S2S Black 65 & 85 Wood Shafts

 

S2S Black 65 &  85 Graphite Shafts for Woods

TWGT’s Graphite Design for Better Golfers 

 

Features:

  • Please scroll down to read comments about the S2S Black 65 and 85 wood shafts.
  • S2S Black Graphite Shafts are created with an improved, slightly stiffer tip bend profile design for golfers with Transition/Tempo/Release ratings from 2 to 3.
  • S2S Black 65 gram Wood Shafts are for golfers with more aggressive swing characteristics who have a Strength rating of 1.5 to 2, OR who may be stronger but simply prefer the lighter total weight feel from a 65g shaft weight.
  • S2S Black 85 gram wood shafts are for golfers with more aggressive swing characteristics who have a Strength rating of 2 to 2.5, OR who may be weaker but simply prefer the heavier total weight feel from an 85g shaft weight

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S2S Black 65 & 85 Wood Shafts, 4.4 out of 5 based on 49 ratings

22 Comments

  1. Hitting oban 75 gram 44″
    Dd Callaway, swing speed
    104-106, just bought epic head interested in 45.5 85 gram regular shaft.
    Im.74 6′ weigh 234.
    Old baseball tennis player & I understand elliptical pop, balance. Playing competitive carry 5.3 usga at sonterra in San Antonio. What you got, what do you think Sgeri@debsinsurance.com

    • Stephen

      What I have and what I think is that you should take the time to drive to Kerrville to be custom fit by Keith Chatham of Precision Fit Golf. Keith is without a doubt one of the 5 best clubfitters in the whole world, and I am not exaggerating when I say that. I’ve known him in this side of the golf business since the early 90s as I was the guy who got him started in his studies and training in the field. From there he has gone on to truly be one of the best there is. There is absolutely no question in my mind that if you took the time to drive the 50 miles or so from SA to Kerrville to work with him, you would walk away with the absolute best fit and best performing clubs you could ever hope to find for your game. His phone is 830-257-1234 and his email is pfg@omniglobal.net. And you can read and see a little about him and his work at http://www.precisionfit.com . Proper fitting has to be done in person because it involves an in depth analysis of you and your swing characteristics. I hope you can find the time to get up to Kerrville.

      Thanks very much for your interest,
      TOM

  2. Tom,

    I recently installed S2S White (stiff) hybrid shafts in my 775HS’s and they feel/perform great.

    I put an S2S White (stiff) 65g wood shaft in my driver and it feels a little “wobbly” at impact, for lack of a better term (i.e., it feels like I’m overpowering the shaft).

    I’m going to try the S2S Black 65g wood shaft next, but am undecided as to whether I should go with a regular or stiff. My swing speed with a driver is about 95 mph, with a generally smooth transition.

    Your thoughts?

    Ray

    • RAY

      What you are experiencing in the feel difference between the White wood and White hybrid shafts is due to the actual bending design difference between these two different shafts combined with the effect of the much greater length on the driver vs hybrid and how that tracks into your personal sense of bending feel of the shaft during the swing. Wood shafts, hybrid shafts and iron shafts are completely different animals in terms of how much they actually bend during a swing. When I design a family of shafts like the White in which there is a wood, a hybrid and an iron shaft, I tend to follow stiffness specs for each part of the shaft that allow the three shafts to “relate to each other” in terms of the bend profile. In this case, I wanted the White shafts to be a medium tip stiffness profile with butt to center stiffness that corresponded to data I have developed over the years for what I feel constitutes specific swing speed ranges for each letter flex. It’s tough to explain this in words without charts and graphs.

      Affecting this also is the fact that we as golfers can often times develop swing characteristics that cause us to swing our driver/woods/hybrids/irons with a different manner of bending force applied to the different lengths the shafts are in the different clubs. Couple that with the fact we golfers can have a very wide range of how we feel and react to the bending of the shaft and it is very common for a golfer to like a particular shaft in the irons but not the same model in the woods or hybrids, or vice versa. In fact it is somewhat rare to find a golfer who plays the same brand and model and flex of shaft in his driver, woods, hybrids and irons because of these differences.

      The term “wobbly” when used to describe shaft feel tends to mean the shaft is too flexible. In that sense, yes, it can be wise for you to try the Black because it is most certainly stiffer in the tip section than the White. With a generally smooth transition move and 95mph driver speed, I would say Black 65 in S flex and that most certainly should get rid of a wobbly feel in the driver. Shaft weight tends to correspond to tempo and strength – the more forceful the transition move, faster the tempo, the heavier the shaft OR swingweight can be. You could try the Black 65-S or you could tip an additional 1″ to 1.5″ from the White S wood shaft. You could do that add’l tipping first with the White shaft you have and just epoxy an extender into the butt to bring the length back to where you want it after the additional tip trim and re installation. That would be less expensive as a starting point than to go out and buy a whole new shaft. And if after the tipping, extending of the White S you find that is not right, then you always can go to the Black 65 S.

