S2S BLACK & WHITE
GRAPHITE HYBRID SHAFTS
Wishon Golf’s 0.335″ Tip Tour Weight Hybrid Shaft for Golfers with Better Swing Characteristics
Features:
- Wishon Golf pioneered the use of a smaller, 0.335″ tip construction to create hybrid shafts which offer as much as +4° higher launch angle over conventional 0.370″ hybrid shafts.
- S2S Black is a heavier weight (95-100g) hybrid shaft for players who prefer the weight of steel in their conventional irons.
- S2S Black hybrid design is created for golfers with an average to stronger Transition, average to faster Tempo, and a later to very late Release.
- S2S Black hybrid shafts are available in R and S flexes for all hybrid heads with a 0.335″ bore.
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Tom, as with many shafts, I am in between your regular and stiff for the black hybrid. My swing is medium in almost every way. Medium speed, tempo, launch. And generally use shafts that are neither too active nor too stiff toward the tip. Would you expect better results with a regular that is tipped a little or a stiff either straight in or maybe soft stepped? I’ve only used 370 hybrid shafts in the past. The weight and profile of your s2s black hybrid is appealing. Any insight appreciated.
JOHN Ever since I started to dig deeply into shaft stiffness design and shaft fitting, I have always felt that it was better for a golfer to err on the side of a little more flexibility than a little too stiff. The only exceptions to this that I have come up with are, 1) players with a very abrupt, sudden, forceful, transition move to start the downswing, who then really accelerate the club to impact. Think John Rahm type transition from back to down. 2) Players who for whatever reason and regardless of handicap, have somehow developed a very refined… Read more »
Tom, thanks for your thoughts. Appreciate your insight on feel vs performance.
Cheers, John
I like the weight and profile of the Black Tour Wt hybrids. Can I use these in my irons with a shim?
BOB In thinking about that since it has not been done, I do think that is possible, given the bend profile measurements for the hybrid vs what is typical for irons. Yes the irons have more head weight than a hybrid but you’ll be tipping the shafts more for the iron heads that are heavier than the hybrids. The only real thing to be very careful about is the shimming since the hybrid shafts are 0.35″ smaller in diam than the hosel of an iron. That is a lot to shim up in a shaft and it can be very… Read more »
Hi Tom, I am looking to extend my EQ1-NX hybrid by 1/2″. Golfworks sells a universal shaft extender that says it will fit 0.540 to 0.590 inside diameter. My hybrid is currently built at 37.5″. Do you know if the diameter of my S2S BLACK hybrid shaft will fit the extender?
Sean
The INSIDE diameter of the butt end of the S2S Black hybrid shaft is 0.465″. I know of no shafts made today that could have an INSIDE diameter of 0.540 to 0.590. They must be talking about the OUTSIDE diameter of shafts. Hope this helps,
TOM
Hi Tom, Quick question re: tip trimming: I’ve read here that tip trim is based on final length. I’ve also read your feelings about hybrid length: you advocate hybrids to match the length of the iron they’re replacing, rather than longer (like most in the industry). Am I correct in this assumption: The hybrid #’s on the trim chart correspond to building them to equivalent standard iron length. Ie: The trim for a 5H (1.5″) is intended for a 38″ club 3H at 39″ etc. If I wanted to build a hybrid at 38.5″ long I would use the 4H… Read more »
ART Yes, you are right. Tip trims are normally based on the final length in comparison to what is considered a standard length for the club. Changes in the final length from that may (or may not) require you to slightly alter the tip trim. The old rule of thumb for this has been to increase tip trim by 1/2″ for each full inch the club is made longer than its basic standard length, and to decrease tip trim by 1/2″ for each full inch the club is made shorter than its primary standard length. This is all based on… Read more »
Tom,
I play the S2S Black hybrid shaft in R and a Black Wood shaft at 40″ in R flex in your 4W. I hit both of them consistently and really like the feel and results. I’m 55 and Play off a 5 hc. I am now wanting to shaft a 3W at 43 or 43.5″ long. Would a R still be correct on the slightly longer Black shaft, or would I want to move to a S in the Black shaft?
I play a VA Composite Drago S shaft in my driver.
KEN While you did not specify, I assume that you used the normal 1.5″ 4w tip trim on the Black R wood shaft in the 40″ #4 wood you use and hit to your satisfaction. I also have to assume that you built the short 4w to a normal swingweight but since this length is 2.5″ shorter than what is considered “standard” for a 4w, that assumption about the swingweight may not be correct. Being able to get that much weight into a wood head to make up for the assembled club being that much shorter than normal would be… Read more »
Tom, I’m planing to use a White R Hybrid shaft with one of your new 5H EQ-1 heads. I have a question about the trim charts. With the 5H EQ-1 being heavier than your 775hs 5H, how much would you recommend to tip the shaft for a 38-38.5″lg finished Club. I’m experimenting with the gapping between a 6I EQ-1 ( to be built to 37″ with a White R shaft 7I tip trim) iron and the 5 Hybrid so trying for a reasonably close feel,performance,and distance gap. I realize these are two different clubs but you’ve mentioned Set makeup and… Read more »
JW I would still use the same tip trim of 1.5″ for the #5 at 38-38.5″ . . . unless you have a much above average downswing transition force and very aggressive tempo on the downswing. In that case I would go 2.5″ tip trim. But for more normal swing tempos down to smooth, stay with the 1.5″. Even though the spec head weight is a little heavier on the EQ1-5 than a previous hybrid like the 775-5, with the 775 you would have had to add weight to the head when using the White or any other graphite close… Read more »
Thanks Tom,
That’s the way I had planned but never a bad Idea to check with the Master Himself!
