775HS HYBRID IRONS

A Unique Hybrid Design with Thin Face, High COR Performance and a Unique Soft Stainless Steel Hosel for a Wide Range of Lie and Face Angle Fitting Options

Features:

  • Thin, High COR, High Strength HS350 Steel Alloy Face offers higher ball speed for more distance in a hybrid head design.  Few companies can offer a high COR design in a hybrid

  • Unique 304 Stainless Steel Hosel allows for much greater ease in bending lie and face angle to broaden custom fitting options (+/-4°)

  • Split Level, Narrowed Sole Width to reduce sole to turf contact for more solid shotmaking from fairway or rough conditions

  • 775HS Face Progression is in between that of an Iron and Fairway Wood to enable golfers to play the 775HS with the same ball position and swing motion as an iron of the same loft

  • Available in RH in #2, 3, 4, 5, 6,  LH in #3

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Bobby Marson

I am building a set of 575mmc irons with the PCF Micro Pro wedges. The FC 80 Steel Fiber .370 shafts tipping chart recommends that the PW be tipped at 4 7/8 ” I believe, But no tipping for the 52,56 60 wedges. Could you please advise me on how much the wedges should be tipped?

Bobby
I have never seen a situation where the gap wedge, sand wedge and lob wedge tip trims for a shaft are zero when the PW is more normal at 4+ inches. Only if the shafts for the wedges were specifically DIFFERENT and made ONLY for the wedges would that possibly be true. 99% of the time all the wedges for the same shaft would be tip trimmed the same. Best to double check with the maker of the shafts to get this clarified before you start cutting.
TOM

Bill Ramos

I have a set of these hybrids. I remember back in the day that you could tip a wood steel shaft to match the irons. I currently play Nippon 950GH S and would like to put the same shaft in them. Any ideas to tip these to match my irons.

BILL: As long as the tip diameter of the wood shaft matched the bore diameter of the hybrid it is possible to use a wood shaft in a hybrid. Now that being said, it is no small challenge to try to figure out how much to tip the wood shaft because factors like the shafts actual stiffness progression and tip parallel length come into the picture to cloud things. In the end it really is much better to find a hybrid shaft that fits your swing than to be working in the clouds trying to guess how to trim a… Read more »

Peter

Hi Tom,
I currently play the Sterling Irons including the Sterling 5h.
I’m thinking of having some 775’s built as single length clubs at 39.5 or 40 inches in length.
My swing speed with my irons is approximately 80-85 mph.
If I have the 4h 775 built to this length is it likely to generate more distance than the Sterling 5h.
Would I have enough swing speed to generate good distance with the 2/3 775h at this length.

Tom Wishon

Peter: There is a custom clubmaker in Canada who has done very well making a single length hybrid set from the 775 hybrid heads. The fact that the heads have two weight bores helps tremendously for achieving matched swingweights when the hybrids are all made to one length. He tells us he has good success with this. There is absolutely no question that a 775-4 hybrid made to 39, 39.5, 40 inches would hit the ball longer than the Sterling #5 hybrid. The reason is because of the big length difference between 39-40 and back down to the 36.5 or… Read more »

Bobby Marson

Good Morning Mr. Wishon
I applied for a account with Diamond Golf about a month ago. Mr. Gale left me a message on my cell phone regarding my application indicating that I was accepted and a Mr. Jason Nichols would be contacting me with more information. I have left emails and a couple of phone calls letting them no that no one has gotten back to me. If there is anything you can do to complete my process I would appreciate it. Thank you

Tom Wishon

BOBBY
I asked Jason to respond and I see that he did that within 2 minutes of my asking. So I trust this is being taken care of and I do thank you very much for both your interest in us and in your taking the time to contact us when you did not hear back sooner. Sorry about that and the guys will learn from this for the future.
Thanks again and the very best to you in this great game,
TOM

William payne

Hi my Three and four 775 Hs face is peeling? No one seems to be able to help.Spoke to a very nice person on telephone from England.Have not been able to get back.Just want to see how I can go about replacing the heads.Would also like to order five and six hybrid.thank you.willie

Tom Wishon

Mr. Payne: Call Diamond Golf at 1-844-552-3437 and ask for a customer service agent named Alison. Tell her I told you to call her to report this plating defect on one of the 775HS heads and let her take it from there. Please understand that they can only credit or replace heads for the clubmaker that ordered the heads. So if you are the golfer who bought the club from a clubmaker, then you need to take the club to the clubmaker and have him contact Alison to do the replacement. She can probably also help you with the other… Read more »

Kourt

Hey Tom
The specs on the hybrids say the offset is from 16 mm to 20 mm. Is this accurate? I thought these had slight onset if anything.
Also have you seen in your fitting experience where players using an offset iron model fade the ball more than one with minimal offset, and if so, what could be the cause?

