanks so much for stopping by to let me know what your strengths and weaknesses are as you keep[ working to get better. No question, NO QUESTION, you need to be into a much shorter driver and woods to gain improvement and with that you must be properly fit for at least the right loft, face angle, shaft weight, total weight, head weight feel (aka swingweight) and grip size to max your potential for improving your game off the tee and with the woods too. You’re ok with the irons because they are shorter and higher in loft. The driver and wood lengths of the big companies’ clubs sold in all the retail stores and pro shops are realty much too long for I kid you not, over 90% of the golfers out there. You won’t get that type of fit at ANY PLACE that sells the big company clubs cuz they do not have properly trained personnel to know this and even if they did, the companies can’t and won’t build drivers at 43-43.5″ or 3 woods to 42″, 5 woods to 41″. Where do you live, what town? Email me at tww@wishonbgolf.com to let me know and I would be happy to check and see if there is a good independent clubmaker near to your location.


    • Thank Tom, I just sent you a follow up email. much appreciated.

  29. Hi Tom,

    I have picked up one of your 919THI driver heads on eBay. I am ready to build the club. Under the W emblem on the sole of the club, I was expecting a hole to which I could add weight. Upon removal of the oval W emblem, there was no hole in which to add weight. Just wondering if one is supposed to drill a hole to be able to access the weight port?


    • Lee;
      Nope, there is no weight bore under that medallion. In the development of the model, I had wanted to put one there, but in testing the presence of a weight bore there caused the sound of impact to be louder than was acceptable to me. So I canned the idea of a 2nd weight bore there and just left the medallion as a cosmetic feature on the sole. If you drill through there, you will be into the open cavity of the driver head and that won’t be a good thing. There is still the main weight bore located under the tip of the shaft in the bottom of the hosel bore. But of course that is a weight bore used to establish final swingweight during the assembly of the club. So if you wanted to see if that weight bore was empty to allow more weight addition, you would have to remove the shaft.


  30. I’m still playing, (actually just came back to it)the 949 MC driver. What a great head! As accurate and long as anything I’ve hit before or after. I now realize there’s no reason to experiment anymore.

    • GARY

      That’s good to hear ! You know, as I was going through some old boxes the other day, I came across a couple of the 949 drivers and it prompted me to go out and hit a few shots because I do definitely remember that the face of the 949 most definitely felt very hot. It was nice to have that experience again so I have saved these old 949s and set them aside to make sure they don’t get lost.


  31. Hi
    I’ve had my 919 Thi for about 3 years, and suddenly it started making a strange noise, I looked for a crack but couldn’t see any, so I took it in to your agent here in Cape Town,South Africa, the sales man immediately knew where to look and showed me a crack, saying that they have now changed the head design as they had a “few” of these crack, and the heads are also only designed for a certain amount of impacts. Bottom line, no warranty, no product recall, I must buy a new head. I’ve been playing golf for 25 years and never had a head crack, I’m 53 now, and at 1,67 cm, definitely not a Big driver of the ball. He said he will get the manager to call me,the next day that was 2 days ago.

    • OK trying for the 3rd time to find out the common place where these heads may crack [1st two posts must have been erased by moderator]. Perhaps you, as the manufacturer, can just e-mail me directly as to the location to look for crack? Then the info would not show on the website for all to see if that was your concern in erasing my prior attempts to find the common crack location. This would be very helpful to me as I have purchased a head that I think may be cracked, but have no recourse if I cannot find it. Thanks for your consideration.

    • MARK:
      My apologies for the glitch or whatever it has been that has prevented not just yours but a handful of other posted comments and questions to get lost. When Diamond Golf took over our product line and everything connected with it, there have been a few digital glitches that have come with all of the changeover of hosting of everything. My email was a mess for some time as a result of all the changes. But they tell me things are or should be cleared up, so I will hope so. Thanks for your patience to keep asking.

      The most common type of failure of today’s titanium drivers will be a crack on one of the weld seams. Most typical will be cracks around the perimeter of the face or around the toe/back outer edge of the head. 2nd most common will be a crack around the base of the hosel. Pretty much 90% of all titanium driver heads are now manufactured in 4 pieces – the top crown, the sole/sides, the face and the hosel are the 4 pieces. These 4 pieces are all welded together and when you weld titanium, that has to be done in a vacuum to prevent oxidation of the welds which will weaken them completely.

      We pay more for the production of the 919THI Driver heads because we use a special type of tooling dies that enables the parts to be joined through plasma welding and not just the usual TIG wire feed welding process. Plasma welding affords more of a complete and secure fusing of the parts of the head together and the change in dies required to make the parts for plasma welding also keeps the welding seams more consistent in terms of the gap between parts. Still, we do see a crack rate of about 1/10 of 1% where the norm in the industry runs at 1/5 of 1%. The reason is mainly because of a “perfect storm” combination of a defect in the weld at a high stress position on the head coupled with shots being hit all over the face which increases head vibration. In short, we do all we can to keep this at a minimum which it is, but it can and will happen every so often.

      When a welding seam cracks, it’s almost always very evident to the eyes. Hairline cracks that are extremely hard to see are very rare because by the 2nd or 3rd time the head is hit after a hairline happens, the additional impact stress will turn the hairline crack into a very visible break. The first indication of a crack is usually a big drop in ball speed and distance.

      Hope this helps, and let us know how we can help further,

    • I’m please to add that Tom contacted me and has passed it onto Diamond Golf who have also made contact, and they are looking into it for a solution, hopefully replaced. The crack appeared, not where the common places are after reading earlier posts, but there are 2 lines on the sole, running from the rear towards the face, with High Launch printed between them, the crack occurred along the one line between that wording and the 919 THI wording.

    • Thanks Tom for getting back to me on possible crack locations. Upon careful inspection I was able to find the crack at the base of the hosel on the underside.

  32. Tom, my 919 driver head has a rattle. Sounds like something loose moving around inside. Is there any internal weighting in this head that could break loose? Can I gain access to the inside of the head by popping off the oval shaped TW logo on the sole? Is there any rat glue inside this head, so if I were to heat the head up, the loose piece inside might re attach itself?
    Thanks for your response.

    • MARK:

      All drivers today are manufactured from between 2 and 4 pieces which are all welded together to form the finished head. There can be as much as 25″ of welding in a typical 450-460cc volume driver these days. Thus it can be possible for little particles from the welding to break loose over time, after hitting many shots. This is the whole reason that every driver, wood, hybrid is shot with the “sticky glue” (AKA rat glue) that pools and sits on the sole inside the head. It’s purpose is to try to catch these little particles that can break loose over time inside the head from the inside of the welding lines in the head. Every head with welding is injected with this glue.

      It is a fact that over time, the sticky glue is not as sticky or not as able to catch and trap the little particles that can break loose off the welding lines. What some clubmakers do is to use a propane or butane torch to heat the sole directly in the front half of the sole. This softens up the sticky glue so it can have a little better chance of catching the rattle particle. Heat for 20 secs, set the torch down and shake the head. This is how you try to get the particle causing the rattle to catch in the glue. It often can take 5-10 attempts to get this to work, and occasionally it never does. But the only other possible solution is to get one of the “hot melt” glue injection systems to shoot new sticky glue inside the head to catch the rattle. But this involves some practice to learn how to do it right.


  33. Tom if I had one of your 919thi drivers at 8.5 degrees loft then had you bend the hosel so the club is now 2 degrees closed, what would the effective loft become if I manually squared the club face?

    • Kourt
      With a driver, when you sole the head to get the face angle and then rotate it back to square, for each degree you rotate the face angle you get a loft change of 0.6*. So if you start with 8.5* loft at 2* closed and turn the face to 0*, the loft now is 9.7*.

  34. Tom if I choke up 2 inches on my driver shaft is that effectively the same as cutting 2 inches off the shaft? Sounds like a dumb question, I know!

    • Butch

      Well, it is and it isn’t. But that’s a long technically related diatribe I am sure you do not wish to hear. Bottom line is that gripping down on any club will make it easier to control.


  35. Another thank you, Tom. Since I have begun to hit the 949 MC driver lately, I now am using the 919 THI F/D on some short par 4s and very long par 3s. In addition, I now am learning to use it on occasion from the fairway. This combination of clubs is such a huge addition to my game. And these clubs are so much fun to hit!

    • Leigh

      Really, the thanks are to you – first for having the faith and confidence in what we do in our equipment design work, second for bringing up what really is a BIG reason I have fun doing what I do . . . your comment that hitting the clubs are FUN !!!! That’s why we play this game so it is GREAT to hear the clubs are having a little bit of a role in your having fun !


  36. Tom,
    Recently I have been using your 525fd 13* for more accuracy off the tee. Great club, nice boring trajectory and good distance. Now I am interested in trying one of your 919thi driver heads. What is the trajectory like with the 919? I am wondering whether to buy a 9* or an 11* head. I would like the trajectory to be similar to the 525fd. I have played 10-10.5* drivers for years and the ball flight is always too high [higher than the 525fd] and I lose distance because of it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

    • Thanks Mark, appreciate hearing that you like the performance of the clubhead. Please understand that it is just not possible to advise you on what loft you need without us being able to be there in person to see you hit shots, see your launch angle, see the shot shape, WITH A DRIVER OF KNOWN LOFT and for the EXACT POSITION OF IMPACT ON THE FACE. This is and shall always be the reason proper fitting needs to be done in person by someone of a high level of experience and knowledge in the field. I can tell you that over the years of the 919THI, people have never said it was a high or a low ball hitting clubhead. But then one man’s high flight with a clubhead is another golfer’s low flight because of differences in clubhead speed, angle of attack, point of impact on the face, shaft, etc.