      TOM

  3. Tom I thought it time for an update on the Black 85 gram X shaft. I started first with the 85 gram x flex tipped about an inch( for a young guy with hopes of the Nationwide Tour ) in the 919 Fairway driver 14 degrees and that worked out extremely well. So I first had the Graphite Design BB X flex 75 gram version, but he wanted to try the 85 gram X Flex that you had and so we put the 85 gram x flex not tipped into the M 1 driver 440 cc and installed it with the spine at 12 O’clock position. This was a superb choice ( so I am setting with an extra Graphite Design BB X stiff( it launched at 14.5 degrees with a spin rate of 2100 swing speed stayed or may have went down to 121, but here is the interesting stat ball speed went up to near 185 from to a plus 190 and the dispersion went down and the carry from 305 to nearly 315 yards with overall distance 330 to 340 yards. Oh how I could wish for that, but the two things he had to say was he finally felt he could swing the club and not be afraid he was going to have a two way miss. He talked about how tight the shots were and I piped in you mean the dispersion and he said the ball flight it isn’t ballooning. I first started him at just shy of 45 inches for a finished length and against my better judgement he talked me into just shy of 46 inches and when I swing weighted this monster I said what I am I doing. D-7, but he was at this local driving range and the end of the range with range balls is 310 yards and he was air mailing a good share of them. So I was wrong he can handle the extra length and weight and it smoothed out his transition. So he wants one of the 919 hand picked and selected with this shaft. So Tom do you take trades for Graphite Design shafts? (LOL) Thanks for the extra shaft just kidding, but what a joy to see his confidence and how he trusts his swing. He also has the Sterling set 6- gap wedge with X-100 shafts. Once again Thanks Tom

    • ROGER

      My pleasure and I am happy to hear that the fitting work has been successful !! So many times these things take some time to cover all the bases, but it sounds like this was done very well from the results ! And no, I kind of have a real aversion to these high dollar shafts in the industry these days so I am the wrong guy to ask about a trade in for a high dollar shaft ! But Ebay can be your very best friend when it comes to that !!

      TOM ;>)

  4. Can one demo/get fitted for a s2s black or red shaft in a 2016 taylormade m2 head?

    • Kevin

      All of my graphite shaft designs for woods are made with a 0.335″ parallel tip diameter. I don’t pay any attention to any other companies’ clubs so I cannot tell you what the tip diameter of the shafts that Taylor Made uses for its M2 series of drivers. Some companies stay with the 0.335″ standard while others opt for a 0.350″ tip diameter on their stock shafts to make it more difficult to change the shaft and get rid of the marketing of their standard shafts in their clubs. Your best bet would be to contact a clubmaker who does club repair and re shafting work to ask as I am sure most clubmakers would have done some re shaft work on an M2 driver for other golfers. Hope this helps,
      TOM

    • Hi Tom,
      Which of your driver/wood shafts is the most similar to the aldila nv 65 regular flex?
      Thanks

    • Kevin, the Black 65-R would be very similar in bend profile to the NV 65 R. Both have the same butt stiffness and the same tip stiffness and they weigh the same. Only tiny little difference is that the center section of the NV is a tiny bit stiffer than the center section of the Black 65 R. But it should not be enough to make any difference.

      TOM

    • If the NV 65 R flex feels smooth, do you think your Black 65-S would be OK or may feel “boardy”?

    • For any shaft to feel “boardy” compared to another shaft, it has to have a stiffer butt section, a stiffer tip section, or both together in comparison to the other shaft. Rarely would you find a shaft to feel boardy if it is the same butt and same tip stiffness but stiffer in the center section of the shaft. This is because the butt stiffness comes into play when we start the downswing and the tip stiffness reacts to when the golfer releases the wrist hinge angle on the downswing. There is no one specific swing motion that corresponds to the center section of the shaft as it blends more with the butt stiffness in its effect on shaft bending during the swing.
      TOM

  5. Hi Tom,
    Been reading about your sterlings for the last couple months and I am going to take the plunge. Have a fitting set up with Jeff at Accufit Golf in Colorado Springs. Already hit his demos and all I can say is WOW. I love them. Anyways, my current irons have SteelFiber i95 in reg which I love. Which one of your shafts would most match??? Thanks.