Tom Wishon

KOURT
Measurements like that at 16-20mm are FACE PROGRESSION measurements, not offset. To get the offset from an FP measurement is FP minus 1/2 of the hosel OD. In the case of most hybrids, it won’t be actual negative offset as you get with real irons. It will still be a positive offset with the leading edge out there a little in front of the forward wall of the hosel.
TOM

Kevin B

Hi Tom, Been playing your Sterling irons the last year and I haven’t golfed better. Thinking about adding a 775HS to go above my Sterling 5 hybrid. Shafts in my Sterlings are the S2S Superlight Steel at 37″. Would you recommend this same shaft for the 775, or a different one? Reading these posts, it looks like you recommend a starting length of 2″ more than the Sterlings…so I should be looking at 39″, correct? I like hybrids better than woods…so how would a 2 and a 3 hybrid both at 39″ sound? My SS is right around 80 –… Read more »

Tom Wishon

KEVIN since the hybrid(s) would be made longer than the single length irons, you would not be compelled to use the same iron shaft in the hybrids. I do not intend to set up any such guideline of +2″ longer than the irons for the hybrids. Much of that has to do with the golfer’s clubhead speed and swing skills – mainly meaning that going too long is not good for anyone. And with your speed you have enough to make the hybrids work well distance wise at less than a 39″ length. You’ll want to be sure the distance… Read more »

Kevin

Well, Tom, you did it again. Perfect suggestion! I went with the Hybrid white shaft to 38.5 inches, since I choke down a little. Perfect distance from my sterling 5 iron/hybrid, 12 – 15 yards. So, if I were to go to a 2 hybrid, trying to get another 12 – 15 yards gap…would you suggest to lengthen shaft to 38.75 – 39???

Tom Wishon

KEVIN
Very glad to hear the recommendation worked out. It helps to have been to a few rodeos in my LONG life in golf equipment technology when it comes to sensing what to recommend for golfers !! For the #2 hybrid, if you find that you are hitting the 38.5″ hybrid plenty high, then you can go with 39.25″ at 3* lower loft than the 38.5″ hybrid.
TOM

Luis

Hi Tom:
In order to have a 4hybrid for mi set of Sterlings, would it be possible to bend de 3 775 Hybrid:
– Loft: close it to 20
– Lie: from 59 to 63 (as 4* are the maximum you recommend)
– Cut the shaft to 37 inches
– Put some weight on the hosel weight bore and the sole weight bore
By doing this, I should have the perfect 4 Hybrid for my set make up.
What do you think?
Is this advisable?
Best,
Luis

Tom Wishon

Luis We do not bend hybrids, fairway woods or drivers for loft changes. The bendable hosel on these types of clubhead models in our product line is used to change the Lie Angle or the Face Angle or both. It’s complicated to explain, but bending a hybrid/wood/driver head is totally different than bending an iron in terms of what spec gets changed when you bend the hosel either forward or back in relation to the face. In an iron, we golfers are always taught to position and HOLD the clubhead so the leading edge and face are square to the… Read more »

Luis

Dear Tom:
I am considering buying a set of sterling irons and I am would like to know how short would it be possible to cut the shaft of the 775 HS hybrid.
I am not sure I am buying the iron 4 from the Sterling but in any case I will need an hybrid. I would like them to be as short as possible.
Assuming this: what would be the minimum shaft lenght for a hybrid 4/3/2?
In addition, how would you do the set regarding sterlings and 775 HS?
Thank you very much in advance and best regards.