      Which is all me saying that in truth, to get what you want, you really need to see if there is a good fitter in your area with whom you can work to be properly fit for the loft, and for all the other key elements on the driver – length, lie, face angle, shaft weight, shaft flex, shaft bend profile, total weight, swingweight and grip. If you respond to contact@wishongolf.com with the name of your town/city, we would be glad to look to see if there is a good clubfitter we might recommend for you to meet with. But if not, then if you say you get a boring trajectory with the 13* on the FD, and if that loft is truly 13 on that head (ALL heads made by EVERY company have an occasional +/- tolerance for every spec) then just as a starting comment it sounds if you went with a 9*, that could be too low. But really, if you truly want this right, go work with a good fitter, and we’ll try to help you find one.


  37. I put my driver away at age 16. I am now 62. In the last year I have been hitting both your 919 F/D and 525 F/D of the tee. Recently I tried my son’s Taylormade driver and found I could now – after much work on my swing- hit a modern big driver after all. So down to my basement I went and pulled out a Wishon 949 MC high launch with Draw Bias I had bought on Ebay a year or two ago. I am learning to hit it better and better and — believe it or not- have increased my distance of the tee by 20-30 yards over my previous results with your F/Ds
    The point is the 949 MC is blowing me away, in terms of distance AND dispersion.
    My question to you is this: Does the 919 THI offer even better performance, or is the distinction mostly in terms of allowing the options of loft and angle for the clubfitting process. I still have pretty good swing speed, at least that is what my younger partners say! I guess I am around 100 mph or so with the driver.
    I love your clubs, Tom. I have 7 woods (2 of the F/Ds, 2 515 3 woods, 2 929 4 woods, a 525 grt 5 wood. And of course the 949 MC driver of yours and love them all ( I did buy a set of 730s and then sell them to a slow swinger)
    Thank you for all of your work, including in the area of simple education regarding golf club design. It is all so helpful.

    Leigh Hogan

    • A follow up to clarify: I really like the F/Ds. They also improved my distance and dispersion over the 515 3 wood I was using off the tee.
      I would say the 3 wood gave me 230ish max with wide dispersion. F/Ds gave me 240+ max with less dispersion. 949MC high launch now giving me 260+ with amazing consistency and minimal dispersion. I have a variety of shafts on these. I have only begun to investigate the shaft factor.

    • LEIGH
      IN all honesty, it’s pretty tough to beat the distance and performance of the older 949MC drivers. The shape was a little bit more pear shaped than what some golfers tend to prefer these days, but the face and ball speed performance was as good as can be done, ever. The one thing the 919THI drivers have that the 949 doesn’t is the bendable hosel to allow fitting golfers for ANY combination of face angle and lie angle they need for their swing. And with the 919 also available in lofts from 8.5 to 16 through our Hand select program, that means no other driver can offer golfers a combination of lofts from 8.5 to 16 WITH face angle from 4 open to 4 closed AND lie from 4 up to 4 flat – all existing in the same head. But if the launch angle and direction of the 949 you brought back to life is good for you, then I take the attitude of “if it isn’t broken, don’t try to fix it.”

      Thanks so much for your support and your kind comments !!


  38. Tom,

    32 years old. Not as strong as I use to be when i still played competitive golf. I have always been a long hitter. I was given the 919 driver from a friend. I changed the shaft to the ACCRA CS1 X-flex. Tipped it another inch and also shorten it some more. Overall length is 43.5″. Driving average has shot up to an average of 300 meters. And my accuracy has been deadly. I have always been open with different drivers, but you surely do make the best driver ever. The combination of that driver and the shaft is remarkable. I have my eyes set on the 919F/D 14′. Will be my next purchase. Can’t wait. Well done on making the best driver in the world.

  39. Hi Tom,

    I couldn’t find my original comment, but I wrote to you here on your website in late winter or early spring for advice on a driver to help me regain some of my distance. I’m
    a 70 year old lifelong golfer, play to a 9 HCP, and told you I had been losing distance.
    You advised me to go to a 12 or 13 degree driver with a senior shaft. I ordered a 919 from you, and when it arrived I was pleasantly surprised to see on the spec sheet that
    you had picked it and checked the specs yourself! Anyway, I built the driver and have
    been using it with so-so results. But something still seemed to be lacking…..last week
    I installed a different shaft with a slightly lower kick point and a little more torque. I’ve
    played twice with the new shaft, and WOW!….what a difference! Today I measured two
    drives in the 225 yard range, and one at 240!!! Thanks for the clubfitting advice and also for making your great products. This is my second Wishon driver, and I plan to
    keep on using your designs. (BTW, I was outhitting a younger friend of mine who just
    bought a Taylormade M-1 for a heckuva lot more money than it cost me to build mine!!)

  40. Hey Tom I recently picked up a 919 with your Black 65 stiff shaft. No I was not fitted and I should have been BUT I got very lucky and the combo just works great for me! Amazingly the driver was built at 44 inches and I normally play mine at 45 or 45.5 inches. I was skeptical going in but what I have found on my home course is that this combo defies me to miss a fairway! I did not miss one today. And my distance is on par or at worst 1 yd or so behind my big name driver that begins with C and has an Alpha in its name. I’ll trade that 3 or 4 ft any day to be in the middle of the fairway. I vacant tell you how I pressed I am,with your equipment! And yes I love my 575 MC

    • MIKE
      we’re so pleased to hear that you took what amounted to a bit of a “leap of faith” to be fit with a shorter driver built from one of our custom designs – and that it is working just like it’s supposed to !!We keep trying to get the word out that this matter of 45-46″ drivers from the big companies is doing no one any favors, but it sure is nice to hear another experience of how true that can be. Thanks so much and the very best to you in this great game,

  41. Hi Tom

    The website (driver specs sheet) says the face of the 919THI is SP700, but your video says it is 6-4 Titanium. Which is right?

    Thanks, Rob.

    • Ooh, glad you caught that and brought it to our attention. Spring 2014 we made a change from SP 700 to 6/4 because I just found that it wasn’t necessary anymore to use the SP alloy and get the same COR, same off center hit performance. But since the 919 had been in the product line for so long and from its original days done with the SP alloy for the face, we just plain missed it on changing that website specs sheet. We’ll get that done asap and thanks again for letting us know,

  42. Tom,

    I am 48 yrs old and have played this incredible sport for 42 yrs carrying a 3.5 index, while working in the industry for over 20 yrs now.
    I am quite the tinkerer when it comes to my golf equipment and have played or tried everything out there from the OEM’s for a LONG time. I’m happy to say that I have finally found everything I’ve been looking for in golf equipment from one company…Wishon Golf! The quality, craftsmanship and technical knowhow is second to none.
    I’ve been blessed to work with fitter Ken Collins from Manchester NH. He’s helped me gain much more insight to club design than I could have imagined and is building me a Wishon 919Thi 9* driver as we speak. I put the 919 up against eveything I own and kinda knew what would transpire from the fitting but didn’t expect it to be so conclusive. Eveything from smash factor, carry, spin rate and dispersion was so much better with the 919 it was crazy. I had Ken build me a 949MC 16.5* fairway wood over a yr ago and find it to be an incredibly dependable “go-to” club. Last summer I was also hitting the 560mc irons and was amazed that with the right shaft, they were just as long as my current set of irons with jacked up lofts even though the 560’s have more traditional loft settings. I’ll probably be having Ken build a set of the 560’s for me but would like to hit the new 565’s first.
    I’d like to see the folks possibly reading this comment start to look into Wishon Golf and stop believing the mktg hype from the OEM’s on longer distances with new technologies discovered (remember these companies have to keep turning over a profit for shareholders year in and year out) having one believe their equipment will be their answer. It’s vital to find a very good fitter and get fitted for all your golf club needs.
    Now I have to to go because I have to sell a set of Mizuno MP 25’s, a Ping G30 LS Tech driver with a AD di 6S shaft, and a TM M1 430 driver.
    Tom, keep up the incredible work with Wishon Golf!


  43. Tom,
    I have ordered an 11* driver in LH.
    The club fitter mentioned that they would bend the loft to 10*

    I see in an earlier post you say “You do NOT bend for loft change in a driver” – are you suggesting that the fitter should not bend it for me?

    My current driver is a very old Srixon with 9.5*.
    I’m currently all over the place with it.
    Previous fitter thought 11* too much loft for me. As i’ve got older my swing speed has dropped – probably around 95 now.

    Appreciate your thoughts…

    • DUNCAN
      The ONLY way a bend of the hosel can result in a change in loft is if the golfer NEVER SOLES THE DRIVER AFTER THE BEND and he always trains himself to hover the driver a little off the ground, holding it so the face is always dead square behind the ball. Always turning the club after a bend to hold the club at a 0 face angle will allow a bend of the hosel in a direction perpendicular to the face to change loft. At TWGT we always believe in soling the driver and woods in the address position so that the head can demonstrate its loft AND its face angle. If the golfer never really has a directional problem and if the golfer is comfortable turning the face square and holding the club that way, hovering it off the ground, then fine – you can do that to make the face angle bend turn into a loft bend.

      But if the golfer does need a custom face angle to reduce a draw/hook/fade/slice, then the head has to be soled in the address position so the face angle can show up and be a viable fitting spec to help the golfer.


  44. Hi Tom,

    Just to say what a great driver. I got fitted by André le Thaon from GolfnSwing. To make a long story short I was soooooo desperate to cure my Slice (20-30 yards right). The first two shots with my new driver were dead straight same day I took 1 lesson +2 weeks training and my slice was gone and did not come back. I am more and more on the fairway and the balls are always flying straight. Keep going.

    • Thank you Michael for sharing your fitting experience with us!!! Absolutely for sure the best thing you did was to find Andre and to decide to let him take care of your fitting needs !! He is without question one of the very best and most knowledgeable clubfitters in the whole world, and I am not exaggerating when I say that. Thank you and keep having fun playing this great game !!


    • Thanks Tom.
      I do ground my driver at address. So is a concern.
      How much impact would loft make if I get them to leave it at 11*?
      That is a 1.5* change from where I am now.