The Best
JW
Where can you buy Wishon white s2s hybrid golf shafts
David
If you are a clubmaker you can buy any of the Wishon Golf design products from Diamond Golf International. Contact can be made via sales@wishongolf.com. If you are not a clubmaker Diamond will not be able to supply you as they are a strict wholesaler of my designs to custom clubmakers. In such a case if you wanted one of the shafts you would need to contact a custom clubmaker to provide it to you.
TOM
Contemplating moving to graphite in my irons and will be building a test club with the s2s red and s2s black … Wondering what yours/others experience has been using the black hybrid as an iron shaft. The black iron shaft just won’t have enough heft for me. Is there enough PTS to trim for a wedge. TIA
CHAD I am sorry to say I’ve never experimented with the Black hybrid shaft in an iron(s). But with the measurements of the bend profile of each of these shafts it is a little more possible to predict what would happen. You may not be familiar with our bend profile measurement data that was the core of the former Shaft Bend Profile software. We take frequency measurements every 5″ up the shafts from 11″ up from the tip to 36″ up from the tip on all iron and hybrid shafts. With these emprical measurements we can do apples to apples… Read more »
Thanks Tom….I am familiar with the bend profile data…..would there be enough PTS in the Black Hybrid to go past the max trim listed in chart E (2.5″)?
Sorry Chad I spaced your question about the PTS. The PTS is 6″ on the hybrid shaft so you have plenty of tip to trim for iron installation.
TOM
Hey there TOM, how are you? I was hoping to get your feedback on using the Black Hybrid shaft. I am planning on putting it into a 775HS #2 head. I am going as short as possible, to be the next step from my Sterlings, but with my (very) jumbo grips that’ll have me around 39.5-39.75″ to get around a preferable ‘D’ swingweight. With my added weight (27-29g, depending on epoxy), would I be okay with tip trimming a stiff flex 1.5″? My driver swingspeed is around 110-112, if that helps. I might get an extra shaft and test it… Read more »
JAKE You did not say how much your preferred very jumbo grips weigh but if they are up there in the range of 70-80g or more, you probably won’t be able to get a D range swingweight with the 775-2 at 39.5-39.75″. By my calculations, using the 100g weight of the Black hybrid shaft with a normal 232g head weight for the 775-2 at 39.5-39.75″ and estimating for both a 70 and 80 gram grip, with a 9 gram weight in the weight bore and a 9 gram weight in the sole weight bore, with the 70g grip you may… Read more »
THANK YOU for your reply TOM. When I had submitted my question through the form on this page, it didn’t act like other pages I’ve used on your site… so I didn’t know my question made it to you. I’m glad that it reached you! My grips, usually including some build-up wraps, are typically in the 95-100g range. The calculations I use must be off. I entered in 232g (head), 18g (2x weight bores), 9g (tip weight) and added 1g for epoxy/ferrule. With the S2S Black Hybrid shaft (100g) and a total length of 39.5″ I was getting just over… Read more »
JAKE This is the comments section of the site. It’s not the same as a forum. So when comments are posted they have to be approved before they show up and before you would be notified. It’s just that way as part of the site software I guess so people can’t just post trash or spam about something. On that club you made that is 40.25″ with your 95g grip and 119g shaft, if you added a 9g hosel weight to the 232g head weight, you would be at around C9 swingweight. If the shaft happened to be tip heavy… Read more »
THANK YOU TOM! I greatly appreciate your feedback and support. I may just use the S2S Black Hybrid shaft for the 775HS #2, for now anyway. I am SO looking forward to putting your 775HS hybrid design to use. I have been wanting a #2 for some time now, to come between the Sterling Irons and my fairway woods. I appreciate your suggestions as I believe as long as I end up with (close to) a D swingweight that I can make it work for me. It maybe slightly lighter than I am use to but that shouldn’t be a… Read more »
I have a question regarding the coiled shim. How does this fit into .370 hybrid heads? And how does this affect or change the flight of the ball? Or is this a seamless transition that won’t have any affect? I have read how the different sizes can hinder results. Any help as always will be appreciated. I am still improving and averaging under 100 now
ERIC There are two ways clubmakers install the coiled shim to be able to install a 0.335 shaft into a 0.370 bore. Some like to install the shim in the hosel first, then install the shaft into the hosel with the shim in place with a slow rotating motion on the shaft as it is inserted. Others like to put the shim on the shaft first, then install the shaft with the shim in the hosel also with a rotating motion. Takes a little practice either way. Absolutely no effect whatsoever on performance or ball flight because all you are… Read more »