Tom Wishon

Luis As a word of caution and advice, to be able to hit the Sterling #4 iron high enough to carry farther than the #5 iron or #5 hybrid, a golfer needs to have a clubhead speed of not less than 85mph with his present 7 iron. At clubhead speeds below 85mph, the shorter single length of 36.5 or 37″ will not generate enough ball speed and backspin with the #4 iron loft of 19* to enable the shot to get high enough to fly and carry farther than the 5 iron. If you were to use the model 775HS… Read more »

Lee Fisher

Hi Tom, The more I become familiar with your designs and ‘design firsts,’ the more I think you should be in the World Golf Hall of Fame. While some of your designs seem timeless, I look forward to seeing what you come up with next, now that you are unencumbered with daily business management. Also, thanks for sharing your insights. I feel greatly indebted, and have learnt so much based on all of what you’ve shared over the years. So, a question for you now on reaming the hosel of the 775HS hybrids to be able accept a .370 iron… Read more »

Tom Wishon

LEE Many thanks for your nice comment about my work. Much appreciated although I think the WGHF focuses on players and not industry folks !! But the kind thought is appreciated for sure ! First off you need one of these – https://www.golfworks.com/reaming-and-boring-vise/p/RBV/ And then you should have a decent drill press that is capable of changing speeds. For reaming hosels you want to be running the reamers at low speeds like 350 rpms. I have always used custom made drilling reamers made by a specialty machine shop that I found online years ago. Kind of expensive and I need… Read more »

Lee Fisher

Hi Tom,
With the upcoming release of the Spiralock fitting system, wanted to ask a follow-up question on the 775HS and reaming / bore size.
Will the hosel of the 775HS be able to handle the extra bore size needed to accomodate the .370 compression fitting and retain structural integrity?
Thanks,
Lee

Tom Wishon

LEE the new shaft connector coming out soon is not Spiralock – that was the old one we did several years ago. The new one is SHAFTLOCK. And yes, the 775HS can handle it because the hosel OD for the 775 is 13.2mm which is the exact same OD spec as all of my iron models. The other hybrid that is new for 2018, is the one to avoid for trying to use a 0.370 Shaftlock fitting. It’s designed with a 12.3mm hosel OD, the same as all my fairway wood heads. The 318RS is designed so it could be… Read more »

Ji

Tom,
I’m still playing the 21 and 24.5 degree 915F/Hs from 2011. Everything else in my bag has changed except putter since this purchase.
I would like to ditch my 28 degree 6 iron and would like to add another hybrid now but 915s are discontinued.
Do you have any suggestions on 775HS specs so that it would play similarly to my current set-up?
The weight of the 775HS look quite heavier than its counterpart in 915s for example.
Thanks,
Ji

Tom Wishon

JI I am too playing the old F/H 21 and 24.5 as hybrids in my own personal play set because I REALLY like them and always have. I think they are one of the definite SLEEPERS among my past models. There was never an F/H with a loft higher than the 24.5 so even if they were still around, there would be no option there for a 28* head. The spec loft of the 775 #5 is 27 and as is the case with EVERY clubhead model from EVERY golf company, the head will have a +/-1* tolerance. So you… Read more »

Thanks!

The fairway woods are unreal. I have a 7 wood, which is reaching about the same as my 4 iron. However, the launch angle and ball flight are way different. I am hitting my 7 wood almost 190 yards and 119 feet in the air, according to Track-man. On the golf course I can hit a 185-190 shot and the ball will stop 5-6 feet after it hits the green. Unbelievable results! I have a hard time hitting irons and hybrids this high but can really launch the woods. I have since put a 9 wood in my bag and… Read more »

Tom Wishon

Many thanks for taking the time to let us know how well the new clubs are performing for you !! That’s music to my ears as the designer !! Some years back I did an 11 wood as part of a fairway wood set and it unfortunately died a very quick death from an utter and complete lack of demand. In truth, even the 9 wood heads I do in some of the sets do not sell enough to really merit the cost of tooling and inventory but I do the 9w’s anyway just because I know they are most… Read more »

Gregory Mirray

Tom,
I can’t find these for my club maker. Any suggestions for customers in the states?
Greg

Tom Wishon

GREGORY On October 1, I retired and handed over my entire product line to Diamond Golf International from England to distribute to clubmakers world wide. Diamond has set up extremely attractive shipping deals for the US and Canadian clubmakers so they can continue to buy all of my designs for their clubmaking work with no real cost increases over what they paid to have them shipped from my former company in the US. Clubmakers can contact Diamond Golf in the UK by a USA toll free phone at 1-844-552-3437 or by email at contact@wishongolf.com to get anything from them that… Read more »

Philip Miller

Hello Tom!
Now that you have only one hybrid in your current models, do you plan to offer the 775HS in additional lofts for lefties?