    • DUNCAN

      For each 1* loft is increased, for the same point of impact the launch angle increases by 0.8*. So for a 1.5* loft change that would equate to a difference of about 1.2* .


  45. After hitting a Par 4 hole in one this past year I have been getting clubs from other companies to try. After cracking the face on 3 other drivers that I care not to name the company caused me to loose confidence in those products. Robin East of Lexington Park, Maryland introduced me to the new Wishon 919 Driver. I was averaging about 295 on my drives but now I am 318 or better and the ball flight is fantastic. I am now researching the irons after hitting the ones Mr. East let me hit. The attention to detail and craftsmanship is greatly appreciated. Thanks

  46. Hi Tom, was hoping to get your input on a 919 driver that I recently got fitted for. He took a 9 degree and bent it up to 10 degrees to get me the proper launch angles, the provided reason being that starting with the 9 degree driver head would reduce side spin. This runs contrary to my understanding that higher lofts provide more backspin and less side spin, relative to their lower lofted counterparts. (Note: I am unfortunately experiencing some nasty slices now) Would it have been more proper to start at a higher loft (e.g., 11 or 13 degrees) and bend down instead?
    Appreciate any thoughts you may have. Thanks! -Allen

    • ALLEN

      Sorry for the confusion. Rarely do all the clubmakers know all the technical facts and truths about club performance because there is so much bad information circulating out there on line, much of which comes from a marketing taint, and some from people who like to talk and don’t know what they are talking about. First off, there is no such thing as side spin on a shot. Backspin can only exist in one axis of rotation. When a golfer makes a mistake in his swing path + face angle delivery in a shot, the backspin rotation axis is tilted, which is what causes the slice or hook. in a perfectly straight shot, the backspin axis is purely horizontal so the spin direction is straight up and down, not tilted. In addition, this whole matter of thinking that a higher or lower loft can change sidespin to a point of offering more control or less misdirection on a shot is ludicrous. What causes a slice or hook has nothing to do with what loft is on the head – it’s caused by the swing path and face angle being varying degrees away from square. The difference in misdirection between 1 or even 2 degrees of loft on a driver is insignificant and it takes the real importance of loft away from where it needs to be in a fitting – loft has to be fit first and foremost to the golfer’s clubhead speed + their angle of attack so as to achieve their best launch angle for their best combination of carry + angle of descent to encourage decent roll after landing for the most total distance. If the golfer has a misdirection problem with the driver, the fitting solution to that is a different face angle to offset how much they deliver the face open or closed, to then reduce the hook or slice tendency enough to keep the ball more in play.

      Plus one other thing while I am at it. You do NOT bend for loft change in a driver or fairway wood, at least not in my way of designing clubs. You can do this in an iron ONLY because all golfers are taught to hold the face of an iron always square to the target line when they set up for an iron shot. I come from the design school in which drivers, woods and hybrids with their much wider soles are always to be SOLED ON THE GROUND in the address position. Doing that allows FACE ANGLE to exist as a specification on the driver/wood/hybrid as a means to reduce a misdirection tendency. if you bend the hosel of a driver/wood/hybrid to change loft, the ONLY way you can get that loft change is if you always, always HOLD THE CLUB WITH THE FACE SQUARE which means you cannot sole the clubhead to rest on its sole on the ground. if the golfer is comfortable with hovering the wood head a little off the ground to always hold it square to the ball, then fine, you can bend a hosel of a wood to change loft. But in doing this, you eliminate face angle as ever being a fitting element to reduce a misdirection tendency. So for us, when we deliver the 919 driver to a clubmaker with a different loft, we do that by hand select measuring the loft in the correct SOLED position in our gauges. Doing that also allows us to set the face angle and the lie angle to whatever the golfer needs in his fitting, so that all three specs of loft + face angle + lie angle can exist each on its own on the same head. Hope this helps,


  47. Hi Tom,

    What do you think about the new Taylor Made M1 driver?

    They claim the graphite composite crown allows them to position weight differently and makes the club more aerodynamic (higher clubhead speed) and that the movable weight technology forward dials in the launch and spin characteristics better for the player.

    What are your thoughts on this and do you feel the Wishon 919 THI will still outperform it?

    • BRIAN

      This is just a re visit to driver head design construction that first showed up in the industry in 2004, married to a sliding weight technology that Mizuno first invented in the mid 2000s. It’s not new. It just combines two older technologies together on the same head. The claims for aerodynamic shapes on metal wood heads these days from every company that offers one are overblown and embellished greatly with borderline false marketing claims. They profess to show that when the face is toward the target there is less drag on the head so it can move faster through the air.

      Two problems with that claim – first, a clubhead never gets to this position of face pointing straight forward until the last hundredths of a second before impact with the ball. All during the downswing the head is rotating around and not traveling through the air with the face pointing directly at the air flow. As the head is accelerating to its maximum speed, it is actually the rounded heel of the head that is pushing through the air, not the flatter broad face. This is a very curved surface that has very little drag. So by the time the face is rotated all the way around to be facing the air flow, this is so, so short of a period of time before the face hits the ball that the face cannot create drag to slow the head down.

      Second, even if golfers swung the driver so the face was pushing against the flow of air for the whole swing, the size of the face is not even close to being large enough to create enough drag to affect clubhead speed. If you are talking about a semi truck trailer driving through a windstorm, yes, the drag on that is very high and will affect speed because you are talking about a huge surface area all being presented to the air flow constantly over a long period of time. Not that way with a driver head with a face that is roughly 2″ by 3″ in dimension.

      There are times I wish our country had strict false/misleading advertising laws as they do in other countries. This matter of the claims about aerodynamic shape vs clubhead speed would be one that could be challenged because it just does not do what these companies infer it does for speed enhancement of the club.

      The proof of the 919THi being as good as it is compared to ANY other driver is to hit the club on any higher quality launch monitor that can measure the smash factor (ball speed divided by clubhead speed). Hit the 919 on center and note the smash factor. then hit any other driver on center and note its smash factor. I will bet you 19 times out of 20, the 919 will show a higher smash factor than any other driver for the same on center hit impact position. Smash factor is a valid measurement of the COR of the head, and a valid measurement for distance potential of a head. With a conforming head, the smash factor as measured by an ACCURATE launch monitor cannot be higher than 1.50. With the 919 because of our design and because of our production QC efforts, over the production of all 919 heads, you will see the smash factor range between 1,47 to 1.50. With all other drivers you will see that be between 1.39 and 1.45 because in mass production they can’t control the COR as well as we can for our smaller production.

      Then when you add on the bendable hosel of our 919 in its different loft model versions, you can also offer a golfer any loft from 8 to 16, with any face angle from 4 open to 4 closed with any lie angle from 4 up to 4 flat – ALL THREE SPECS existing on the same head. NO other driver can even come close to that. None.

      Marketing is very strong and powerful in its effect on golfers. Slam the same message to a golfer over and over in a slick format and they will believe it. But there is no question, NOT EVEN CLOSE, that the 919 is the best driver overall in the world.

  48. Hi Tom, from Valencia -Spain-, 6 years playing golf, hcp4, 50years ……
    always with big problems and desperate with the drive, i´ve tried all kinds of it and have bought too many of the typical trademarks…. undoubtedly the greatest discovery was your 919, the best drive I’ve ever played; more distance, very straight, is hard to miss fairway, absolutely incredible. He has given me all the confidence I needed with this club. Fitted by Mic Rod with an Accra fx100 series shaft (fx160-M2).
    All my respects and gratitude for you and a great !!THANK YOU¡¡.

    Luis Semper

  49. Is the 919thi driver that weight 202g able to custom made for lady with a lighter shaft? For a person who drive about 180 yards that looking for more forgiveness off centre hit.


      Yes for sure. Actually it is a really interesting thing about head design and fitting for women vs men golfers. To get the much lighter swingweight that most average women golfers prefer at women’s lengths, and with the typically lighter weight shafts for women, the weight of the heads actually has to be heavier, not lighter ! here’s an example – if you have a ladies 43″ length with a 55g shaft and 46g grip, to get to a C6 swingweight the head weight has to be 208g. For a men’s 44″ length with a 65g shaft and 50g grip, to get to a D1 swingweight the headweight has to be 206 g. so the 202g headweight of the 919THI driver works fine for both men or women.


  50. Thanks Tom. Appreciate the thorough response. Don’t have any real reason to change, but my regular 4 ball partners are always changing something out – so you wonder. I used to be the same way, but no real desire since i had these built. i guess i can thank you for saving me a grand every year on new clubs!

    • MIKE
      I hear you when you talk about golfers who get the itch to keep buying something new. It’s not that different of a motivation when I start thinking of designing something new !!

      TOM :>)

  51. Hi Tom, I have been playing your clubs for the last 4 years. full bag, irons, hybrids and driver. play the 919 driver. i am just wondering if the technology ever changes on the head that makes it worth changing out – or is it more seeing if age might change the shaft, etc…when i was fit by tim mosel in 2012 — we went with an 11 degree closed and an r flex – can’t remember exact shaft. swing speed was 93 at the time – shaft length 44..

    in that continuing quest for improvement — wonder if it is worth a look. does the tech change or is it more that my own specs might have changed…

    thanks for any advice. Mike Whitt

    • Thanks very much Mike for your interest and your support ! We appreciate that very much.

      if anyone wants proof of my level of honesty in talking about golf equipment and specifically my designs, they should read this response I will offer to you to answer your question! HA! Plain and simple, no, there won’t be a better driver clubhead design than the 919 – between the variable thickness face it has with the face thickness tolerance monitoring we have done on the head to ensure the avg production COR is as high as it can be under the limit, it’s just not possible for anyone to make a driver head ever again that could be better for COR or off center hit forgiveness.