    • Kevin

      Good to hear that you like the test sessions with the Sterling irons and are going in to be fit for a set. Our S2S Black 85 would be the closest shaft we have to the bend profile design of the SteelFiber iron shafts because they also are designed with a firm tip section. However, the i95 is 10 grams heavier than the Black 85. While that is not a lot in terms of the final effect on the total weight of the irons, it is a difference in total weight that some very feel sensitive players would note.

  6. Just got done fitting a customer into a Black 85 X Stiff with his driver. Previously he could not get a good drive with any of the other shafts we tried. Now, he has increased distance by at least 30-yards and they are dead straight. He has a very forceful transition and is more of a hitter than a swinger, so this worked a bit better for him than the Red shaft. He could not be happier with the added 20 grams of weight and with only a 85-90 mph swing speed never even considered the X Stiff shaft. Always a pleasure when we can fit our customers and see such a simple change make such a huge difference! Thanks Tom for the great and affordable shaft designs!

  7. Hi Tom:

    Hoping you can provide a recommendation. Collin Callahan fit me with the S2S 65g Black shafts in a 7, 4, and 2 wood. I use the S2S 85g black shafts in my irons. The iron have been excellent btw…I need to see Collin regarding the 4 iron as I am having trouble finding the sweet spot.

    My PGA professional is Matthew Lodwick at Inverness in Denver and I have now had two sessions with him. Per his advice, I have reverted back to my old KZG 3 wood shafted with w Fujikura Motore F3 80g shaft. Unlike the S2s, the Fujikura launches the ball high – not too high – using my normal swing. I am constantly fighting with the S2s 65g’s unable to get them in the air – not without significant modification to my swing, which Matt views as unwise.

    I am going to revisit the situation with Collin, but wondering if you have any advice on a higher launching shaft in the Wishon line-up that would be help me produce better results?

    I realize it is difficult to analyze without seeing me in person, but I hope this information proves useful.

    Thanks,

    George

    • GEORGE:

      It is customary in the custom clubfitting business that when the clubs are not quite right or not quite to the golfer’s final satisfaction, the golfer should go back to talk to the clubfitter to explain the matter so the clubfitter can adjust, change or tweak the clubs to get them so the golfer is happy with the final work. Talk to Colin, show him what you are talking about with the shot height difference between the clubs, and he should be able to work with you to get you into perhaps a softer tip shaft for your swing to help get the ball up a little more. Of our shafts, you may want to ask him to let you try one of the S2S WHITE graphite shafts as it is designed with a softer tip section than the Black.

      TOM

  8. I recently went to club-builder Bill Weitzel for a wood-shaft fitting. After a few hours on his launch monitor, we discarded all the very costly shafts I brought with me to analyze; the dispersion of the best of the lot being about 20 yards. After trying a few shafts Bill suggested, the shaft I ended up with was the Wishon S2S Black 85. Longer than any of my shafts and my dispersion on a half dozen 295+ yard drives with the S2S was 3.5 yards! Thank you Tom Wishon! Thank you Bill!

  9. Over the last year I have replaced the stock shaft in my Taylormade R1 driver with an Aerotech Claymore and then an Aerotech Steelfiber. About two weeks ago I installed an S2S Black shaft in the club. In the past I hit the driver well but was never really positive where the club would be at impact. With the Black shaft those fears are gone and I can now swing freely with true confidence that the clubhead will be there at impact. I am hitting an average of two additional fairways per round but more importantly my distance has increased by an average of more than ten yards when in the fairway. Love the feel of the Black shaft in my driver as well as my fairway woods. It is so much fun to see your golf buddies wonder what happened when all of a sudden you are out driving them or putting the ball up near the green on long par 5s without fear. Thank you Tom.

    • Gary
      That’s great to hear that you like the performance of the S2S Black shafts in your driver. Most people tend to think of us first as a clubhead design company but we really feel that our shaft R&D capability is as good as there is – heavily so because from all of our fitting research we really do understand how the different moves of the golf swing relate to and affect shaft stiffness design and performance. We’ve really worked hard to understand all of this and then we have that information to use when we design our shafts. In the end, we feel it works very well and so we are very pleased to hear it has made a visible difference for you!!

      Thanks again!
      TOM

    • We’re you fitted for the s2s black shaft?

  10. Het S2S shaft systeem van Wishon is uniek en zeer doordacht. Het systeem is zo opgezet dat er voor elke golfer een passende shaft beschikbaar is welke past bij de individuele eigenschappen van elke golfer. Verder maakt het eenvoudige selectie systeem op de Wishon website het mogelijk om de juiste shaft voor alle clubs in de tas te vinden.

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