Tom Wishon

PHILIP: Thanks so much for your interest. Now that Diamond Golf International LTd has taken over the sales and distribution of my product line and models, I have to watch and see whether most of the clubmakers continue to purchase my models for their clubfitting work before I can make more decisions for what new things to work on or do for the product line. That will take most of this year to observe the support that Diamond has in taking over my line. If that support is steady and does not drop from what it was when I had… Read more »

Mikko

I have a peculiar question for you!
I’ve been hitting a 775HS 21* and 929HS 18*. I’m sure that they are fine heads but here’s the thing: I keep closing the faces of them both and hitting them left and low. Even when just holding the club I feel like I should turn the face a little bit closed. It looks horrible and I know it’s going left but it feels good in my hands.
So, what in a head design could make me want to do this? I don’t get it!

Tom Wishon

MIKKO
I am sorry but I have no idea what it is that could make you psychologically want to turn the face closed on the clubs. I’ve never heard that before in 31 yrs of designing clubheads. What you might want to try is to install a RIBBED grip on the clubs so when you grip the club and feel the rib set into your hands, the face is then square. With a ribbed grip you are far less disposed to turning the grip in your hands to change the face angle.
TOM

Mikko

Thanks Tom,
I’ll just say that I may have figured it out.
I had some lead tape down the underside of the shaft (out of sight) to bring the weight of the shafts closer to the weight of my longer shafts. For the sake of symmetry I suppose, not for any pressing reason.
I stripped the tape and, although I haven’t hit them since, I can now hold and waggle the clubs without turning the face angle closed. It’s a lot better.
Still don’t really understand it but we’ll see if I can now swing them like any other club. 😉

ROGER HUSTON

I finally put together a 775 hybrid 6 iron with 4 gram hosel weight and 4 gram toe weight. I recently added the 9 wood in the 950 model and pretty much weighted it the same. I am pleasantly surprised at how easy these clubs are to hit. I assembled both of these with the White shaft in the regular flex. I will be replacing my 4 wood and 7 wood with the 950. I am pretty sure the old fairway woods I am currently playing were designed by Tom when he was with another company. I love the traditional… Read more »

Tom,
Would there be any difference (carry distance, total distance, trajectory) between a 929 HS 5 wood (18 degrees) and a 775 HS 2 hybrid (18 degrees) if the shafts in each club were identical? My current set has no fairway woods and three hybrids, but I’ve read that if you have a sweeping motion with your long clubs the fairway wood would be the way to go. Thanks.

Tom Wishon

BILL: It can be different for different golfers mainly based on their clubhead speed and their angle of attack into the ball. In general, the higher the clubhead speed of the golfer, the more chance that both of these clubs would hit the ball about the same distance, as long as they are the same length with the same total weight and swingweight. But as clubhead speed drops and gets below 90-95mph, then it can be possible for the lower and more rear center of gravity position in the 929HS wood to bring about a higher launch angle which could… Read more »

Jerry

Tom: I have a question regarding the 335 vs the 775 hybrid heads. Which one of these would be better for the person with a slow swing speed? I have played several rounds now with the 735cl clubs (5, 6/7 and 8/9) that Ray Richards put together for me and I really like them with the Ruby lite shafts. What drew me to these is the fact that the lie angles could be changed as my existing hybrids in those higher lofts were too upright. In fact Ray flatter the lie 2 degrees for me and now I am hitting… Read more »

Tom Wishon

Jerry No, there would not be a big difference between the 335HL and 775HS for a player with a 55-65mph swing speed. Perhaps the high COR design of the 775 face might be worth 3-4 yards, but not more than that I would not think. The 775 hosel is actually easier to bend than either the 335 or 730 hosel, if there were more of a bend required on the lower loft hybrids for whatever possible reason. You still might think about the fwy woods because our 929HS model has the same very bendable hosel and can be adjusted to… Read more »

Ray

Tom,
I’m considering replacing my iron-length 915 F/H’s (21 and 24 degrees hand-picked) with the 775 H/S’s (same lengths and shafts).
Will I have to adjust the lofts on the 775’s (weaker) because of the hotter faces (to maintain proper distance gaps)?
All things being equal, will the 775 launch the ball higher than the 915 F/H?
Thanks
Ray