      Now in terms of the FIT, since you worked with Tim, you had to end up with the best fit possible because Tim is without question one of the best on the planet in clubfitting analysis. Since shafts do NOT wear out with age as long as they are not cracked or otherwise physically damaged, that brings it down to you and your swing characteristics. On that, as long as your clubhead speed is within 5mph of being what it was when you were fit, and as long as you have not had major changes in your swing path, angle of attack, swing tempo/transition force, or point of release, Tim’s fit for you 4 yrs ago should be as good today as it was then.

      But at the same time, I realize as one of the world’s consummate nuts about equipment that those of us like that can get “itchy” as time goes on about our sticks ! Heck, even I like to switch out things here and there. but when I do I know that from the head’s standpoint, as long as I stay within like for like on the face design and MOI, I’m not going to get any better performance than what I had. Different look, different feel sometimes, maybe a little different shot shape, different mental approach – sure, these things can come with a change in equipment even tho the overall major aspects of the performance won’t really change.

      Having been deeply involved in head design technology for 30 yrs now, and having had the chance from working in this side of the industry to have designed in every possible, conceivable form of production with every possible area of head materials, I know without a doubt that better performance in terms of ball speed, off center forgiveness is not possible in any future head designs for several reasons. One, the USGA Rules now handcuff us from going farther in COR/CT and ball speed. Two, the past 20 yrs of a new design every 6 to 12 months has used up all the head design technologies that could possibly improve these areas of ball speed or off center hit performance.

      And beyond those performance aspects, there is nothing more a clubhead can offer other than a difference in feel or shot shape. Beyond that, it is the FIT – how well the club’s specs match the golfer’s unique combination of size, strength, athletic ability and swing characteristics. At the same time, never wanting to unleash a downpour on the parade, I too like to mess around with different designs as I create them and go into testing with them and sometimes one of them stays in my bag just because I like it for whatever other reasons compared to what it replaced.

      Hope this helps, sorry for the rambling, and the very best to you in this great game,

  52. I am an 83 year old duffer that needs 10-15 more yards on my drives. I play a 58 par 3, it has 6 165 yds. Holes. My drives are generally 140-150 . I use good clubs (R15 & Cleavland Black CG ) My swing speed is 70-75.
    Today Christmas Day I have spent considerable time learning about your 919 driver. There is a fitter near by (southy). I will contac him next week and enquirer about fitting me with your driver. I want as light overall weight as possibility. My CG has a 39grm shaft, it would be nice to stay in that range.
    What I learned today is that a shorter shaft may be better than longer.
    If you have any advice to offer, please do.
    Happy New Year
    Bob Hugges
    Sarasota Fl


    • BOB:
      Thanks very much for your interest in our company and our designs. We appreciate that very much. It is a definite fact that distance is far, far more a product of clubhead speed than from the design of the head itself. And it is a fact of life that as we age, we do lose clubhead speed no matter what. I am 65 now myself and in the past two years I have seen my own driver speed drop by 6 mph, even though I work out and stay in shape as much as I can. And for each 1mph we lose in our clubhead speed we lose 3 yards of driver distance. But you are right to focus on a very light shaft weight to maximize your ability to hit the driver and I can assure you that the mfg controls we have on the 919THI driver heads ensures that the COR of the heads do end up being on average as close to the USGA limit in the rules as is humanly possible.

      Whether a shorter length can result in more distance depends on one thing – whether the golfer is hitting the ball off center much of the time with his longer length driver. Missing the center of the face loses a good bit of distance so if you have been hitting the majority of your drives off center with your current driver, it is possible that being fit into a shorter length driver will improve on center hit frequency and from that offer a little more distance overall on average. A HUGE one in driver fitting is to use more loft on the driver as our clubhead speed drops. Based on what you say about your 70-75 mph speed, you should be using a driver loft of not less than 14* and likely in the area of 15-16* to maximize your launch angle into the most distance for your speed.

      But working with Mr Southy in your fitting should tell you a lot about what is possible for you in terms of fitting vs distance. Thanks again for your interest for sure, and the very best to you in this great game !

  53. HI Tom I don’t know if you remember me I ask you a few years back if your drivers were as good as OEM drivers. And you said yes with a 2 page letter why. Well Iam here to tell you are right while on vacation is Sebring Fla. ran across the THE GOLF SHOPPE and met David Thompson . I told him I was in search for a new driver again. He put me on the flight scope and the fun began. I took my 5 OEM drivers taylor made,callaway,adams,cleveland,cobra plus 4 more drivers David had a his shop. ALL against the 919thi driver we turn the screen off the monitor and started hitting balls after this great test, the 919thi driver beat everything hands down. So just to let you know Tom I have a new 919thi driver coming with 10 degree loft and .5 closed . THANK YOU DAN

    • Thanks so much Dan for coming to our site and sharing your experience with us. As you can imagine that is music to our ears to get to hear that once again the 919 wins out in a head to head competition against the OEMs. We’re so pleased this worked out for you and we wish you the very best in this great game!

      Thanks for the support !

  54. hi tom i placed my first order on monday, received products on tuesday, assembled driver on wednesday, played on thursday with no time to warm up and hit 12 of 14 fairways (for the first time hitting it where i aimed it) . I will promote the 919 driver for the quality product that it is. i will have feedback on the left handed version in one weeks time. thank you for providing quality clubheads and quality service.

    • DAVE:

      Thanks so much for taking the time to come to our site and to share your experiences with your first work with our designs. We’re really glad that the 919 is doing its thing for you and that you are pleased with the results !! Thanks so much for your support and the very best to you in this great game and in this great craft of custom clubmaking !!


  55. Hi Tom,

    The secret is finally out!


    You’ve been telling the world for years and now they are catching on to the truth.
    I am 6’2″ and play a 43″ driver along with a 41″ 919 F/D and suffer no reduction in distance and improved control.
    Your comments regarding “if you want to hit it longer hit it closer to the sweet spot” are so true.
    Unfortunately the more people that try this the less advantage the enlightened have over the un-enlightened

    • PETER

      I did have to laugh at your final comment !! That’s pretty good! At any rate, it is nice to see more publicity about this very important part of fitting technology that we have been talking about and preaching for 15 yrs now and which many clubmakers have been pursuing in their work for golfers for a very long time as well !!


  56. It took me quite a long time to get into the grove with this driver, I also have a Big Bertha Alpha. The face on the BB Alpha feels better than the 919 but the shaft does not , it is too light for me. The 919 is hitting so many fairways that the Alpha cannot get back into my bag. I do love the ability to adjust the loft of the Alpha but I think Tom’s argument is that the Alhpa is not a strong club.

    Tom did a custom fit for me across the internet and he did a very nice job. Still need to check the loft on the 919 when I it back to Ireland this summer (Im in Africa no club fitters here). But Toms clubs have bettered my Mizuno irons, Callaway woods, Taylor made SLDR hybrid and Cleveland Wedges!!! Fine work.

  57. Tom,

    I am having a 919thi High Launch built for me with an S2S Black 85 at 3 wood length, as the course I play has a lot of dog legs and narrow fairways. So distance over accuracy. My question is, as the head has a 1 degree hook bias, how do I line up to the target? Do I just let the driver head sit on the ground and go to it’s natural weighted position or do I line up the face perpendicular to my intended target.

    Thanks in advance,


    • RUSS

      In all cases of using a closed face angle driver or wood head, the head is to be soled to rest on its sole in the address position behind the ball so that the closed face will point slightly to the left of the target line as it is designed. Do not rotate the face to make the face appear square to the target line in the address position.

      Hope this helps, and we hope the driver performs as you wish !

  58. Thanks, Tom. I am a big fan of your knowledge and equipment. I will figure it out.

  59. Tom, I have been using your 919 driver for some time now and at first was using a Harrison Mugen Black shaft that worked very well. Recently I changed to your shafts, going through White, Red and Black, settling on Black. I have sold some drivers to my friends based on them observing the performance of my driver. Recently, I won a Ping G30 LS-Tech 9 degree driver in a tournament and, frankly, I hit the Ping far by where the 919 was. I am 70, a 7 handicap (although I shoot 74-76 often) with a 95 mph swing speed and a hard swing. Is Ping’s new technology that much better, or ???? Thanks, Kenny

    • Kenny

      No, not at all. When it comes to distance with a driver for on center hits, there are only TWO THINGS that determine that for any golfer. One, the COR of the face of the driver. TWO, which is by far the most significant, how well the loft, length, shaft, total weight, swingweight, grip size is fit to the golfer’s clubhead speed, angle of attack and swing characteristics to achieve his best launch angle and on center hit performance. Period, that is it.

      There is nothing in a driver head design other than the COR of the face that will bring about maximum distance for on center hits. Anyohe who tells you otherwise truly does not know the technology of head design. And every company has been at the limit of the USGA’s rule for the COR/CT of the face of a clubhead for several years now. Yes, it is possible due to +/- tolerances in the face thickness of the head through production for one head to have a slightly higher COR than another. But we control that better on our 919 production than any other company I believe because we do pay our factory more per head to perform more face thickness checks through production to ensure our +/- tolerance for face thickness is smaller than what all the other factories offer to their golf company customers.

      Which leaves the other factor, the one that is more important – how well all the specs on the driver that determine how well the club is FIT to the golfer are identified to be absolutely right for the golfer and his swing characteristics. Whenever a golfer picks up any club and hits it better in some ways than one he presently has, 99.99% of the time the reason is because the overall fitting specs of that other club are better matched and fit to the golfer and his swing characteristics. Might be the loft is better fit, might be the length, might be the shaft is a better fit, might be the total weight and/or swing weight, and might even be related to the grip size being a better fit too.

      But there is no magic left in head design with regard to distance for on center hits. All the good companies, us included, are at the limit of what we can do with head design technology to increase distance for on center hits. We certainly can identify elements to make the OFF center hits better, but for on center hits, we are all at the absolute limit because of the limit on face COR in the rules. Which means what I said – something in that Ping driver does fit you better than the full complement of fitting specs in the 919 to explain why you hit that driver longer.

      Besides, if you happened to scan through the hundreds of comments about the 919 that some have chosen to post, you’ll find many, many comments saying that the golfer hit the 919 longer, better than the OEM driver they used to play. And when I read or hear these, I know for sure it was because the FIT of the 919 was somehow done better for the golfer than what he had previously.

      One last thing to prove this to you. Take that Ping driver and take the 919 and find a place that has a good launch monitor such as a TrackMan, FlightScope, GC2. Hit shots with both drivers and for those shots you know you hit on center, look at the smash factor out put for the shot. Smash factor being the ball speed divided by the clubhead speed. I am willing to bet that you will see the smash factor of the 919 either be the same as for the Ping or a little higher. Maximum possible smash factor anyone can achieve with a driver for an on center hit is 1.49-1.50. If the smash factor is lower for the on center hit, that means the COR is lower than the maximum allowed 0.830. If the smash factor is higher, 99% of the time it means the launch monitor made a mistake in reading either the head speed or ball speed. 1% of the time it means you have a driver with a COR higher than allowed in the rules.

      If you see the smash factor of the Ping to be the same as the 919, that right there tells you for sure that the reason you hit the Ping longer is because something in the fitting specs of the Ping does fit you and your swing better than those specs in the 919.

      Hope this helps,

  60. Tom,

    I had the pleasure of finding your web page and thought about your approach with golf clubs. I decided to get fitted and buy a new club; I found a person that your web page recommended here in Oregon. The person that I dealt with was Dan Armstrong, Dan did an excellent job working with me and helped me find the right driver – the 919THI – it is a wonderful club, I also purchased a 7 wood.

    I just wanted to let you know that I will be working with Dan a little at a time to complete a new set of clubs and that Dan was the best to work with – I couldn’t be happier.

    • Thanks so much for taking your time to let us know how well your fitting experience went with Dan. Dan is very good, we’ve known him for some time in the custom clubfitting business and we know him to be a true professional in the field with a whole lot of happy golfers who have chosen to work with him for their fitting needs. It’s great you found him and chose to work with him because clubmakers like Dan far outpace what any of the people selling clubs in big box stores or pro shops can do for golfers to help them enjoy the game more.

      Best wishes to you in this great game!

  61. Tom,
    Once again, thanks for your time, patience and willingness to help.



  62. Tom,
    A couple more quick questions, and then I will leave you alone. First, looking at the S2S Black Shafts… is see 85 gram, but not 65 gram… am I just missing it? Also, how do you feel about my lofting up from the 9* t0 an 11*? Do you feel this is a good move? Obviously, I am trying to get more carry out of my tee shots… Thanks again. Brian

    • BRIAN
      The S2S Black for woods are most definitely available in the 65g version in both the R and S flexes. it is only the X flex version that is available only in the 85g. As to the loft matter, because this situation with the adj hosel device means it is very difficult to know precisely what loft is on the head in the address position, let’s take a different tack on this. According to Trackman’s research which is very sound. the optimum launch angle for maximum CARRY distance for a 102mph speed with a +5* angle of attack will be 15*. For 102mph with a +2.5* angle of attack it would be 13.5*. The optimum launch angle for maximum TOTAL distance (combination of a little lower carry to get a little more roll), for a 102mph speed with a +5* angle of attack will be 12.5*. For 102mph with a +2.5* angle of attack it would be 11.25*.

      So with this info, you could get on a good launch monitor, mess with the settings on the adj hosel device, hit shots and see what setting with your address position would result in what launch angle. That would get the job done.


  63. Tom,
    Man it’s great to back here! Thanks for your time. One last question if I might…would you recommend lofting up to say 11*? Or sticking in the 9.5* or 10*? Thanks once again for your input. Bri

  64. Tom,
    Wow…I thought I had some good info for ya! I guess not! As far as your answers…I would characterize my swing as a smooth, gradual increase to impact. I would say my wrist cock unhinged “later”…. I hope! I don’t have a specific taste in shafts… Sorry that I am not much help. If you want more light reading I would be happy to email my latest PDF to you… The 6.5 might have been slightly manipulated, as I was trying to increase my vertical launch… Sorry… Feel like I am confusing the issue rather than helping…

    Thanks, Bri

    • Brian
      Enough years of studying the relationship of the swing to the bending of the shaft and you learn that clubhead speed is only one small part of what you need to know to identify possible shafts that could perform and feel decent for a golfer. And no, when we do fitting in person or teach clubfitters, there is even more detail that can go into the analysis, so do not feel that you are confusing the issue. The clubhead speed only gives you a basic idea of the force on the shaft. The transition and tempo tell you more about how much bending action the golfer is putting on the shaft, while the release point dictates what is happening to the tip section of the shaft. from this, my recommendation among our shafts would be the S2S Black 65 S flex with perhaps 1/2″ tip trim in the driver. The +1/2″ tip is because you are 103 but not with a super strong transition move, and the Black’s firm tip section should match to your later release.

  65. Hey Tom, I have been a long time member, but have not purchased anything lately. I am intrigued with the 919THI all Black, and would like to purchase one. I was wondering what shaft you might recommend, given that my latest flightscope numbers are approximately 240 yards of carry, with an average swingspeed of 103, with an average spin rate of 3041. My average AOA into the ball is 6.5, and my vertical launch is 11.5 average. These were just done today btw. I am currently hitting a TM SLDR, with 9.5 degrees of loft, with it in the “lower” setting. I am thinking I might want to “loft up” a bit, and would like to hear your input on that as well. Thanks, and it’s great to be back. Best, Brian

    • Brian
      can you help me out with a little more info about your swing so I can do a better job in the shaft recommendation? Would you characterize your transition move to start the downswing as being smooth, very gradual acceleration, forceful/aggressive as if you really start to pour on the coals from the top, or in between? for your overall tempo are you smooth and rhythmic, faster/quicker/aggressive or in between? And for your release, do you unhinge the wrist cock angle early, midway, later or very late in the downswing? And do you have any specific shaft feel preferences that you have acquired over the years such as you prefer a firmer feel or more of a kicking feel or what?

      I’m sorry but it is really tough to know exactly what the loft is on this SLDR when you address the ball to result in an 11.5 launch angle with a 6.5 angle of attack. Are you totally SURE that the angle of attack is really as much as 6.5* upward? Because that is VERY dramatically upward for an A of A and I bet in all my years of fitting research I have never actually seen a golfer with that much of an upswing on the ball with the driver. for the SLDR, when you address the ball are you holding the face as square to the target line as you can or are you soling the driver, letting it rest and sit on its sole in the address position? This is a critical thing to know when trying to assess adjustable hosel drivers to try to ascertain just what the loft really is at address.


  66. Thank you Tom! I love the look of the new black 919, I will be ordering one this spring. I should be able to work with an 8*, especially early in the season when my swing isn’t up to full speed. I would love to have one in the bag.

    • Thanks Darrin! They’re due to arrive here next week and I am pretty sure the inventory is enough that I can do a hand select to find one with an 8* loft. They will all have the bendable hosel so if there is a specific lie and or face angle spec needed to go with the 8* loft, that’s eligible to be done.


  67. I would personally love to put a 919 in play, but I am not comfortable going to a 9* loft. I currently play a measured 7* head and still have to be conscious of not launching it too high. My AOA is +2.7*, club head speed is maxed out at 126 with a 45″ shaft, so a low loft club seems to line up well for me. I don’t honestly practice enough any more to rework my game, I would just like to enjoy it. Are there any of these heads that are available in lower lofts, even if they would be considered 2nds due to the fact that they are beyond tolerances? If I could get my hands on anything in the low 7* range, I would be happy to put it in play.

    • Darrin

      We can search through all the inventory of the 919-9 heads and find one that is at 8* loft, I am sure of that. Every single clubhead production factory on the planet manufactures heads for its industry customers with a tolerance of +/-1* for all specs. By hunting long enough in the inventory and doing measurements we would eventually be able to find one at 8*. But I am also sure from having done this through our Hand Select custom program that we won’t find anything lower than an 8* loft. I’ve just never seen anything outside that tolerance from our current factory vendor that makes the 919’s for us.


  68. I absolutely love how solid this driver is! I’m hitting it much straighter and slightly longer that any driver I’ve ever hit. Thanks Tom! One question on tee height though, I’ve read a lot about the sweet spot being located in different places depending on the brand of driver. I’ve yet to determine the best tee height for this driver, could you help me with this?

    • DAN

      Thanks very much for taking the time to visit and to share your experience with the new driver. We’re very pleased to hear that it’s performing well for you and helping you to enjoy this great game a little more! As with the vast majority of titanium driver head models today, the actual Center of Gravity point on the face is @ 1/4″ directly above the very geometric center of the face. Driver CG’s are never dead center in the middle of the face because the traditional shape and size of driver heads is such that there is always a little more mass on the top half of the head than on the lower half of the head. Hence the CG is pulled slightly more vertical than the center of the face. As such teeing the ball up so no more than half of the ball’s diameter sits above the top edge of the face tends to be about right – but then too, it can be a little different for each golfer depending on how close they swing the sole of the head to the ground during the swing. At any rate if you make contact at this point 1/4″ directly above the center of the face, that is going to be the area for highest ball speed.

      Thanks again,

  69. Tom – The combination of your great design and a great clubfitter (Blair Golfworks in Simpsonville, SC) resulted in a driver that is so long and forgiving that it almost feels like cheating.

    • Steve:

      That’s really GREAT to hear that you are pleased with the new driver!!! And a big reason for that is because Patrick is a very good clubfitter who really does know what he is doing. Thanks for taking the time to let us all know about your experience and may you continue to enjoy the new driver for a very long time into the future !!!