Tom Wishon

RAY
If your clubhead speed with the 21/24 clubs in the 915F/H is above 85mph approaching 90mph, then most likely you would want to have 1* more loft in the 775HS heads than what you have in the F/H to equalize the distances for where they are at now with the F/H’s. Shot height should not really change – I personally know this since I still play a 915 F/H 21 and 24 in my own personal set as my 3 and 4 hybrid clubs !!
TOM

Ray Casey

Tom, Just wanted to compliment you on this fine design. As stated previously in a separate communication, aesthetics are very important to me. Specifically, the any hint of offset and the shot is headed left before I start the backswing! You’ve designed a club with no visible offset, which blends so easily with my non-offset irons. I’ve paired the 21-, 24-, and 28-degree 775HS hybrids (all hand-picked with square face angles) with the S2S White hybrid shafts and couldn’t be happier. The sole design also allows me to take less loft out of bermuda rough lies where the ball has… Read more »

Tom Wishon

RAY
Thanks so much for taking the time to stop by and let us know how well the 775’s are behaving for you! It’s interesting that you mention the old 919F/H’s – in my own bag I still have my favorite old 919F/H 25* which I built and use as a 4 hybrid, but then I do have the 775-3 for my #3 hybrid. best of all worlds on that I suppose !! Thanks so much again and the very best to you in this great game,
TOM

Craig

Tom,
You had mentioned the 785HF and how sales didn’t do well in the 7-8-9.
I was thinking more like some hybrid wedges. Do you think the mid handicappers would benefit from such a club? I have a 60 d. wedge and I sometimes, hit it fat, thin, or shank it to the right.
There is a company that makes a hybrid wedge in 50-55-60. Would you reason the same that it isn’t business wise to make that type of club, flor your lineup, because there is not enough interest?
Thank you,
Craig

Tom Wishon

CRAIG if the unit sales history of the model 785 #7, 8, 9, PW are still an indication of market acceptance or rejection, I can tell you that as the loft increased the demand decreased further. So while the #7 had less than the necessary demand to keep it in the line, the 8 was worse than the 7, the 9 worse than the 8 and the PW worst of all. Meaning that the market then just did not see a hybrid type of short iron and wedge as being viable. Possibly what could help golfers like you could be… Read more »

Adam

Hi Tom, I’m a lefty and I’m getting fitted for your clubs with a fitter from your site. As a lefty (and I know you’re well aware of this) I’m going to be limited in the hybrids and the wedges. I realize you have a 3 & 4 hybrid in the 335HL line but it’s likely I will balloon these (but you would know better than me) and will probably do better with the 775HS. Is there any chance of seeing a 4 hybrid in this line? This is not a criticism, but I was surprised to see there was… Read more »

Tom Wishon

ADAM First thing I need to do is to apologize to you for our inability to offer everything I design in left hand. It’s that horrible, but inevitable “8% rule” that whacks us down in this regard. Long story short, we have to be really careful to offer the models in left hand that have the most popularity so the expenses for tooling dies and minimum production quantities don’t become a financial burden. I hate it, I wish clubheads could have evolved to be like bats and rackets, but it didn’t happen that way. As such it means a small… Read more »

Adam

Hi Tom, Thanks for the fast and helpful response. Please don;t apologize for not offering clubs in lefty. I completely understand the situation you’re in. There are quite a few models that even the “big guys” don’t offer in lefty. So no apology necessary. Great news regarding the hybrid and the wedge. I don’t know what the actual loft is on my current 4 hybrid, but if it’s as marked (22*) then I’ll be closing the gap since my Mizuno 5-iron is 1 degree weaker (27*) than the 771CSI. Fantastic news on the AW. Now I can get Wishon all… Read more »

Tom Wishon

ADAM Thanks much. On the lofts of the 9, wedges question, the 771-9 is 42*, the 771-PW is 46* so that is a normal 4* increment as per what most sets use. The reason I set the loft of the PCF gap wedge at 52 was strictly from tradition as per how lofts are typically done in a standalone wedge family which is what the PCF and HM series wedge designs are. When a gap wedge is a part of an iron set, then the loft of the gap wedge is typically lower, at 50* most often for us. But… Read more »