  70. I purchased the 919 THI 3 years ago and i am pleased with how accurate it is, I hit on average 10 out of 14 fairways at my club where the majority are quiet narrow, I decided to dig out my old driver a ping G 10 and try it at the driving range perhaps get more distance, however nearly all my shots were slicing so put it down and got out the 919 all shots were straight down the middle. Ditched the ping and have now arranged a fitting for a new 919 old one a bit scratched and showing signs of wear

    • VINCE

      Thanks so much for taking the time to let us know how the older 919THI has been “behaving” for you! And nice also to hear that it “beat off the competition” to stay in your bag! When you go get fit for the new 919THI, just be sure to urge the clubfitter to do his best on fitting you with the correct face angle, loft and length especially to go with your best fitting needs for the other specs too.

      Thanks much!!

  71. I have a Driver 919 THI 15°5 and I find 9 ou of 10 fairways with a total average distance of 177 yards. My swing speed is around 78 mph and my angle of attack is around +2°. I am very confident and pleased with it.
    Could I get extra distance, for example +15 yards, in summer, with a 13° or less ?

      Thanks for letting us know that you are pleased with the performance of the 919 with the 15.5* higher launch loft. That’s great to hear. IT is true that when fairway conditions become more firm, dry and conducive to more roll, going with less loft such as the 13* can offer a little more total overall distance by giving up some carry distance to lower the angle of descent of the ball to the fairway and bring about more roll after landing.


  72. Reading this thread I realise how lucky I am that I have a complete set of Wishon Clubs 919THI driver, 2 929 fairways, 775 hybrid and 6 765 irons.

    The only stranger is a 2 hybrid Cleveland .

    I have lost the Wishon medallion of of the 775 hybrid but that apart but am delighted with the set and can’t claim distance increase but everything now stays nearer to fairway than before.

    Thanks Tom for an excellent product and good customer service response when I had issues with driver some months ago

    Best regards


    • HARRY

      Many thanks for your support in having been fit with a set of our designs. We’re very pleased to hear that you are happy with the clubs and that you have gained more control from the fitting. On that matter of the little medallion on the hybrid, if you send us an email referencing your need for a medallion and letting us know your address, we will be happy to mail one to you for replacement. They’re easy to re install so you can get that weight bore cavity covered up like it should be.

      THanks much,

  73. Hi Tom
    I’ve just posted a very long review of the 560MC’s and feel that I have to be fair and comment on the 919THI driver too.
    I bought this driver, also from Ronnie Barnett, at the same time as I bought the 560’s. I was never a great driver of the ball and needed to change something.
    The main difference was that we agreed upon a shorter shaft – 43.75” – and obviously the 919 head was different. I initially went for a 10 degree (stamped 9 but picked at 10).
    I really liked the driver, but sometimes found that I couldn’t launch it high enough. Fortunately, one of my playing partners plays a similar game to me but launches it higher. I sold him the driver and got Ronnie to make me an 11 deg with the other specs the same. 1 degree might seem like nothing but it definitely made all the difference.
    My driving is now a real strength. I’m 48 and have had two back surgeries, so don’t have the ideal attributes for long driving. But with the 919 I can get it out there over 230m (250 yards) and that is considering that our fairways here are always watered so offer no roll. I can’t help at laugh at the other players who spend bucket loads on the next big thing, when I know that my 919 beats theirs hands down. I can even prove it.
    A few months ago I was fortunate to be invited to a golf trip at Fancourt, South Africa’s top course. On the final hole on the last day, when the competition was over, one of my opponents hit a poor drive (I think he was playing a Titleist or Taylor Made). He and his partner had a quick discussion about shaft flex not being right or something, and his partner told the guy to try his Ping G20. So he hits an even worse drive.
    So now I step up and say “Hit this one. Trust me.” He reluctantly tees up another ball, then hits a perfect 5 yard draw right down the middle, way further than any drive I had seen him hit. Next thing he is asking for my email address and wanting to know the specs etc. I sent him the details, although I am not sure if he ever followed up. If he didn’t, then more the fool him.
    In conclusion, this driver is the best I have ever hit. Unfussy, no gimmicks (unless you count the white version ), but long and very, very forgiving. I won’t be changing my driver in a hurry. Another great job Tom.

    • FRAZER:

      WOW. What a great and an interesting comment and experience that you are so kind to share with us here! Fancourt eh? That’s a huge WOW because while I have never been down there, I am well aware of it from the past President’s Cup played there and know it is a great track. Good for you that you had the chance to go and play there. Wow. But let me say that it is really great to have the chance to hear of your experiences with the 919THI driver that Ronnie fit and built for you. Your descriptions of the performance that you (and the other guy in SA!) have had with the club are much, much more than the proverbial “music to my ears”. I am so fortunate to have been able to be a club designer for my entire career, but I am even MORE fortunate and thankful to be able to hear of the experiences that you are having with the driver. Thanks so much for taking the time to share this with us and the VERY best wishes to you in this great game!!

      TOM :>)

  74. Hi Tom,

    Yes it’s exactly like that, due to the fact that I unhinge a bit early, the shorter length results in a longer drive. In addition, I believe I will hit the club more in the center because it’s just easier having a shorter shaft.

    Can you explain actually the purpose of the small metal plate with the “TW” at the lower side of the driver ? I guess it’s there to balance the weight and swing-weight overall depending on shaft ?

    And the black square plates that are framed in red at the bottom and rear side of the driver I assume are mainly for decoration or do they serve any technical purpose like channeling airflow like ‘Turbulators’ ?


    • Michael:

      There is absolutely no question from our work and from hearing from hundreds of clubmakers that the VAST majority of golfers would hit the driver more consistently and for many of them, longer, with a shift to a driver length much shorter than what the big companies set up as their standard driver lengths today. I am accused of being too critical of the big companies’ various spec changes over the years by some out there, but there is no question that this matter of going to 45-46″ drivers and such low lofts on iron sets isn’t helping the average players play to the best of their ability.

      In fielding your questions about the features on the sole of the 919THI, as a long time industry veteran in head design and in observing the marketing claims of companies for their models, I complement you on the clever “Turbulator” word you came up with!! You just proved that you have the imagination to work well within a golf company’s marketing department!!

      All kidding aside, these features you see on the sole are not anything super special. The TW logo medallion on the toe of the sole is simply a cosmetic feature to put something at the top of the sole to balance the cosmetics of the center of the sole. At one time, I tried to put a second weight bore on the sole that was going to be under that medallion so clubmakers could have a second place in addition to the hosel weight bore to add weight as needed to achieve proper weight fitting parameters for a golfer. But testing of the prototypes with the second weight bore proved that they changed the sound of impact too much to a point I did not like. So we dropped the weight bore on the sole but left the recessed oval to simply hold a cosmetic medallion.

      As far as the raised islands at the rear of the sole, they do comprise a little more weight back there to add to the MOI of the head. But this is a slight increase in MOI only and the bulk of the off center hit forgiveness of the 919 comes from the variable thickness face and not the little bit higher MOI.

      Thanks so much for your interest!!

  75. I was fitted to the 919THI two weeks ago in three stages being able to re-use the shaft that I purchased just 3 months ago (Fujikura fuel S). Got the 11* closed model bent a little to close it even more for now. In addition cut down to 44 inches, during the process we realized this increases the swing speed (105mph). I still slice occasionally, however, now on average the ball goes further and especially straighter. I feel also more confident now off the tee having exactly the right driver, it doesn’t get better.

    • Michael
      Many thanks for taking the time to “stop in” and share your experience with the 919 driver in your fitting. It’s great to hear that the length reduction actually increased your clubhead speed. Too many golfers believe wrongly that in all cases, the longer the length, the higher will be the clubhead speed and from it an increase in distance. So many times a longer length can actually cause a golfer to unhinge his release too soon. Max clubhead speed for every golfer occurs right when the release happens. So if the longer length causes the release to happen earlier in the downswing than preferred, the clubhead reaches its max speed too soon so by the time the club gets to impact it is slowing down. Conversely for some golfers, going shorter allows them to hold that release a little later which then can result in a higher speed at impact.

      Thanks so much for observing and reporting this speed increase so we could have a chance to explain to others who may be interested in going shorter with the driver but worried about their distance should they do so.


  76. best driver i have ever played. I used to change out drivers every two years – looking for magic. I am on my third year with this club and have no intention of changing. Tim Mosel did a great fitting job – and I have never been more consistent with a driver. the clean look and authoritative sound at impact are just added bonuses.

    • Michael:

      I’m so pleased to hear that you worked with Tim Mosel for your driver fitting needs. Tim really is without any BS involved, one of the very best clubfitters in the whole country and we’ve happily become quite used to hearing from golfers who work with him and walk away very pleased with the fitting results. Tim is a great example of what professional clubfitting can be and what it should be all about. Thanks for taking the time to let us know!!


  77. The best way to start is simply !WOW! I will do my best to keep it brief, but these components are fantastic. I recently went through an entire bag reconstruction. I went to Perfect Lies Golf for help and if you are within driving distance of Fred, you will not be disappointed – with the following caveat – be brutally honest about your game, be open minded to suggestions and allow the club find you. Once I did those thing and allowed Fred pair me with the 919 THI 11 degree head and the correct shaft for my swing characteristics – just WOW! I am guilty of being influenced by a major brand name. My ego dictated that I needed an extra stiff, heavy-weight shaft (80+ grams) with very little loft (8.58-9.5*) – the more the parts costs the better it was going to perform. It was the magic pill I’ve been waiting for. WRONG!!! The reality for me was a lighter shaft (62g), R-flex (4.8-5.2) and 11* TWGT 919THI head – a combination that out performs my old OEM driver significantly. I realized that placing a value on marketing over performance was mis-guided. I now hit straighter, farther (30+ yds) and with much better accuracy than ever before and it was worth every penny I spent. I don’t understand the technical side of why it works, nor do I care – it just does and it provides me the necessary confidence to pull it from my bag anytime I need it. Now I just laugh on the inside (as well as on the outside) when the rest of my foursome pulls out the latest $500 over-hyped driver and I smoke ’em with my 919THI. With that I say thank you Tom for making the quality components that you do. These components in the hands of the right fitter are magical. I can’t say it enough, but TWGT & Perfect Lies Golf in the Northeast (NY/NJ/CT/PA/MA) is a winning combination!

    Jeff M

    • I am considering going to Perfect Lies for a complete review of my set make up. I was wondering if you could give me an estimate of the costs

    • JAMES

      All of the clubmakers are independent businessmen. They are not formally tied to any supplier they may choose to purchase components and supplies from for their work. They set their own pricing for all of their services and custom fit clubs that they offer to golfers through their custom fitting process. So you need to talk to the clubfitter to find out the costs. But I can tell you that Fred Schaper at Perfect Lies is extremely good and very thorough in his work – I know him personally and we have gotten several very happy emails and calls from golfers who have worked with Fred for their fitting needs.

      Thanks very much,

  78. I have ordered a 919 THI 11º with a Prolaunch Red Stiff cutt to 44′! Tried a few shafts with a Clubmaker in Madrid (Spain) and turned out that this is the best configuration for me.

    The classic shape of the head is just beatifull and the forgiveness of the design is amazing, the best I have tried!

    • Thanks Luis, it really was a pleasure to correspond with you about your driver needs too !!!


  79. O I must have misread the spec sheet. Thanks so much thats awesome! I’ll see if I can find a clubfitter to make me one at that spec. I was wondering though. As golf clubs get longer the lie angle is supposed to progressively get flatter. It’s clear to see that with irons. But why is it that the lie angle of drivers today jump way up to 60* + for most manufacturers? My fairway woods all have flatter lie angles than the current drivers.
    Also I just want to say thank you. I haven’t been able to order any of your clubs yet because I don’t have a club fitter that carries your product anywhere close to me, but I have looked at all of your products and I think they are incredible. The adjustable hosel is absolutely brilliant. We go through custom fitting of our irons but it’s near impossible to custom fit a fairway wood/driver until you developed these products so thank you in advance!

  80. I have been looking for a few years now for a driver with an adjustable hosel. I play my irons 5* flat and am wondering if you have any driver that is capable of being adjusted to a 53-54* lie angle? I know the specs of the 919 say it could get to about a 56* lie angle.
    I’ve even considered purchasing the 929hs 2 wood and using it as my driver because it can get down to about a 53.5 degree lie. Ideally I would like to play a driver with a lie angle of about 51* but I figure that’s probably asking too much unless I wanna play an old persimmon.

    • Kourt
      Actually with the +/-4* capability of the hosel on the 919, we can get it to a 54* lie. it’s design spec is 58* so the -4 on that takes it down to 54*. And we have done that a number of times so it would not be any problem whatsoever to hit that lie.


  81. I had one fitted a few months ago and felt i had to comment because the head is awesome. I had a 9 degree fitted to a ust x flex. Had the fitter bend it to a 10 degree cause the ball flight was too low but still long. Miss hits still went far but dispersion was tighter. Length wise: won the longest drive 285 (meters in wet conditions) contest in a tourney a few weeks ago. It is very forgiving. But i have to admit, I did fit a balanced certified stabilizer to fight off my inherent slice. The 3rd driver I ever bought in my life and by far the longest. Previous driver was an old cleveland launcher 10.5 degrees. Get fitted to a right shaft and it’ll reward you tremendously.

    • NIK

      Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the 919THI driver and the work with your clubfitter to get the driver set up properly to fit you well. 285 METERS?? Yes, I would say that as you said in the last line of your message that you are being rewarded tremendously !!! HA!

      Thanks and the very best wishes to you in this great game!!


  82. Hello Tom,

    I have a driver (919 THI/11) and a Fairway wood 4 (925 THL/16,5).

    What are the most efficient tee hights for both?

  83. I’m truly enjoying the design and layout of your blog. It’s a very
    easy on the eyes which makes it much more pleasant for me to come here and
    visit more often. Did you hire out a designer
    to create your theme? Superb work!

    • Thanks very much for your comments and for your interest. We do most of our web work with a couple of guys who while consultants, are really more like being in house with us here.


  84. Can’t say enough just how nice these perform. I thought I tried just about all the current heads out there (OEM and components)but the 919 is just amazing in how nice and high it launches with very little spin. My most accurate build yet. I paired this with a Steelfiber SS75 shaft. Love the sound, feel, and performance. Am so I glad I decided to give this a try.
    I also notice that there is hardly any distance loss even when struck high and towards the toe.

  85. Wow, never thought I could be so consistent with a driver. 275-315+ yards straight or with a beautiful draw. Unbelievable control with the 919THI. I’ve had about 10 different name brand drivers in the past 2 years from the R11 to the Nike Covert, not one compares to Wishon’s driver. Solid club. Thanks again to Tom Wishon and Rick Musselman.

  86. I really like it when folks come together and share opinions.
    Great site, keep it up!

  87. is the919 conforming

    • Yes it is, and you can see all models of the 919THI listed on the conforming list that the USGA maintains on their website.


  88. Tom, I recently read your article on gaining more distance. The part on verticle roll was interesting. Why would one not want to design a smaller driver head, say in the high 300 cc’s, with less verticle roll? Like a large FW.

    • RAY

      It is true that the smaller the face height on the woodhead, the less roll is needed to cause proper ball flight performance for higher or lower face hits. With 400-460cc size drivers which have face heights typically of 50mm and taller, our testing has shown that with such a tall face height you do have to have some roll on the face. In other wrods, with taller face heights a vertically flat face won;t perform that well for higher face hits. The reason is because higher face hits also generate an action that is called the Vertical Gear Effect which in turn causes the spin rate for higher face hits to be less. With a tall vertically flat face what happens on the higher face hit is that the lower spin needs a little higher launch angle to keep the ball in the air long enough for proper carry distance. WIth a tall vertically flat face there is not enough loft up there at the top of the face to combine with this lower spin from the Vertical Gear Effeft to keep the ball in the air long enough for proper carry distance.

      But as face height gets smaller, you definitely can make the roll less and less curved because shorter face height woods do not generate anywhere near the reduced spin from a higher face hit. Hence I have designed our fairway woods and hybrid heads with very close to no roll (close to vertically flat) for quite a few years now and they perform very well for high, center and lower face hits.

      So when you talk about a smaller driver such as a 300cc volume, there would have to be some roll on the face for proper high face hit performance. But how much depends on exactly how tall the face height is on that 300cc driver.


  89. I’ve had my 919THI driver for about five months, and with it, I have played the best golf of my life. MY FW percentage has increased by 15 full points, and I have gained about 20 yards after pairing the head with the perfect shaft. All of my golf buddies are jealous of this beautiful club, and my word of mouth praise has help sell at least 5! Great job, TOM!

    • Evan

      15% more fairways and 20 more yards is great for us to hear and we can almost see your bigger smile between the lines of your message!! Thanks so much for letting us know and for being enthusiastic enough about the driver to talk it up among your friends!!

      Best wishes to you for even more enjoyment in this great game!!!


  90. Just received my 919THI yesterday,and I am amazed at the distance, and ball
    flight. I am 68 year old and the driver is 10.5 “draw bias’ 45 inches, AeroTech
    Powercoil 50. The club builder informed me he tip it just a little to a soft
    regular. swing weight is D4. The instructor liked to ball flight. and the loft 10.5.
    Thanks Tom for a great product.

    • Marion

      The thanks go to YOU for having made the decision to work with a clubmaker to be fit into the 919THI driver. In total honesty I can say I enjoy the part of my work that allows me to design clubheads and shafts, but it really can’t compare with how good I feel when I get the chance to hear that one of my designs is really bringing more enjoyment to a golfer. Thanks SO MUCH for taking your time to comment on this and we do wish you even more enjoyment in the future in this great game!!


  91. Hello Tom I am a new golfer I have your 919thi 10.5 driver and 14 and 18 woods. Can you give me a little information regarding the “draw bias”? As to what that means and what it is intended for. Thank you

    • ERIC:

      The term “draw bias” was coined to go with the version of the 919THI driver that I intended to be a fitting option for golfers with an outside in swing path who tend to slice the ball and want that misdirection flight tendency reduced so they can keep the ball more in play. So the 919THI Draw Bias is designed with an intentional closed face angle to reduce the slice by making the face angle so it points more to the left or draw side of the hole. Thanks very much for your question and your interest and I do hope that your clubs are treating you well and allowing you to enjoy this great game a little more!


    • Hello Tom. I am just following up with my comment two years ago. I am still improving and loving my Wishon Driver and woods. I am looking to upgrade to the new 919thi driver but I don’t see a draw bias option. Is the offset driver the same as the draw bias? Any help will be appreciated.

    • ERIC

      Offset can be a bit of a slice reduction in a driver/wood head, but we tend to prefer to address slice reduction (AKA draw bias) in a driver, wood, or hybrid by bending the face angle to be more closed. That’s why we developed the bendable hosel for the 919 drivers, 929/950 fwy woods and 775/335 hybrid heads in our line.


  92. Saw the 919THI Driver head at my clubfitter in Charlotte, NC., and read some great reviews. I will have John order the club head set up as open as possible. But my problem with many drivers is that they are too upright. That’s one of the reasons why I play Titliest, the lie can be adjusted. Can the 919 lie be flattened maybe 1+ degrees? Thks.

    • JOE

      Thanks very much for your interest. Yes, we recently re designed the hosel of the 919THI driver heads to make it so it can be adjusted to offer golfers a far wider range in both the lie and face angles. We can adjust the lie as much as +/-3* flat or up from the design lie spec, so if you actually need more than 1 flat, we can do that. And we can also adjust the face angle more open. Once John determines your best fitting specs, he can order the head from us and ask us to hit the lie and FA that best fits you.