Adam

Hah, I just looked again and it must have been my poor eyesite. I thought the PW in the 771 was 48*, not 46*. That makes more sense. But good to know about the gap wedge lofts. I also realize most of the clubs, especially wedges will be bent 1 or 2 degrees.
I’m assuming when you bend a wedge, it also effects the bounce of the club. Does this make much of a difference? Do some people have a custom grind put on them? That’s my last question, I promise.
Thanks

Tom Wishon

ADAM: Yes, there is a definite 1:1 relationship between loft and sole angle. For each 1* you bend the loft lower, the bounce sole angle decreases by 1* – and vice versa when you bend loft higher for each 1*, the bounce increases by 1*. It cannot be any different. A 2* change in sole angle is virtually not noticeable to 98% of all golfers. Only when you start getting into 3* or more do more golfers pick up on that in the form of a difference in the feel of the travel of the sole through the ground or… Read more »

Adam

Thanks Tom,
I’m pretty sure I fall deep within the 98% that won’t notice a difference.
I appreciate the info.

Fred

Another great Wishon design. I put the 4 hybrid into play this spring and am amazed at just how great this club is. Easy to hit off of tight fairway lies and also out of the rough. Tom, you will appreciate this. I got a hole in one with it last week. 176 yd par three. As soon as I hit it I knew it was good. It landed about 8 feet short and released and ran up and went in….It did cost me a few bucks for the bar tab, but dedinitely worth it. Kudos on a great design.… Read more »

Tom Wishon

FRED:
How great is that !!!! Thanks so much for sharing your experience(s) with the most recent ACE and how well you like the 775. It’s really nice as the “father” (ha!) to hear that two of my “kids” have behaved so well for you to dive in the hole for a couple of “ones” !! That really makes me feel good !
Thanks so much for the support and the kind comments!!
TOM

Craig Labistre

Tom, Would you ever consider designing and building an entire set of the 775 HS, all the way down to a 60 degree hybrid wedge? I agree with whomever said that these hybrids, “Were the best thing since sliced bread!” They are so effortless to hit, and even if one mishits the ball, they still get considerable distance. When Gene from ADS Golf in San Marcos, CA first built my set, I really didn’t like the 775 HS 4 Hybrid, because I was trying to sweep it, more like a wood. But once I realized that I had to strike… Read more »

Tom Wishon

CRAIG I’d love to but I am afraid that a past experience in designing a full set of #2 – PW hybrids in a high COR face design probably stands as a learning experience that I have to remember and take lessons from. The forerunner to the 775HS was a model I did some years back called the 785HF. It too was a thin face, high COR design and I did the design in a full set from #2 to PW. After 2 yrs in the product line, it was very, very obvious that the sales of the #7, 8,… Read more »

Luis

Dear Tom, I have a set of 560MC from 5 to P and also have two 775HS hybrids: a 4 and a 3. The hybrids length are exactly the same that the 4 and 3 irons would have. My current bag configuration is the following: Driver, Mini driver, H3, H4, irons from 5 to P, 52, 56, 60 and putter. I hit the hybrids much better than my 5 iron so I am considering to replace the 5 iron with another 775HS hybrid and also considering to include a 2 hybrid (18º) in my bag. What do you think about… Read more »

Hi Tom I have ordered a driver 919THI, a 3 wood 929 HS and a 775 HS #2 Hybrid. My club maker is fitting them with Accra CS1 Shaft M4. It is the first time that I have had an experience with club fitting and i must say it is truly awesome. When they introduced me to your driver and woods, I couldn’t wait to have them hence I made a decision to get them asap. My delivery only happens this Thursday the 9th April 2015. I am looking forward to using these beauties and talking to friends about them.… Read more »

Tom Wishon

SOLLY
Thanks so very much for taking your time to come to our website and to share your experience and interest with us. We truly do appreciate that and we are so pleased to hear that you did decide to work with a good clubfitter for your equipment needs. It is also a big thrill to think that you will be enjoying this great game in South Africa with our custom fit clubs. We’re honored that you chose to play with our designs and we wish you all the best!
TOM

Paul

Excellent Hybrid. Custom fit by Tom is very good for me. Also make a very fine club for pitching with around the green.

Tom Wishon

Many thanks Paul for your kind comments about the irons, fwy wood and hybrids in your separate comment posts !!!
TOM