      Again thanks, and the very best wishes to you in this great game!

  93. Anyone know where I can get a reasonable swing speed unit?


    email; stufftome @ gmail dot com

    • JOHN:

      WE do offer what in our opinion is the best low cost clubhead speed measurement unit. It is a small portable device that captures swing speed and swing tempo using a radar pulse, which is a reliable sensor source for such measurements. Look for the GOLFER’S STORE link at the top of the home page on our website. Click and then scroll down to see the listing for TECHNOLOGY ITEMS. click on that and the third product down is the portable clubhead speed/swing tempo measurement unit.


  94. I just got fit for a 919THI (White head, square face angle) and I simply cannot wait to get it! Tom, thanks for your assistance in recommending my fitter. I will sing your praises (and the praises of my fitter, Mike at Golf MD) until the day I die!!!

  95. I have a 919hl about 3 yrs old and have heard a lot of good things about it can you recomend a shaft for it. have3/4 swing about 90mpr
    hdcp is 6 thank you billy

    • Bill:

      As a 6 hdcp, we assume you would have a later to very late release, so for the 90mph clubhead speed with a later release, we would recommend the S2S Black 65 R flex. If you are also very strong and if you also have a very abrupt, strong, forceful tempo along with your 90mph clubhead speed and later release, we then would recommend the S2S Black R flex in the 85 gram version. Thanks very much and best wishes in this great game!!


  96. I’ve been fitting my customers with the 919 since they were introduced and I’ve been using one personally since then. With the selection of lofts and the hand pick options, I can fit everyone. I have not played or tested a better design…off centre hits don’t feel like mishits. also, the new cosmetics have huge eye appeal.

  97. This is the best driver head period ! I have played this head in my own driver for a few years and have not found anything (including the big names) that is as far or more accurate. When I put the 919THI in a client hand’s and they look at the distance, dispersion and feel that it produces, I usually get a “WOW” response.

  98. From a pure playing perspective, having tried many drivers, the 919 has been one of the most consistent drivers yet. Nothing but quality from all aspects.

  99. The hottest face, most consistent driver head available.PERIOD. I’ve been building 919’s for years now and have not had a customer yet who did’nt make substantial gains over there existing driver. I happen to work part time at a big box store doing the club repairs and I work with a lot of off the rack equipment. We use the same launch monitor at the store that I use at my shop and the 919 gets consistently higher power transfer ratios, sometimes to the tune of 15-18 m.p.h. of ball speed over a certain white headed driver. Then add in the hand pick to optimize launch angle and I’ve had customers report back 30 -50 yard gains. UNHEARD OF!!!!!!!

    • Curious to find out what shaft works well with Seniors.Tom has two choices that I like the White and the new gold. Any other ideas?

    • Roger:
      The S2S White certainly has been a very good selection for golfers with a midway release and average amount of force in their swing transition and tempo. With the White being available in A, R or S, it then can fit such a swing type with a swing speed from anywhere from 60 up to 100mph. But if the golfer has a more smooth, passive swing tempo with a little earlier than midway release, then the shaft of choice would be the S2S Green. Thanks and hope this helps!!


  100. As a clubfitter, I have fit more 919THI drivers than all others combined since it was first introduced. Properly fit this driver is Long AND accurate. Everyone I fit says it is the best performing and feeling driver they have hit.

  101. One of the best driver heads ever made. It may not be the best feeling/sounding or absolute longest, but it is so, so good in all aspects of performance that I still say it’s the best. Like most golfers I try new drivers all the time, but I always come back to my 11* 919 as it offers the best combination of forgiveness and distance that I’ve found.

  102. I’ve used the 919 for several years. Have tried others but always come back to the 9 degree. Dr. J

  103. Absolutely one of the best driver head on the market today! The 919 consistently attains a 1.49/1.50 smash factor when struck on center. This head should be on the Golf Digest Hot List for sure. Most common remark is how far and consistent they hit the ball, especially on off-center contact. Also many choices for loft and face angle. However, I would like to see a lower loft offered like 7.5 for the skilled, high swing speed golfer with an ascending angle of attack.

  104. No doubt the best driver head in golf today. This head out performs all other heads in launch monitor testing in dispersion, smash factor and distance. The most solid feeling driver I have ever hit. Off center hit hits are amazing, you think you have missed the shot and the ball ends up close to the same distance as an on center hit. Every driver fitting I’ve had this year has ended in the sale of a 919thi driver. The hand picking of loft and face angle at Wishon Golf has made my launch monitor fitting the best it could be. I feel this is Tom’s best driver head design so far.

  105. The best driver head available, period. Sounds great, looks great and nothing comes close to forgiving off-center hits more. Time and time again I hear from my customers that their drives are much more consistent and can‘t believe how long and straight their bad shots turn out. The combination of high MOI, variable thickness forged face and GRT roll really does works. Also very important is how perfect it sounds at impact. The combo of this head and custom fitting the whole club for customers and it‘s easy to have them hitting LONGER AND STRAIGHTER than with any of the big name brands.

  106. Excellet driver, best I have ever hit, solid feel and I like the GRT technology. Have alway had my personal driver and customers hand picked for loft, lie and face angle and they always come in right on request.

  107. Sinds de introductie van deze driver heb ik hem opgenomen in mijn collectie en met veel succes. Deze driver verkoop ik het meest en het commentaar van nagenoeg alle klanten is dat het de meest vergevingsgezinde driver is die ze ooit gehad hebben met daarnaast veel afstand. De 919 THI is, in de verschillende uitvoeringen een driver die bij elk type golfer past.

  108. The performance of this clubhead usually exceeds the OEM’s and is second to none in terms of performance.

  109. Excellent Driver. With the GRT I also find launch to be much more consistent than with OEM drivers where the loft varies significantly depending on how high on the face you hit the ball. Was previously using a TM driver with specified loft of 9.5 degrees. Of course actual loft was closer to 11 degrees at impact location. Swithed to a 919 THI in 11 degrees and find this perfect for me. Long and forgiving, very consistent. Very solid feel at impact.

  110. I love the GRT design of this head. It provides very consistent ball flights. Another noticeably feature of this head is that the dispersion is lower compared to off the rack club head i.e. Taylormade or Titliest.

    Last great thing is that there are so many choices of loft to choose to match individual skill which does not provide by off the rack brands which most of the time have only 9 and 11 degree

  111. happy to report as a geezer, won our Club Match play in 2011, with a White 919THI-11.5^; .5* open head, over 37 holes. Key to the win was hitting 85% of the fairways. Still have a client playing the original light blue 919 !…Great off center hit performance……solid sound…my go to head for performance….and hittability. Did I say great off center performance ??

  112. With out a doubt the best selling and perfoming head I have ever tested. Fitting and testing this head compared to other heads including OEM’s with few exceptions the customer will select this head. Sold a 919 11* with an S2S black 65 gram shaft today, customer has an 85 mph ss and still has a high ball flight with a baby draw, He is happy!

  113. I have played with my 919 ever since TWGT introduced to this great driver. At age 74 I have some limitations. However, consistent driving with confidence is not included. Thanks, Tom

  114. I have built 100+ drivers using this head design. I have had 1 returned, (I needed to give them a 13 deg instead of the 11 deg head they wanted). Most common remark is how far and consistent they hit the ball. The forgiveness built into this design is remarkable.

  115. Hands down the best driver head on the market today! I have played one myself since it came out. 28 of my last 30 driver fittings have involved the fit and purchase of a 919. The hidden “gem” of the design is it’s forgiveness with respect to ball speed (smash factor). Most drivers, when struck properly (on center) attain a reasonable ball speed/smash factor. The 919 consistently attains a 1.49/1.50 smash factor when struck on center. When struck slightly off center, compared to other OEMS/OEDS on the market, you can count on a 1.45 to 1.47 smash factors, even when mishit! Add the “hand pick” options offered by TWGT (loft, face angle, etc), after having launch monitor data properly analyzed by a qualified club fitter that knows how to interpret the data and you have purchased a driver that will be in your bag a long, long time!

  116. The 919 driver is the most consistant driver and most solid driver I have ever hit. I hit a lot of drivers in Demo days so I know what else is out there and there is nothing that I have ever hit that feels this solid.

  117. I am not a worker of the golf ball, but I love having people ask me if golf dosen’t get boring just hitting this 919 straight down the fairway. I just smile. Great club head.


    • Bob, I am thinking of doing the same as you did – mating the Aerotech with the 919 but I’m not sure about the shaft stiffness and its relation to driver swing speed. I see you used the regular shaft. What swing speed range do you recommend for this stiffness? What swing speed do you recommend for the stiff shaft?

      Thanks for your help.

  119. The 919 driver is the most consistent performer on our launch monitor testing. Consistently beating the likes of Taylormade, Callaway, Titleist, and Ping for total carry and total distance. The most amazing statistic though, is how accurate this driver performs. Golfers are missing out if they haven’t tried the 919 driver.
    This may be Tom’s greatest design!

  120. I have been playing the 919 with a Fujikura Blur 005 for about 2 years. Great combination for accuracy and distance. With so many lofts available, this is my “Go To” head when fitting my customers

  121. I have been using the 919 driver since its inception. I have found this driver out performs just about any clubhead that I have fit. I am amazed when I put OEM drivers up against this head, no comparison. Not only does the head perform well, it has a nice traditional shape which pleases the eye. I also am impressed with the new improvements in design. The cup face design and improved weld surfaces of the mating surfaces. I can tell you from personal experience that I have made a horrible swing at the ball and have watched club design and forgiveness take over. Thanks Tom for a GREAT design!

  122. La definición más apropiada es, una cabeza de driver facil y potente, hace mucha distancia pero sin coger efectos indeseados.

  123. The most consistently significant finding I’ve had when custom fitting this driver head to customers has been that they hit more fairways. They keep the ball in play.

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